It is honestly sad and just pathetic that people are so blindly devoted to apple that the believe things like this. Wanting not to have access to menus (done in flash) or activity websites (done in flash) etc. while traveling because jobs is butt hurt at adobe is just retarded, however some people enjoy that.
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It is honestly sad and just pathetic that people are so blindly devoted to apple that the believe things like this. Wanting not to have access to menus (done in flash) or activity websites (done in flash) etc. while traveling because jobs is butt hurt at adobe is just retarded, however some people enjoy that.
You can do that based on 1 article by 1 unknown magazine that contradicts what every user has been saying about it for the time since the first Beta has been available ?
I think you're the one who'll get laughed at when Apple finally says "We think Adobe have done some great work in these past months and we now feel confident Flash will be a great addition to iOS and it will co-exist with our HTML5 support until developers decide to move on. We believe in choice and today Apple gives it to you".
Yes, I really doubt that it's true that many flash docs require keyboard input. That's just a myth. The tests are scewed.
We'll see what happens
You see, friend. This is the difference between Apple and pretty much everyone else. Till this day, the original iPhone scrolling is better than 99.9% of android phones out there. It is smoother, and the physics behaves much much better. Something about scrolling on other phones just doesn't feel right.
Some companies are okay with an "acceptable" experience. Apple on the other hand, wants it perfect. If it can't run perfectly on the iPhone, then it shouldn't be there. Simple.
Windows is dominant in the desktop world. In the mobile realm Apple has a strong enough position to sway developers away from Flash. It's up to Adobe to make Flash viable again
Fortunately, there is some good news in the form of HTML 5. This new version of HTML (the basic language used to write webpages) introduces a video element.
This will allow people to write their websites specifying the appearance of videos in a standard way. How the individual browsers choose to implement the playback is then up to them - whether they handle movies themselves or farm them out to embedded/external players is a decision made by the viewer, not forced back onto the content creator. The even better news is that support for this is already arriving - Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and Safari have already rolled out HTML 5 support and other browsers won’t be far behind.
h.264 is only royalty free till 2015, vp8 is royalty free from what i understand unless the mpeg-lg steps in and attaches a patent to it and charge a royalty fee to it,
What is clear though, is that we need a baseline to work from - one standard format that (if all else fails) everything can fall back to. This doesn’t need to be the most complex format, or the most advertised format, or even the format with the most companies involved in its creation. All it needs to do is to be available, everywhere. The codec in the frame for this is Ogg Theora, a spin off of the VP3 codec released into the wild by On2 a couple of years ago. It scores quite well on both the quality and compression fronts, standing up respectably against it’s more popular rivals such as MPEG4, while actually being much simpler to decode. The overwhelming feature that makes it stand out from its rivals is the fact it’s free. Really free. Not just “free to use in decoders," or “free to use if you agree to this complicated license agreement," but really, honestly, genuinely, 100% free. The specification for the stream and encoder/decoder source is available for public download and can be freely used/modified by anyone. Theora was designed and is maintained with the overriding goal of avoiding patents. No other codec can come even close to claiming to be as patent or royalty free as Theora can, whilst still holding a candle to the alternatives.
iZac--You're saying that a solution to buggy, poop-ish software is just to make bigger, faster processors? Shame. No matter what processor you have, Flash will still continue its Safari crashing anyway. I have 2.33GHz under the hood of my iMac and Flash crashes Safari all the time. I installed Click2Flash to get rid of that stupid plugin unless I need it for a page (flash only loads if you click it).
Windows is dominant in the desktop world. In the mobile realm Apple has a strong enough position to sway developers away from Flash. It's up to Adobe to make Flash viable again
If this story was about how flash ran poorly on an iPhone the positive/negative would be flip-flopped.
I think this sentence condenses what a lot of the anti-Flash zealots feel. Apple denied you an experience (which by the way is entirely optional, non-instrusive, and non-battery draining on devices that can handle Flash media), and you're grateful to them
Correction. Apple didn't deny any experience to me. I don't HAVE an iOS device. My phone is a $9.99 after mail-in rebate AT&T flip phone.
And the reason Apple denies Flash is also for those lesser-minded users. I can see 90% of iPhone users installing Flash, crashing their phones, and saying the iPhone crashes a lot. Plus, if Apple pushes Adobe to make Flash better, they can put it on the iPhone. If they just put it on right now, Adobe won't do anything. Flash is worthless on mobile devices currently.
I didn't want to say it. But here goes.
Flash is the laziest way to build a website. Nothing screams "hey we hired a 'web designer' for cheap" than a business that has a flash website.
Flash was this way long before there was an iPhone.
Everyone says we're fanboys and we suffer for not having flash.
The fact is, I wouldn't dream of calling it "suffering."
Up till now, the battle between Flash and HTML5 video has centered around the H.264 codec, which is gaining broad adoption. Apple supports H.264 in all of its devices such as iPads and iPhones, and it is one of the technical reasons Steve Jobs cites for why there is less and less need to support Flash. H.264 is a modern codec, fast and light. It’s great except for one thing. It is owned by the MPEG-LA consortium, which doesn’t charge royalties for its use today, but currently plans to start enforcing royalties in 2015. The royalty threat is the reason Mozilla supports an older open codex called Ogg Theora in Firefox instead of H.264.
Doesn't really make a difference considering Google operates Youtube. Whatever codec they choose will turn into the standard.
Doesn't really make a difference considering Google operates Youtube. Whatever codec they choose will turn into the standard.
Thank you so much, I was trying to explain to my friend what irony was and used your post as the most perfect example in history.
Seriously, you should consult a doctor. It's not funny anymore. Way too much Apple Kool-Aid...
And this is where you should stop reading when it comes to Theora. Being 'close' to MPEG-4 wouldn't be good enough 3 years ago, let alone now or in the future. And it isn't free from potential patent troubles. Why risk it for an inferior result?
H.264 is the codec.
No, it won't. Google is not all-powerful, and they cannot (nor should they) protect hardware manufacturers from patent claims (legitimate or not) if they deploy risky IP. Just because Google wants something doesn't mean anyone is obliged to give in to their demands.
HTML5 actually has nothing to do with video other than that HTML5 defines a standard way to embed video in a web page, using a <video> element.
I agree that this is Apple's goal. Yet, they fail quite often. Look at iOS 4 performance problems on iPhone 3G.
My iPod Touch 2nd gen stutters a little when scrolling websites, too. The HTC Desire form a friend of mine scrolls pretty fluid even on Android 2.1. I think the 1 GHz generation phones don't really have a problem with that anymore. And who cares, really
As logical arguments go, the classic "kool-aid" bit is nothing more than a cop-out.
Okay I started drinking Apple Kool-Aid 2 years before buying Mac while using Windows. Cheers.
So you agree that Flash is not even dead but was dead long ago? The insanity has no limits. Java could be called dead as a Web Plug-In on the consumer side, but Flash? Yeah, right....
Funny how so many people buy into Apple PR. If "Apple wants it perfect" why the gaming experience on OS X sucks so much? Or printing experience? Or enterprise experience?
Žalgiris;10898296 said:
Is it their right to dictate to me what i should be able to do? Apple should allow a click to flash for those who want it. However choice or freedom are words not found in the apple dictionary.