Flash Player Performance on Droid 2 Found to Be Hit-or-Miss at Best

[DylanLikesPorn]

Yes but people like you and you yourself keep posting this on every article. Macrumors doesn't even look at this unless someone gets reported. If you want to complain write to MacRumors.

You are just spamming. It's like when I post a Youtube video about chess, people comment "Dude who cares about chess" after watching the video.

don't lump me in with 'other people' i've only criticized two or three articles in the last 30 stories. dude chill, i'm just venting at these irrelevant stories that do nothing but inflame members. people here are interested in mac products foremost, they are not going to switch to droid because it runs flash better or worse. MR is beating a dead horse.

 

[nutritious]

I wish flash would hurry up and go away. I hate flash only sites or sites with flash. It's annoying.

 

[blackpond]

Why all the talk about if this story is a good MR story or not?

Better than "Apple Releases Mac OSX Developer Build 10.6.5.21.6.0.3 build 3 Correcting Two Spelling Errors" to hold us over for the WHOLE weekend.

 

[southernpaws]

So you agree that Flash is not even dead but was dead long ago? The insanity has no limits. Java could be called dead as a Web Plug-In on the consumer side, but Flash? Yeah, right....

No, it sucked long ago. It's dying now.

But that is much closer to a logical argument than weak "Kool-aid" insults.

 

[southernpaws]

I definitely do not. Why should I even care? I'll just buy the phone/device that provides the best internet experience. Apple zealots on the other hand is a different story. They are ready to suffer but stick with Apple products even when they suck

Again. Millions of iPhone users choose to "suffer" without Flash for the simple reason that Flash is not that important.

Beyond that. I don't suffer. I hate Flash websites, I hate flash ads. I'm signed onto the Youtube HTML5 beta (and have the youtube player on my iphone) To have them keep flash off my phone is convenient more often than not.

 

[jsf8x]

I know this is about Droid 2.. but flash works TERRIBLY on my original Droid

 

[faroZ06]

Again. Millions of iPhone users choose to "suffer" without Flash for the simple reason that Flash is not that important.

Beyond that. I don't suffer. I hate Flash websites, I hate flash ads. I'm signed onto the Youtube HTML5 beta (and have the youtube player on my iphone) To have them keep flash off my phone is convenient more often than not.

Yeah, what happens when you're browsing on your Droid and WHAMMO! 10 Flash ads. It'll lag like crazy! I'd suffer WITH Flash! Long live Click2Flash!!!

Why all the talk about if this story is a good MR story or not?

Better than "Apple Releases Mac OSX Developer Build 10.6.5.21.6.0.3 build 3 Correcting Two Spelling Errors" to hold us over for the WHOLE weekend.

Agreed. I hate those things telling me about Snow Leopard updates with spelling errors and other junk.

 

[Windmill360]

Anyone know the time frame of having a fully functional internet on ipad/ipod touch with HTML5? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? When is it supposed to take over and replace Flash?

Thanks.

 

[LagunaSol]

Anyone know the time frame of having a fully functional internet on ipad/ipod touch with HTML5? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? When is it supposed to take over and replace Flash?

"Supposed to?" No such thing. But the sooner people start putting Flash in their rearview mirrors the quicker HTML5 development and adoption will occur.

 

[Windmill360]

ah ok... it just seems like apple has inferred that HTML5 is 'the new way' but I see no signs of progress.

 

[LagunaSol]

ah ok... it just seems like apple has inferred that HTML5 is 'the new way' but I see no signs of progress.

Actually, there's been a lot of news recently about sites creating alternative HTML5 video and I've seen some impressive HTML5 demos showing off various animation capabilities. There are definitely signs of progress, and the chatter about HTML5 has increased markedly since Jobs made Apple's "no to the proprietary Flash Web" position clear.

And how could there not be increased chatter (and accelerated progress) when the primary mobile device driver right now is pushing everyone (some kicking and screaming) to a new open standard?

 

[NT1440]

ah ok... it just seems like apple has inferred that HTML5 is 'the new way' but I see no signs of progress.

Maybe you should open your damn eyes then.

 

[southernpaws]

Anyone know the time frame of having a fully functional internet on ipad/ipod touch with HTML5? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? When is it supposed to take over and replace Flash?

Thanks.

3 years.

7 months, 13 days, 4 hours and 23 minutes.

 

[Windmill360]

3 years.

7 months, 13 days, 4 hours and 23 minutes.

This is probably closer to the truth. In the mean time, there will be many new tablets available in the coming months that offer the full web.

 

[Windmill360]

Actually, there's been a lot of news recently about sites creating alternative HTML5 video and I've seen some impressive HTML5 demos showing off various animation capabilities. There are definitely signs of progress, and the chatter about HTML5 has increased markedly since Jobs made Apple's "no to the proprietary Flash Web" position clear.

And how could there not be increased chatter (and accelerated progress) when the primary mobile device driver right now is pushing everyone (some kicking and screaming) to a new open standard?

maybe some progress... but there's no rush.

 

[southernpaws]

This is probably closer to the truth. In the mean time, there will be many new tablets available in the coming months that offer the full web.

Sounds good. Look forward to hearing from you in three years

 

[Žalgiris]

This is probably closer to the truth. In the mean time, there will be many new tablets available in the coming months that offer the full web.

New standards and technologies do not happen in one day. Start adapting now and you will win in the long run, drag dying technology some more and you will be left in the past along with it.

 

[sndcj1]

Why is that? This number tells are two stories:

1. How reliable PCs are. Vista was released in 2006 so we have a lot of PCs that are more than 4 years old but still run strong. I am not sure Macs have the same claim.
2. Most of the PCs still running Windows XP are enterprise PCs. Big companies can not witch OSes as fast as consumers do because they have huge application base that requires a lot of time to port to new OS.

I don't think you can claim that because you could order a pc with vista 4 years ago that has anything to do with what people actually ordered. I can STILL go to Dell and configure a pc w/xp as the os, and this is a year after 7 was released. No claim of dependancy can be made with that information.

I'd also disagree with the lack of adoption by corporations. It has less to do with program compatibility and more with human compatibility and infrastructure costs. You've spent time and money creating a secure, reliable system that everyone is familiar with, why switch if Microsoft is willing to extend support for years to come? Smaller businesses will HAVE to start adopting 7 soon since microsoft is EOL xp for all but large customers, but that is truly an OS that is "good enough" for most people.

 

[DrFreeman]

Fortunately, there is some good news in the form of HTML 5. This new version of HTML (the basic language used to write webpages) introduces a video element.

This will allow people to write their websites specifying the appearance of videos in a standard way. How the individual browsers choose to implement the playback is then up to them - whether they handle movies themselves or farm them out to embedded/external players is a decision made by the viewer, not forced back onto the content creator. The even better news is that support for this is already arriving - Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and Safari have already rolled out HTML 5 support and other browsers won’t be far behind.

h.264 is only royalty free till 2015, vp8 is royalty free from what i understand unless the mpeg-lg steps in and attaches a patent to it and charge a royalty fee to it,


What is clear though, is that we need a baseline to work from - one standard format that (if all else fails) everything can fall back to. This doesn’t need to be the most complex format, or the most advertised format, or even the format with the most companies involved in its creation. All it needs to do is to be available, everywhere. The codec in the frame for this is Ogg Theora, a spin off of the VP3 codec released into the wild by On2 a couple of years ago. It scores quite well on both the quality and compression fronts, standing up respectably against it’s more popular rivals such as MPEG4, while actually being much simpler to decode. The overwhelming feature that makes it stand out from its rivals is the fact it’s free. Really free. Not just “free to use in decoders," or “free to use if you agree to this complicated license agreement," but really, honestly, genuinely, 100% free. The specification for the stream and encoder/decoder source is available for public download and can be freely used/modified by anyone. Theora was designed and is maintained with the overriding goal of avoiding patents. No other codec can come even close to claiming to be as patent or royalty free as Theora can, whilst still holding a candle to the alternatives.

It is absolutely fine to quote others in your posts but please cite the source as well. This paragraph appears to be a copy and paste from here:

http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/04/interesting-times-for-video-on-web.html

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

I definitely do not. Why should I even care? I'll just buy the phone/device that provides the best internet experience. Apple zealots on the other hand is a different story. They are ready to suffer but stick with Apple products even when they suck

In general though, I am surprised people pay so much attention to what Steve Jobs or Apple in general say about Flash. Apple being a company with very little expertise in this area (their QuickTime player soundly defeated by Flash and nothing else to think of) who are they to teach the World?

Exactly...

Only one correction though!

Apple products, although bastardly overpriced, are great! No doubt about it...

When my current MBP goes belly up it is likely I will replace it with current version of the same... Why? Simply because I love the OS X, built quality of the machine and can justify premium price for my business use...

Same goes to all iDevices too! They are awesome products!

HOWEVER...

Draconian politics Steve Jobs is trying to push via iDevices (and Flash issue is only one out of many!) quite literally makes me sick!

In fact that much that not only he would never ever get a penny out of me for his iDevices but he is also forcing me to think twice about other, perfectly decent, Apple products too!

 

[gnasher729]

FWIW to a long time XP user, Windows 7 is almost as alien as a Mac and if you can't take your old apps with you (except in some XP Mode - compatibility VM) then there really is no reason for you NOT to consider a Mac instead of upgrading to Windows 7.

A few years ago, when my daughter bought a laptop with then brand new Vista installed, she asked me if I could install Windows on it for her For the record, she never had any problems at all using my MacBook when visiting. That doesn't mean MacOS X is more similar to Windows XP than Vista or Windows 7 are, but MacOS X is quite usable even if you don't know much about it.

 

[RobertMartens]

Exactly...


Apple products, although bastardly overpriced, are great! No doubt about it...




When my current MBP goes belly up it is likely I will replace it with current version of the same... Why? Simply because I love the OS X, built quality of the machine and can justify premium price for my business use...

Same goes to all iDevices too! They are awesome products!

HOWEVER...

Draconian politics Steve Jobs is trying to push via iDevices (and Flash issue is only one out of many!) quite literally makes me sick!

In fact that much that not only he would never ever get a penny out of me for his iDevices but he is also forcing me to think twice about other, perfectly decent, Apple products too!

You are a strange one
You say the products are great but overpriced but you will gladly pay for such awesome products.

"Whatever the market will bear"

Apple routinely has command a 30-40 percent profit margin
In the very early days it was 50% plus
Everyone else can only drool
HP profit margin? 20%
Everyone else? 5%

Then you pretend that you would walk away from products that you like and want because some rich guy is too pompous for you.

I don't think you are cool enough.

 

[wreckshop]

A few years ago, when my daughter bought a laptop with then brand new Vista installed, she asked me if I could install Windows on it for her For the record, she never had any problems at all using my MacBook when visiting. That doesn't mean MacOS X is more similar to Windows XP than Vista or Windows 7 are, but MacOS X is quite usable even if you don't know much about it.

I call BS on your story. Someone who is familiar with XP will feel much more at home on Vista than OSX. The main UI paradigms work the same on XP and Vista: Taskbar, Start Menu and application windows.

 

[KnightWRX]

I don't think you are cool enough.

You define cool by the acquisition of material things ? And he's strange ?

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

You are a strange one
You say the products are great but overpriced but you will gladly pay for such awesome products.

"Whatever the market will bear"

Apple routinely has command a 30-40 percent profit margin
In the very early days it was 50% plus
Everyone else can only drool
HP profit margin? 20%
Everyone else? 5%

Then you pretend that you would walk away from products that you like and want because some rich guy is too pompous for you.

I don't think you are cool enough.

I don't think you understood single word I said there

Try again... It isn't that hard...