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It's things like this that make me ashamed of even owning a mac. You all go off about how horrible flash is and how great apple is for not having it on their device based on one idiots use of it, and you ignore the fact that even he found quite a bit that worked perfectly. It's not like android forces flash on you, it's net ven installed by default. Why is it that apple fanboys are so vocal and annoying about it. I have a nexus one with flash, no problems with anything i've dried, from games to movies it's all played fine, never made my phone unresponsive, never crashed, and I've ben using it since the earliest beta. At the end of the day it works great, and sure it may have it's problems but if it still is both highly used and a requirement for the full web experience.

But do apple fanboys have any reason? No. and whats worse is that the only reason they have the opinion they have is because apple says so. If apple made a deal with adobe to have flash exclusively you'd insult android for being behind and not having it. You only care to be on apple's side, and it's downright sick.

I really wish Adobe would start supporting the Creative Suite on linux, I'd leave apple in a heartbeat and never look back, the system my be great, the hardware is good, but the community of users is horrible, and I'm sick of having a bad name because the majority want to do nothing but suck jobs off.

And you want to know whats the saddest part of all, they post this stuff because you will all have stupid arguments about it, they entice fanboy fights because it's good for their ad revenue, it's not apple news in any way, it's strictly an android story, but they knew they'd get pages and pages, and you all play your part so well.

The rant not directed at all, just those retarded rabid fanboys, a few (and on this site a very few) of you are actually reasonable, and I have no problem with you.

why are you ashamed of owning a mac after reading a post on macrumors?

chill out brah its just a discussion. not life or death or anything that has to do with your life. and your surprised by people on a mac site defending mac products ? oh the horror .

let it go live your life. retire hahahahaha
 
Duh! Flash was never designed for an ARM instruction set. Anyone that thinks the Flash kernel can cross compile needs to resign their Computer Science degree.
 
Duh! Flash was never designed for an ARM instruction set. Anyone that thinks the Flash kernel can cross compile needs to resign their Computer Science degree.
So you're basically saying that Adobe Systems should halt operations and liquidate assets to ADBE shareholders, right?
 
iOs nicer than Android - and I am a Flash developer

I develop Flash apps for a living and I bought an HTC Evo for that purpose. My wife has an iPhone and to me, the quality of the Android experience is just plain clumsy in comparison to that of the iOs. That being said, decent Flash apps can be developed for Android if careful attention is paid to the user experience and app performance details.
 
Duh! Flash was never designed for an ARM instruction set. Anyone that thinks the Flash kernel can cross compile needs to resign their Computer Science degree.

Wow.

I would think that anyone with any computer skills at all, let alone a CS degree, would believe that a compiler can translate any source code to any common machine language.

One of the ultimate examples of this is Digital's GEM compiler technology - a suite of compilers that feature a front end that translates the source language to intermediate language (IL), an optimization engine that optimizes the intermediate language, and a back end that generates the machine language for whichever target processor.

When VMS moved from VAX to Alpha - the million(s) lines of VAX Macro assembly code weren't changed. Digital didn't rewrite the VAX assembly code - they added a VAX Macro to IL front end to GEM so that the assembly code would generate optimized Alpha code. (And I expect today, with VMS running on IA64 systems, that much of the VAX Macro code that I wrote in the mid 80's is still running on Itanium systems.)

So, I think that the claim that "Flash was never designed for an ARM instruction set" is ultimate silliness. Search Yahoo! for "turing complete" to understand just how silly....
 
So you're basically saying that Adobe Systems should halt operations and liquidate assets to ADBE shareholders, right?

Adobe has other products.

Sadly, as a Flash developer, the writing was on the wall. The last two releases of Flash by Macromedia were terrible.

Creating Flash projects for two platforms (Mac and Windows) went down with each release since 4 (the last stable release of Flash).

Now lets try to get it working on more chips sets and platforms. It's just not going to happen.

Flash is just not a good cross-platform product.
 
:cool: <---this is steve jobs sitting back in his chair reading the article "told ya"

I would say that steve is not alone and there are plenty of programers and engineers that have told him so. I doubt that it was something he just came up with alone.

I have to say I have nothing against Flash on the PC or Mac but on the iphone or ipad I can see a lot of reason not to have it. I guess soon we are going to see someone come out with a chip just to allow Flash to run smooth on portables. Can't see Adobe sitting idle.
 
Duh! Flash was never designed for an ARM instruction set. Anyone that thinks the Flash kernel can cross compile needs to resign their Computer Science degree.

Smartphones are switching to Intel's Atom next year anyways, so it's a moot point.
 
The spirit of this site is bashing other devices that are not the iPhone?! What kind of "spirit" is that? Seriously, you said that???? "MacRumors.com is a website focused on Apple news and rumors. "

This sounds like a familiar argument to the iPhone 4's antenna issue.

Steve Jobs - Hey our phone has a problem so we're gonna blame other people. Look at this device it's no better than ours.

iPhone fans like yourself, become immediately defensive when some part of their device is flawed (not having flash). You feel pride when another device has an issue (Droid 2's flash not working correctly). I'm betting you are all scared of these new devices being legitimate competitors to your precious iPhone. I claim no loyalty to Android or Blackberry or, obviously, the iPhone (though I've had one of each for either work or my personal phone), but even the numbers say the others are regaining their respective market share. Clearly they must be doing something to be competitive with the iPhone. I couldn't care less about the performance of flash, I've had issues myself, but keep this kind of "mac rumor" off this site.

The only reason someone in the Apple community should really care that another phone's flash performance is not up to par (whatever that may be), is to put down the device to make yourself feel better about your own phone.

That's some pretty serious smack coming from someone who just became a member today. :rolleyes:
 
It's things like this that make me ashamed of even owning a mac. You all go off about how horrible flash is and how great apple is for not having it on their device based on one idiots use of it, and you ignore the fact that even he found quite a bit that worked perfectly. It's not like android forces flash on you, it's net ven installed by default. Why is it that apple fanboys are so vocal and annoying about it. I have a nexus one with flash, no problems with anything i've dried, from games to movies it's all played fine, never made my phone unresponsive, never crashed, and I've ben using it since the earliest beta. At the end of the day it works great, and sure it may have it's problems but if it still is both highly used and a requirement for the full web experience.

But do apple fanboys have any reason? No. and whats worse is that the only reason they have the opinion they have is because apple says so. If apple made a deal with adobe to have flash exclusively you'd insult android for being behind and not having it. You only care to be on apple's side, and it's downright sick.

I really wish Adobe would start supporting the Creative Suite on linux, I'd leave apple in a heartbeat and never look back, the system my be great, the hardware is good, but the community of users is horrible, and I'm sick of having a bad name because the majority want to do nothing but suck jobs off.

And you want to know whats the saddest part of all, they post this stuff because you will all have stupid arguments about it, they entice fanboy fights because it's good for their ad revenue, it's not apple news in any way, it's strictly an android story, but they knew they'd get pages and pages, and you all play your part so well.

The rant not directed at all, just those retarded rabid fanboys, a few (and on this site a very few) of you are actually reasonable, and I have no problem with you.

This has got to be one of the most asinine and pathetic things i've ever read. Not the whole post, and in fact I was agreeing with you up until you starting spouting off about switching to Linux. Not because you have an issue with the hardware or the software, but because of some bad seeds in the Apple community. How ridiculous can people get? You mean to tell me that you are so caught up in what your "rep" will be by what gadgets you own, that you're willing to switch just to save face from whoever you're trying to impress?

Are your geeky friends going to come over and see that you own a Mac and start spouting off how you must be a crazy Apple cultist and give Steve Job's bj's on the weekend because of it? Some people take this crap way to seriously. Get counseling.
 
this is actually kinda sad.

I'm a huge apple fan, but i think it's actually kinda sad adobe is failing so epically with creating a mobile version of flash. to think they had a chance before the iPhone came out to create a mobile version but didin't take it seriously and now here they are loosing their share of internet video and interactive media content. To think 4 years ago i wanted to learn everything there was to know about flash. It's a good thing i didn't waste my energy. Time to focus on HTML 5.
 
Did that many people really doubt that Apple had not invested significant time and energy trying to make flash work on the iPhone?

I wasn't sure about just how seriously Apple took the iPhone until the antenna issue came up and Apple opened its doors a little bit to show how much they've invested in facilities for the iPhone.

I'm sure Apple engineers came back to SJ and reported that it's just a piece of junk that would take away from the iPhone and not add to it.

I don't miss Flash on the iPhone, in fact, I'm now glad that the iPhone is hastening the demise of flash.

Google tried again and wants to add features that the iPhone doesn't have but people aren't going to enjoy waiting for flash to stop seizing their phone up loading flash if they need it for something else.
 
Predictable, biased and typical of what MR's front page has become of late.

:D

Of all the sites I've frequented over the last decade, Macrumors is the one that has changed the least. There have always (and let me repeat this part in a way that's hard to miss)...

*** HAVE ALWAYS ***

...been postings about the status of Apple competitors and competing technology.

So, your lament is silly. Still, it gave me a chuckle, so thanks for that.
 
I have one very simple question:

Why is it that whenever I play Flash video on my aluminum MacBook Pro, the whole laptop feels like it's on fire?

The Flash player is the only video player that does that!
 
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That *is* true, however, that is also part of the problem.

Windows has shown what happens when you build a platform that gives enough people enough rope to hang themselves. Apple's APIs are controversial (at least the control they exert over them), but one thing that is pretty assured is that if you follow their patterns (and they do a pretty good job of making it quite difficult to do anything other than that), you'll have at least a suitable/average user experience.

It is too easy to create a Flash app that trashes the user experience, that is why iOS isn't clumsy and clunky like the Android platform and its Flash implementation.

You *can* write a good app in Flash. But it is pretty obvious that 80% or worse of developers *won't* or *can't*.

Please, keep that experience off my platform! I enjoy Apple's attention to detail in not letting this seep on to the platform. As a developer and a user I can only see if Apple let Flash on to the platform that it'd take away from the user experience they've built on the native widgets/interface.

Give people the easy way out (e.g. repurpose your existing non-touch/mobile friendly Flash website or allow Flash cross-compilers into the appstore) and the vast majority ones that take that option are precisely the ones who can't/won't do a good job.

If you're enough of a ninja in Flash you probably have the where with all (and frankly, compunction) to use Apple's SDK to do the same thing/HTML5 - it isn't any harder if you're a true technologist and not some Flash junkie that picked up the latest dummies guide. Yeah, that's a bit mean and simplistic, but the basic premise: if you really do the work to build a good app and Flash kind of loses its appeal on the iOS platform. The same amount of work put into a really good iOS app tends to create a lot more value in most scenarioes I can envision.

I develop Flash apps for a living and I bought an HTC Evo for that purpose. My wife has an iPhone and to me, the quality of the Android experience is just plain clumsy in comparison to that of the iOs. That being said, decent Flash apps can be developed for Android if careful attention is paid to the user experience and app performance details.
 
Article is utter rubbish and perfect example of crap journalism...

Flash player for Android is in its first and initial release - fact...

Anyone who was expecting to have the same performance as he / she is having on their laptop or desktop computers is an idiot - fact...

Flash is NOT just a video and basing almost entire article on video arguments is sign of very disturbed brains or of someone being paid to write bullcrap - fact...

Player, as well as hardware that runs it, can only get better meaning that within couple of years or so we will have perfectly capable devices as well as software to run it without any hick-ups - fact...

iDevice owners will keep on missing on half of the web forever - fact...

For the end, I will ALWAYS rather take something that is "HIT OR MISS" than something that is just a MISS 100% - fact...

So screw you Apple :)

Thanks for reading!
 
I have one very simple question:

Why is it that whenever I play Flash video on my aluminum MacBook Pro, the whole laptop feels like it's on fire?

The Flash player is the only video player that does that!

It has been explained many many times. For whatever reason Apple does not provide API that could be used by Adobe (and other developers) for hardware acceleration. Windows has such API and as a result Flash runs on PCs just fine. Just try running Flash on Windows in BootCamp on your Mac. You'll see what your hardware is really capable of.
 
Well all Apple fans follow Jobs blindly right? :D Flash was crap, is crap and will be crap. The window to fix it closed a very long time ago.
 
Žalgiris;10889025 said:
Well all Apple fans follow Jobs blindly right? :D Flash was crap, is crap and will be crap. The window to fix it closed a very long time ago.

Well, this "crap" somehow conquered Internet. Given that there is order of magnitude more Flash users in the Worlds than that of all Apple software combined, I'd say that Adobe's "crap" is much better than Apple's one.


I've also heard that Blu-Ray performace is pretty poor on PCs and Playstations, too!

Did you hear this in Apple commercials?
 
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