Flash Player Performance on Droid 2 Found to Be Hit-or-Miss at Best

[50548]

Surprise, suprise.

Thank you for stating the obvious, Sir; now where are the MORONS that infest this forum to say that Flash is "eternal", "unbeatable" and here "for the long haul"? Funny thing is: even the LAST version released for Macs seems to be the only thing that can crash my Safari when loading videos - that thing is useless.

SJ, once more, WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about that stupid platform, much to the chagrin of his usual detractors...and worry not, Adobe will be bought by Apple in no time with some cheap change.

FLASH IS DEAD. AND BURIED DEEP IN THE GROUND. Go eat some crow, pundits!

 

[inlovewithi]

Customer is the key to a succesful corporation.

Deceiving as best as they can is the key to success for a corporation. Making things seem better than they really are is key to success with any corporation. Having hardcore fans, and throwing out buss words, or spreading FUD about other companies and choosing careful words that they know their fans will repeat over and over on the internet is a big key to success with Apple, the corporation. (For example, "Adobe is lazy." As soon as Steve said that, Apple fans on this forum kept repeating it over and over and over again. It was amazing to me. Fact. Another one is the Mac vs PC commercials. I'm very familiar with Windows, Apple spread so many lies that it really turned me off to them because they were treating their Apple customers who know nothing about Windows like suckers. Sure enough those Apple customers would repeat the same FUD over and over, here and on youtube. 1st time Mac owner, but those commercials turned me off.)

 

[Journojulz]

no. flash does run right on any 2.2 device.

Apart from the sites where it doesn't run right.

and what does multi touch have ANYTHING to do with what we are discussing.

The future.

The future is multi touch, and has been since 2007.

If flash STILL doesn't run right, and can't cope with current multi-touch tech after all this time, maybe the future lies somewhere else?

I love what flash can do when its done well - but 95% of the time its just streaming video or screaming adverts.

And from what you say - the other 5% may not even work.

 

[inlovewithi]

I'm being a bit simple. Why does flash hurt their bottom line? I mean, I've never designed or built a website but don't people use Dreamweaver? I thought that was adobe? Surely letting people download a plug-in for free hurts nobody.

I'm prepared to be put right, but I just can't see why Apple would lose out in that scenario.

Sorry, I thought it was obvious. Flash content compete with iTunes content.

 

[Journojulz]

I'm being a bit simple. Why does flash hurt their bottom line?

Any app that can bought from the app store can be replicated and given away free on a flash website.

Any music or video that can bought from the app store can be replicated and given away free on a flash website

The closed system lets designers and publishers earn a few pence from their efforts - and those pennies add up.

Without this revenue stream - the developers wouldn't be able to afford to develop.

Apple therefore is protecting its developers and media publishers by prohibiting flash.

So even if flash ran smooth and efficiently - it would still be against apple's interests to allow it.

Its a price i can live with.

Just as i can afford to pay 79p for a song instead of torrenting it for free.

 

[barberio]

You would have a point if processors were largely static like the environment. But they're not. Ever hear of Moore's law?

The analogy is crap.

Can I point out that Moore's law does not apply to energy density of battery storage? Or reducing power draw per mhz?

Those problems are not easy to overcome, and there are steep drop off curves due to physical problems. And it's those problems which are what limit mobile computing, not raw processing power.

 

[aohus]

Apart from the sites where it doesn't run right.



The future.

The future is multi touch, and has been since 2007.

If flash STILL doesn't run right, and can't cope with current multi-touch tech after all this time, maybe the future lies somewhere else?

I love what flash can do when its done well - but 95% of the time its just streaming video or screaming adverts.

And from what you say - the other 5% may not even work.

multi touch is on android 2.2. multi-touch is enabled on android devices. whats wrong with you kid? this isn't android from 2008.

but 95% of the time its just streaming video

i think 95% of people in here would disagree with you on that, insinuating that streaming video is worthless.

as i said previously, 0% of flash content is on iOS. guess what, Jobs decided for you. He wrote a nasty letter about Flash and you just agree. how does that make Apple as a company look? pretty darn lame. Google/Adobe collaborated and made a great flash player for the android platform.

why does iOS not have flash? to protect its app store, and to keep you enclosed in their environment. toodles kiddo.

 

[Journojulz]

multi touch is on android 2.2. multi-touch is enabled on android devices. whats wrong with you kid? this isn't android from 2008.

"If FLASH STILL doesn't run right, and can't cope with current multi-touch tech after all this time....

i think 95% of people in here would disagree with you on that, insinuating that streaming video is worthless.

The problem with jumping to conclusions, is that you often jump in the wrong direction.

I never said streaming video was useless.

There are alternatives. Youtube use HTML5, Facebook use MP4 i believe.

as i said previously, 0% of flash content is on iOS. guess what, Jobs decided for you.

And i decide whether i miss it or not.
Only happened once - and there was an app for that.

He wrote a nasty letter about Flash and you just agree. how does that make Apple as a company look? pretty darn lame.

Its a business decision - don't take it personally.

Google/Adobe collaborated and made a great flash player for the android platform.

A great player that doesn't work on all the sites created by the same company that makes the software?

How does that make Adobe look?

why does iOS not have flash? to protect its app store, and to keep you enclosed in their environment. toodles kiddo.

Yup. If you don't like the dress code - choose another shop.

Enjoy your flash - hope it makes up for it.

 

[barberio]

multi touch is on android 2.2. multi-touch is enabled on android devices. whats wrong with you kid? this isn't android from 2008.

Despite that, Flash is not usable via multi-touch control.

i think 95% of people in here would disagree with you on that, insinuating that streaming video is worthless.

No, that most use of *Flash* for streaming video is worthless. That's what html5's video tag is for.

 

[wreckshop]

Can I point out that Moore's law does not apply to energy density of battery storage? Or reducing power draw per mhz?

Those problems are not easy to overcome, and there are steep drop off curves due to physical problems. And it's those problems which are what limit mobile computing, not raw processing power.

What's your point? Laptops use batteries too. Raw processing power increases EVERY year.

Next year dual core CPUs will be common in android phones like how today 1GHZ CPUs are common.

 

[The Phazer]

If flash STILL doesn't run right, and can't cope with current multi-touch tech after all this time, maybe the future lies somewhere else?

If iTunes STILL doesn't run right, and can't cope with not being a horrible memory hogging POS that breaks application focus on Windows after all these years, maybe the future lies somewhere else?

See how this works?

Phazer

 

[trunten]

Any app that can bought from the app store can be replicated and given away free on a flash website.

Whilst I'm not sure I agree with this point entirely (Surely devs. would want to get money if they could? And wouldn't copyright protect them fro blatant copies?). I can see that adobe could conceivably start releasing paid for apps, perhaps even start an app store clone which would let users use their apps on any platform they had (Mobile or not).

So like I said I was being a bit simple.

 

[trunten]

If iTunes STILL doesn't run right, and can't cope with not being a horrible memory hogging POS that breaks application focus on Windows after all these years, maybe the future lies somewhere else?

See how this works?

Phazer

Hehe. I like what you did there. Never used itunes on windows, but it pretty much kills my mac too.

 

[Journojulz]

If iTunes STILL doesn't run right, and can't cope with not being a horrible memory hogging POS that breaks application focus on Windows after all these years, maybe the future lies somewhere else?
See how this works?

Yup. Love it or leave.

I am sure you will love the zune.

Have you tried the zune player on the PC
Won't let you run videos full screen.

And don't have a problem with itunes on mac or pc. Its a great way of organising a couple of months of music.

Whilst I'm not sure I agree with this point entirely (Surely devs. would want to get money if they could? And wouldn't copyright protect them from blatant copies?).

Copyright is hard to enforce on the net.

Web mounted flash can give away for free just about anything that is currently paid for.

That is a business threat to apple and its devs.

I can see that adobe could conceivably start releasing paid for apps, perhaps even start an app store clone which would let users use their apps on any platform they had (Mobile or not).

Its hard to get people to pay for things that are so readily free.

 

[wreckshop]

Hehe. I like what you did there. Never used itunes on windows, but it pretty much kills my mac too.

Itunes is pretty crappy on windows, but at least it can be useful. Quicktime on the other hand... that needs to die.

 

[barberio]

What's your point? Laptops use batteries too. Raw processing power increases EVERY year.

Next year dual core CPUs will be common in android phones like how today 1GHZ CPUs are common.

Try using every drop of that raw power. You'll find you're out of battery very quickly.

 

[kntgsp]

I'm glad flash is dying, but this part was a little inaccurate for the device they were testing:

When it comes to Flash-based games, LAPTOP found that many of the games are still designed for non-touch input, requiring keyboard presses and other actions that are simply not possible in the Flash Player mobile experience as currently implemented

Doesn't the Droid2 have a pull out keyboard? Yes, that issue clearly applies to the touchscreen only devices, but if they make a bother about saying they did this test with a Droid2 they should at least mention if it works with the pull out keyboard.

 

[darrenbeige]

well we just tested our site on an EVO - and all our flash sections loaded just fine and worked as designed so we very happy with the plug-in

For all non-Android people, it helps to know that Flash doesn't actually exist on the EVO yet, so this test is 100% representative of real-world use.

 

[darrenbeige]

I'm glad flash is dying, but this part was a little inaccurate for the device they were testing:



Doesn't the Droid2 have a pull out keyboard? Yes, that issue clearly applies to the touchscreen only devices, but if they make a bother about saying they did this test with a Droid2 they should at least mention if it works with the pull out keyboard.

They did test with a pull-out keyboard. And Flash still didn't recognize the keyboard presses.

 

[calb]

why does iOS not have flash? to protect its app store, and to keep you enclosed in their environment. toodles kiddo.

Wrong. The App Store's grip (as the go-to place for additional functionality) is partially strengthened as a side-effect of no Flash support in iOS. The web app option has always been open, providing that developers use HTML5. But naturally, the web apps aren't usually as useful or integrated as a native ap... so having Flash games available in Safari would be unlikely to add any better-quality options than we have in the App Store.

Sometimes I get the impression that people are digging for dirt when there is really very little. Apple doesn't want any extra development layers in devices they want to behave predictably and reliably.

 

[Luis Ortega]

Flash Player Performance on Droid 2 Found to Be Hit-or-Miss at Best

As opposed to the iphone or ipad, where it's just miss?

 

[spydr]

I guess most of you don't appreciate that the best part is how they deliver the "full" web experience:
1. It may be a bit sluggish, stuck, or even non-responsive, but only half the times
2. Error messages are rather friendly and informative like, "this flash content is NOT optimized for your flash device"
3. all this awesome experience is brought to you in just 4 short years. Just imagine what they could unleash in 8!

 

[Force10]

A negative article about Flash on Macrumors! Grab your popcorn or treat of choice folks, this'll be a good'un.

(not that anyone will care, but the NYT site loads perfectly well on my HTC desire and a bit faster than it does on my iPad in my less than scientific test)

Are you on WiFi or 3G?
We found most of the sites on m.flash.com loaded OK on wifi but very slow on 3G. We are also using a Desire with Froyo
Anything that was not optimised for mobile was terrible and even the optimised video was poor compared to Google's latest mobile youtube.

Have to agree Flash is not the right tool for mobile sites

 

[vincenz]

Flash works, but it doesn't work well. That's breaking a cardinal rule of Apple's.

 

[Journojulz]

As opposed to the iphone or ipad, where it's just miss?

Apparently according to the flash ad buried on one of many open tabs - every 3o seconds i am reminded that "more and more men are shaving their armpits".

I am not missing that kind of intrusive nagging on my iPhone at all.

Between html5 on youtube and farmville the app store, the benefits of flash are not what they were.