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Flip Flopping between macOS and Windows

My M1 Air booted fast, but due to a bug I had to wait for spotlight to finish indexing. If I opened I bunch of apps straight away after logging in, spotlight search would be broken.

Current desktop is really quick to, probably even quicker then the M1 (including waiting for spotlight). Startup and manually launching, steam, gog galaxy, Xbox app, ea play, discord and my ram application to set the rgb colour haha.
 
c0ppo said:
Am I the only one who doesn't really care about boot times? :D

Who many times a day do you guys really boot up your pc/mac?
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Exactly. That's the parameter of a good OS, boot times. HA HA HA. I was basically making a point, no matter what machine or what OS, boot times are different. I have a low power dell inspiron 2 in 1 and it boots almost as fast as an m1. The M1 is more powerful than my dell, but hey, i boot within a few seconds of it. Now, OS of course, mine is much better.
 
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Am I the only one who doesn't really care about boot times? :D

Who many times a day do you guys really boot up your pc/mac?
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i dont care either, except once i rushed home, turned on the Dell XSP notebook, tapped MLB.tv and the video appeared in 29 seconds from lifting the cover of the lid. i thought that was very impressive.
sometimes the actual trip somewhere scenic can be enjoyable by going there slower.

i swapped out my MacBook air ssd drive to mountain lion which is faster than Mojave, being only 4 GB ram and the boot or start up was much quicker, which i good because
too bad apple wont let run both iCloud accounts on that system, and let me know that by sending the iPad alerts every 5 minutes last night wanting me to log in which the MacBook did not accept.
 
I don't care about boot times either but it does appear to keep coming up as some sort of comparable performance metric for some reason. My mac boots faster than your PC so it proves it's better and vice versa.

But on a forum where there are comments like "The 8GB in the M1 is the same as 16GB in an intel device", I don't get surprised by comments I am usually surprised about.
 
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LeeW, there are alot of apple fans who think the M1 is the Mjesus.
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To be fair, I am not going to knock them for thinking it. Ultimately it is leaps and bounds better than anything before it in terms of performance, battery life and so on. So I will leave them to their victory, however, poorly informed they are on some elements :)
 
LeeW said:
To be fair, I am not going to knock them for thinking it. Ultimately it is leaps and bounds better than anything before it in terms of performance, battery life and so on. So I will leave them to their victory, however, poorly informed they are on some elements :)
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Ok, we will agree to disagree on that one. I just inched past an xps 13 i7 in single core speed, and fell behind in multicore speeds, and battery life between the two are close to the same. I don't see the leaps and bounds better.
 
Big Sur has finally made me jump ship back to a Windows. I’m sticking with iPhones for the foreseeable future because they’re great products, but the locked down nature of macOS is becoming increasingly worse.
 
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Steve Adams said:
LeeW, there are alot of apple fans who think the M1 is the Mjesus.
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I see people falling over themselves praising the M1, and that's fine. On one hand, Intel did it to themselves by failing to push innovation. They opened the door and both AMD and Apple walked through with superior products.

With that said, I have zero desire to embrace Macs, what I do, requires windows, and for me the CPU and GPU that I can get are better for my needs. Plus I'd rather not choose a walled garden where we see apple in the process of further locking down their macs , both hardware and software.

I was flip flopping between macOS and Windows for years because of the Macs were great hardware, but at some point I realized PCs/Windows were a better tool for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Steve Adams said:
Ok, we will agree to disagree on that one. I just inched past an xps 13 i7 in single core speed, and fell behind in multicore speeds, and battery life between the two are close to the same. I don't see the leaps and bounds better.
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The performance of the M1 vs performance in identical Intel-based machines really is leaps and bounds better. I have experienced it.

I had the M1 Mac Mini and the previous 2018 Mac Mini with an i5. Same Ram/SSD in each. The difference was clear and noticeable, I have posted on that and why previously.

Maybe your experience is different, can't argue with that, I only know what I experienced.

I don't buy into the core speed tests too much or benchmarking, I look at real-life usage and it is that which quite honesty amazed me in terms of what I could now do that would not have been possible on previous devices.
 
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LeeW said:
The performance of the M1 vs performance in identical Intel-based machines really is leaps and bounds better. I have experienced it.

I had the M1 Mac Mini and the previous 2018 Mac Mini with an i5. Same Ram/SSD in each. The difference was clear and noticeable, I have posted on that and why previously.

Maybe your experience is different, can't argue with that, I only know what I experienced.

I don't buy into the core speed tests too much or benchmarking, I look at real-life usage and it is that which quite honesty amazed me in terms of what I could now do that would not have been possible on previous devices.
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Maybe mac to mac. But what I have seen from M1 to XPS, not really that big a deal. Also, 4k video editing is not even close. Intel based machines do much better. I watched a video the other day of a video producer comparing his Mac Pro, a PC built by a business who deals with creatives, A xps 13, and an M1. The Custom built machine was 12g when he bought it in 2018, and it was essentially the same as his 40k mac pro, all machines were faster than m1 doing 4k work. the xps was a fair amount faster doing it than the M1. For normal work like surfing web etc, maybe the m1 feels quicker but for creative work it does not hold a candle to the intel systems.

Can you elaborate on what you can do now compared to what is not possible on previous machines? That's a pretty large statement. You are basically saying M1 made things possible that you couldn't even do before, which sounds like a far fetched statement considering they are NOT that fast compared to comparable other machines.
 
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Here is a screen shot of the data.....

M1 vs PC 4k video editing times. .png

And from the same video the premier pro times.

Premier pro 6k editing times.png

Again from the same video. Whats interesting though is the 40k "Creators Beast" mac pro would not even run this file. So, I give the M1 props for actually completing the job. However, it did take WAY to long doing it.


Premier pro Canon Raw 6k times.png
 
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I think people get too caught up on specs. Unless your workflow involves time critical tasks, shaving 20 seconds off an export makes zero difference. I find it amusing that people will say x is faster than x, when they just do basic tasks which would run just as well on hardware from years ago.

Even in games, people get bent out of shape about specs. My 5600X shows zero perceivable bottlenecks, but you'll have people spending £400-600 more on a 5900x/5950x because they saw in a chart that they gain 5fps over a 5600x.

I think we are at a point now where hardware has peaked for most usages. Unless you are in the small niche group where you need to eek out those extra seconds and minutes within your workflow.

It's the same for phones. Largely people use phones a handful of tasks, they absolutely don't need or get the benefit from the year on year chip improvements anymore.
 
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I think people get too caught up on specs. Unless your workflow involves time critical tasks, shaving 20 seconds off an export makes zero difference. I find it amusing that people will say x is faster than x, when they just do basic tasks which would run just as well on hardware from years ago.

Even in games, people get bent out of shape about specs. My 5600X shows zero perceivable bottlenecks, but you'll have people spending £400-600 more on a 5900x/5950x because they saw in a chart that they gain 5fps over a 5600x.

I think we are at a point now where hardware has peaked for most usages. Unless you are in the small niche group where you need to eek out those extra seconds and minutes within your workflow.

It's the same for phones. Largely people use phones a handful of tasks, they absolutely don't need or get the benefit from the year on year chip improvements anymore.
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I agree, I use my computers for video, photo and content. Therefore, the intel based PC's are what I use. I ALMOST bought a new M1, but did my homework ALOT. I watched literally hundreds of videos comparing. This led me to buy my i7 based XPS with 128gb of ram, extra scratch drives etc. The M1 would just choke where the XPS just trucks on through. Time is money to me, therefore I needed the faster system.

As for my phone, I had an iPhone 8 which was perfectly fine, ran fast, was the perfect size, had superior touch ID, and good battery life. Unfortunately it developed a connection issue which I found out later was sim card related, and I traded it for a new 11. I hate this phone. Face ID is terrible and only about 50 percent reliable, the notch is FUGLY, I still have the same connection issues and is just a total brick in size. There is no perceivable increase in performance between the two unless side by side.
 
LiE_ said:
Even in games, people get bent out of shape about specs. My 5600X shows zero perceivable bottlenecks, but you'll have people spending £400-600 more on a 5900x/5950x because they saw in a chart that they gain 5fps over a 5600x.
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No question, I think what ever becomes the darling of the media causes people to start frothing over the item. The 5900x/5950x is a good example. I have a 3700x and what would that give me if I opted to upgrade (just a few percentage points or FPS?)

Apple has a temporary problem, in that the M1 is not suited for heavy lifting, but they started it with how its marketed. So now people want to compute the size of the universe while playing games and still wanting 24 hours of battery ;)

I'm curious to see what apple will do for their "pro" laptop and can the M series processor stand up against Apple's newly released Mac Pro with Xenon processors?
 
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maflynn said:
No question, I think what ever becomes the darling of the media causes people to start frothing over the item. The 5900x/5950x is a good example. I have a 3700x and what would that give me if I opted to upgrade (just a few percentage points or FPS?)

Apple has a temporary problem, in that the M1 is not suited for heavy lifting, but they started it with how its marketed. So now people want to compute the size of the universe while playing games and still wanting 24 hours of battery ;)

I'm curious to see what apple will do for their "pro" laptop and can the M series processor stand up against Apple's newly released Mac Pro with Xenon processors?
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See my previous post. It's going to take alot for a laptop to beat the mac pro. No matter what chip is involved.
 
Steve Adams said:
You are basically saying M1 made things possible that you couldn't even do before, which sounds like a far fetched statement considering they are NOT that fast compared to comparable other machines.
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Been covered a few times after I got the device and given my opinions on it. Like I say, my experience, take it or leave it. Not getting into the repetitive I say x you counter with y that is constant in this thread, gets tiring.
 
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LeeW said:
Been covered a few times after I got the device and given my opinions on it. Like I say, my experience, take it or leave it. Not getting into the repetitive I say x you counter with y that is constant in this thread, gets tiring.
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No, I am genuinely curious of what you do on M1 that you can't do on any other machine?
 
LiE_ said:
I know from experience that running Lightroom on the older MBA is terrible/borderline unusable and on the new M1 MBA is flies!
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To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), but LR has had a reputation of running very poorly on a Mac, while the M1 certainly improved things, its quite possible Adobe finally addressed the software running poorly as well. That is they could have tweaked the app to run better regardless of the fact its on an M1.

I'm not say that's the case, but I've heard for a while LR runs better on a PC, well maybe Adobe is giving some love to the Mac crowd now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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