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This highly depends on the operator right?
exactly!
like pets, some are good, some are on judge Judy
the owner is responsible.
i guess it is easier to get hacked with windows that macs, but i have solved many malware problems last year on the apple community forums.
 
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Right now, the perceived speed domination of the M1 is not near enough to sway me from microsoft.

Oh, it's not perceived speed, it really is true just how good it is. But as I keep saying to everyone, hold up a little.

The M1 is amazing vs the previous MBA, MBP and MM. It is not better than my PC or many other devices. Its performance whilst great is actually proof of how bad Apple design has been. Intel chips are not bad, but if you put them into a small enclosure without the right thermals then performance will suffer.

People blame Intel for not getting better, I agree with that to a degree, but Apple knew putting intel chips that were available at the time into their planned enclosures was going to create thermal issues. They did it anyway. That consumer-focussed giant that they are.

But anyway, preaching to the choir no doubt. The bottom line, choose what works best for you. That may even be a future iMac or something else for me, who knows.

I would like to do some PC upgrades soon but I suspect everything I want is either on a grounded ship in the Suez or parked waiting to get through.
 
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Oh, it's not perceived speed, it really is true just how good it is. But as I keep saying to everyone, hold up a little.

The M1 is amazing vs the previous MBA, MBP and MM. It is not better than my PC or many other devices. Its performance whilst great is actually proof of how bad Apple design has been. Intel chips are not bad, but if you put them into a small enclosure without the right thermals then performance will suffer.

People blame Intel for not getting better, I agree with that to a degree, but Apple knew putting intel chips that were available at the time into their planned enclosures was going to create thermal issues. They did it anyway. That consumer-focussed giant that they are.

But anyway, preaching to the choir no doubt. The bottom line, choose what works best for you. That may even be a future iMac or something else for me, who knows.

I would like to do some PC upgrades soon but I suspect everything I want is either on a grounded ship in the Suez or parked waiting to get through.
Anything multicore, i7's beat the M1 chip. Every single benchmark I have seen states the same. Now real world usage may differ. It's what I prefer to judge by (real world usage that is) . Agree 100 percent what works for you is best for you. I saw a gif the other day of austin powers driving the ship in the tunnel. HA ah ha.
 
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I won't address every point but here's a few of my thoughts.

You're right, but windows is a desktop/laptop operating system and iOS is for phones. You're comparing apples and oranges. I've said this soo many times, many people must be sick of me saying it. Pick the right tool for the job and choosing a desktop OS for as a mobile phone OS is a mistake - even MS learned that when they rolled out windows mobile. As it stands windows 10 is not something you'll be running on a phone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Nope, its apps, you see an operating system's job is to run apps and the volume of applications that can run on macOS pales in comparison to what can run on Windows. Beside how can you argue that the price is the sole reason for its success when Apple long stopped charging for operating systems but MS has not. You can get linux, and macOS and other operating systems for free. Your logic is flawed if you think price is the reason that 75% of the worlds desktops run windows (compared to 16% for macOS)


That's completely false. I've yet to have any malware on my machine, it simply does not get "clogged with malware" My desktop computer at work has run flawlessly for many years, without any need to be cleaned up or "refreshed"

In all of my years of using windows, at work, on servers and at home, I've never once got a "cache error" Never mind in sufficient quantities that cause the machine to be cleaned up

I get that windows isn't for everyone, either due to personal preference or due to specific apps being on macOS, but to propagate such an ill-formed narrative that all windows machines get clogged up with malware is simply so wrong and mistaken that it is so baffling.

Whatever....insert Mac OS where I said IOS. Figured you would know what I meant. Pricing....I can buy a dell for 500 where a Mac book or iMac would cost over two times that. So what paying for windows upgrades or whatever that’s peanuts. Glad you have had a good experience as mine hasn’t. Windows has been the same for me for over 20 years.
 
wow, windows 10 has this battery balance thingee- Im at 7 hours now, the most i got was 2-3 hours
kinda a joke compared to M1, but the hard drive done loves me!
 
Intel chips are not bad

I agree that Apple had thermal issues with Intel chips, and that part is mostly apples fault.
But Intel chips aren't bad. They are the worst. Intel has been stuck on 14+++++++ nm for how long now?

Intel is probably the sole reason M1 exists. AMD came to the party too late. And now even AMD is way better than Intel, even though just 5 years ago AMD was way behind. That's how much Intel chips s*ck. Just compare any Intel chip to AMD, especially in laptops... It's not even a competition anymore. And Intel has always had better mobile chips than AMD.

I'm sorry, but Intel is bad. Really, really bad.
 
I'm sorry, but Intel is bad. Really, really bad.

Well, that's fine, I mean for me and my PC right now there is nothing bad about my intel in that it does everything I need it to do. Could it be better, no doubt but I am not interested like the majority of consumers in getting technical about a CPU. Can I do everything I want to do and nothing points to the CPU stopping me do that? Yes, all good :)
 
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14+++++++ nm
what is that? size or speed?
i can't complain about intel, except that tag on my Dell XPS but that is unnoticeable.
everything in the computer world can be better.
and usually is- no matter what lake ya row a boat on, kirby!
 
.I can buy a dell for 500 where a Mac book or iMac would cost over two times that.
the $500 Dells pack a punch and are affordable and does everything most people need without being disposable like an iPad. they have cheaper Chromebooks i dont recommend, but for most computer users, they do everything they need. I think this is good that a company like Dell can make a computer for the same price as an ipad keyboard that only types and bends.
 
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BSOD isn't normal for a mature GPU assuming it's not a power supply issue or bum GPU. You probably already know about DDU to remove remnants of Nvidia drivers that might conflict. Some even go as far as doing clean install of Windows if the issue persists. Is it reference or AIB rx480?

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

I leave my desktop PC on 24/7 and never get BSOD on 5600xt or 6800/6900xt. Intel mobile iGPU driver quality is questionable so not surprised you'll see occasional BSOD. Knock on wood but my first experience with AMD mobile 4650U has been solid so far like on desktop.
Huge thanks for this. I didn't know about DDU - I had simply gone through the process of remove Nvidia drivers, turn off PC, install card, turn back on, install AMD drivers etc. Have just run this and there were loads of remnants of GeForce drivers left behind.

The card is an XFX RX480 4Gb, nothing too fancy but I got it for next to nothing and given the current GPU debacles, I'll take it! Was originally for a Mac mini eGPU that I found underwhelming - so I put it in my Ryzen desktop instead.
 
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Ahhh yeah it is. I had an 09 iMac that I just got rid of last year that still booted faster and ran better than my wife’s three year old dell.
If you judge an OS by how fast it boots you are not judging properly. That being said, my 2007 acer booted windows 10 faster than my 2007 macbook booted snow leopard (since it would not let me update to something newer and more functional) So...there is that.
 
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the $500 Dells pack a punch and are affordable and does everything most people need without being disposable like an iPad. they have cheaper Chromebooks i dont recommend, but for most computer users, they do everything they need. I think this is good that a company like Dell can make a computer for the same price as an ipad keyboard that only types and bends.
I have such a dell. My inspiron 5368 cost me 549 cdn. I installed a 90 dollar SSD and 100 for 16gb of ram. I have a machine that I edit videos, photos, create graphics, do floor plans, websites, write content for blogs and more without a hiccup. It's also a 2 in 1 so I also have options when I go to present to clients.
 
Well, that's fine, I mean for me and my PC right now there is nothing bad about my intel in that it does everything I need it to do. Could it be better, no doubt but I am not interested like the majority of consumers in getting technical about a CPU. Can I do everything I want to do and nothing points to the CPU stopping me do that? Yes, all good :)

My Thinkpad with Intel does everything I need as well.
But when I see my coworkers with ther Ryzen laptops that get better performance and less heat, I want that CPU in my laptop as well. But history repeats itself, and OEMs tend to use Intel most of the time. That won't change anytime soon :(
 
i had to set the battery on the XPS for balance something now i get 6-8 hours.
which is great!
Yeah, the way I look at it, I wont be away from power for more than 8 hrs. If power was an issue for me in the future I would get an XPS 9310 2 in 1. It has a battery life of up to 12 - 13 hrs in real world testing.
 
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My Thinkpad with Intel does everything I need as well.
But when I see my coworkers with ther Ryzen laptops that get better performance and less heat, I want that CPU in my laptop as well. But history repeats itself, and OEMs tend to use Intel most of the time. That won't change anytime soon :(

Indeed. The marketing works I have seen that myself recently.

Me: You may want to look at an AMD Ryzen Laptop, better battery life and performance.
Them: Never heard of AMD, I think I would prefer intel inside.

I laughed, but unless you are willing to spend time which most consumers will not that "Intel Inside" tag and the chime after it on all the adverts really do stick in the mind and people believe they need it.

That said, I am seeing a lot more Ryzen based laptops out there these days. Whether people are actually buying them I am not sure.
 
Me: You may want to look at an AMD Ryzen Laptop, better battery life and performance.
Them: Never heard of AMD, I think I would prefer intel inside.
AMD was the rage in 1997-98 and our local computer shop would install their processors in every custom built.
Intel always had a "MacDonald's" reputation- they are everywhere, but no one eats there.
 
That said, I am seeing a lot more Ryzen based laptops out there these days. Whether people are actually buying them I am not sure.

Asus ones and small linux based OEMs are selling them like hot cakes.
And I highly doubt it's marketing. It's probably that Intel has a lot of signed contracts with different OEMs.
I want a high end thinkpad with AMD inside. But looking at their recent laptops (x1 nano and x1 carbon), that won't happen in 2021 :(
 
wow, windows 10 has this battery balance thingee- Im at 7 hours now, the most i got was 2-3 hours
kinda a joke compared to M1, but the hard drive done loves me!

Ahhh yeah it is. I had an 09 iMac that I just got rid of last year that still booted faster and ran better than my wife’s three year old dell.

Anything looks good compared to Intel which has been the industry's low benchmark. A $500 Lenovo Yoga 6 with AMD 4650U boots to desktop in like 12 seconds compared to Apple's latest and greatest MacBook Air M1 that does it in 26 seconds. And, battery life on AMD is close to M1 without losing x86-64 compatibility. Not going back to Intel until they outsource to TSMC/Samsung 5nm/7nm.
 
Anything looks good compared to Intel which has been the industry's low benchmark. A $500 Lenovo Yoga 6 with AMD 4650U boots to desktop in like 12 seconds compared to Apple's latest and greatest MacBook Air M1 that does it in 26 seconds. And, battery life on AMD is close to M1 without losing x86-64 compatibility. Not going back to Intel until they outsource to TSMC/Samsung 5nm/7nm.
I don't know how boot times can be compared as with windows it depends on what is getting launched during boot. Now if you are talking freshly installed windows vs freshly installed mac, that's a different story.
 
exactly. My three dell machines boot to useable in under 20 seconds. inlcuding me entering my pin numbers upon start up. Not exactly slouchs.
 
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