no, windows is too sluggish for long time Mac users
they would switch to linux or read fiction novels from a book
and enjoy life without a keyboard and monitor.
I know I would!
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they would switch to linux or read fiction novels from a book
and enjoy life without a keyboard and monitor.
I know I would!
I use windows daily, and I do not find it sluggish at all. In fact there are so many tasks that run faster, and look better in Windows then macOS
Why anyone would switch, that makes little sense. We're talking about tools, not a marriage where your wife suddenly divorced you, or a religious experience where now suddenly you're an atheist.
Hey if you want to live without keyboard and monitor and read books, that's awesome, and I really mean that but that doesn't mean everyone will, or mac users suddenly will see the light and move to Linux because that's a superior platform (it isn't)
Just my $.02 - I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, in that I have my perspective and logic, and you're using your own - I sort of see where you're coming from - I'll bow out of this, as its not really pertaining to the topic at hand
I bounce between Windows 11 and Ventura every day, and I find this to be absolutely true.
Neither OS has a slam-dunk advantage over the other for general use, IMO.
This ^^ although most are used to one or the other and that is fine I don't find Windows sluggish at all. I have my M2 MBA with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD which is a very fast machine. But when I switch to my windows machine it feels more responsive, enough that I notice it. Not bothered as both meet my needs.
Windows UI is really sluggish. Especially on 4K.
For example, my MBP has no lag when connected to LG 5K monitor. Expose works like a charm.
But my X1E gen4 has lag even without external monitor. It has a 4K screen.
But with windows, I don't get any lag with lower res screens. For example, X1C gen7 with FHD screen. No lag at all when using WinKey + Tab for 'Expose'.
Funny enough, no lag on my X1E with linux as well.
Good thing it isn't houses this is about, or cars for that matter.
Flipflopping between this 8 room mansion in Bel Air OR this 6 room mansion in Dubai.. choosy doozy
Flipflopping between this 8 room mansion in Bel Air OR this 6 room mansion in Dubai.. choosy doozy
This is part of the real problem I would guess. My gaming PC works just fine. There are a few pieces of Mac only software that is tough to replace (Vellum, DevonThink, Alfred) or it would be a lot easier.
Also, Advanced Data Protection (which I have enabled) makes it really easy to stay with Apple.
Then again, I can save so much money selling my MBA 16/512 and M1 iPad Pro and going with a Surface Pro 8! Gah! Why do I do this to myself?
The reason is that both are actually decent and easy to use for the most part. The best was when I could install windows on my MacBook, but since that isn't a realistic option anymore, part of me does love the idea of only having one thing to lug around.
Round and round I go...
To me, Windows feels snappier. I noticed that immediately when I switched back from Mac to Windows a couple of years ago: every single action is a fraction of a second faster in Windows — even on a 9-year-old PC. I have disabled animations on both systems as much as I could.
As an example, here's a discussion with similar observations:
As an example, here's a discussion with similar observations:
My experience is the polar opposite. Especially file operations
Maybe I don't express myself very well since English isn't my native language (no sarcasm, I really mean it).
I'm not talking about file operations. I'm talking just about UI animations. For example, WinKey + Tab on X1 Carbon (FHD screen) works like a charm. Everything is smooth.
But on my X1E with 4K screen, it's really slow and choppy. And on every windows laptop I have tried, it's the same. HiDPi screens cause it to be choppy. MacOS or Linux don't have that issues. At all.
You have a macbook, try it out yourself. Use gestures or keyboard shortcuts to expose all opened apps.
If you have a 4K windows laptop, try it out. End result will always be the same. MacOS will work without any choppy animations, while Windows will be really choppy. It's easily seen.
Install Ubuntu for example on that same laptop. No choppiness at all. Now why is that? I have no idea.
yeah I agree with this.
It's always hard to really define because it's not that the mac is slow, far from it, the m1/m2 chips are amazingly fast. It's exactly as they say, windows UI feels snappier in use. If you only use a mac and never spend any time with windows, you wouldn't notice it.
It's almost like Mac spends a fraction of a second more time drawing ui/reacting.
Nothing that would matter if you use a mac all the time, but when I bounce from windows to mac I really notice it.
I understood you, and your grasp of English is better then mine
The actual file i/o is faster, but using file explorer for example is so much better then Finder. I find the UI in macOS, to be a tad slow at times, where as for windows things seem just a bit more snappy.
I understood you, and your grasp of English is better then mine
The actual file i/o is faster, but using file explorer for example is so much better then Finder. I find the UI in macOS, to be a tad slow at times, where as for windows things seem just a bit more snappy.
As I said, if you have a 4K laptop sitting around, just try to use WinKey + Tab. You'll get my point. If it isn't HiDPi screen, everything is snappy and works like a charm. As far as file i/o, I have no comments on that part, since I don't transfer large amount of files daily.
Finder is a joke. But so is File Explorer imho. Which one is better? Don't know, don't really care. On both platforms I tend to use alternatives
EDIT:
I'm waiting on Thinkpad Z16, 4K OLED. Since it's an all AMD laptop, tend to use it with PopOS.
But I will record a video about what I'm talking about once I get it in my hands. That is, before I nuke my Windows install. Windows will remain on my workstation PC.
The only 4k display I have is on my Lenovo X1e and that uses an under powered GPU, so everything feels slow. I tried playing some games on that and it was painful.
I have an 11th gen I7, coupled with a RTX 2060 on my desktop, and it drives a 35" ultra-wide 3440 x 1440 and performance is great. I know 3440 x 1440 is not 4k, but that's the best I can do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Windows has been snappier than macOS forever - I can remember discussing it with a friend who bought a brand new G4 Cube in 2000, and compared it directly with his PC that ran Windows 98.
That's 23 years ago now... so it must be something fundamental to how Apple and Microsoft build their OSes.
That's 23 years ago now... so it must be something fundamental to how Apple and Microsoft build their OSes.
Doesn't matter what GPU you use. It will always lag on laptops with 4K screen. But connect it to your ultrawide monitor, turn of internal display, and it won't lag. My best guess it has something to do with scaling. But it's just an guess.
For example, take any MBP from 2015 for example. Connect it to two 4K displays, don't turn of internal screen. Expose won't lag at all. Even though it has far worse GPU than X1E 1st gen.
I would record a video straight away, but can't, since I use just PopOS on my X1E. And have no plans on removing PopOS just to record a small video. But will gladly do it once Z16 arrives (2-3 weeks, since it's from ebay US).
All I know is I think y’all are mental from my experience. I don’t use underpowered equipment and mac OSX has always felt really fast to me. Way back to my ibook days (won’t go back to the days of Apple ][e…).
However, I have been building my own PCs for over two decades and used Win98 in the first one. As long as the machine is specced appropriately it will feel plenty fast.
In full disclosure, I always have a government locked down laptop that could be teaching me a new definition of slow so I am comparing both experiences to that?
However, I have been building my own PCs for over two decades and used Win98 in the first one. As long as the machine is specced appropriately it will feel plenty fast.
In full disclosure, I always have a government locked down laptop that could be teaching me a new definition of slow so I am comparing both experiences to that?
If talking about "fast" maybe we'd better leave the Apple II series out of the conversation! LOL
I remember how saving a document seemed to take forever on the Apple II... Some might have joked the Macintosh SE's SE stood for Sluggish Engineering--but that was a huge leap in performance.
No news on the job prospect yet, it's a slow process that could take months and ultimately not come off.
I'm using my Pixel 5 and work laptop still, they get the job done for now. As more time passes the more I am sure Apple isn't the route for me.
If I stay put job wise I'm thinking a custom PC and the new Samsung S9 ViewFinity 27" 5K monitor, which is out sometime early this year.
If I move jobs then it will be a corporate laptop and an external monitor (probably a 4K Dell). I'll need something then for my personal computing which will probably be a custom PC, nothing crazy, using the same monitor via KVM switch.
I have a Pixel Watch coming, brand new sealed, that I got for £140. I'm close to pulling the trigger on another Pixel 7.
Edit:
Pixel 7 in white ordered.
I'm using my Pixel 5 and work laptop still, they get the job done for now. As more time passes the more I am sure Apple isn't the route for me.
If I stay put job wise I'm thinking a custom PC and the new Samsung S9 ViewFinity 27" 5K monitor, which is out sometime early this year.
If I move jobs then it will be a corporate laptop and an external monitor (probably a 4K Dell). I'll need something then for my personal computing which will probably be a custom PC, nothing crazy, using the same monitor via KVM switch.
I have a Pixel Watch coming, brand new sealed, that I got for £140. I'm close to pulling the trigger on another Pixel 7.
Edit:
Pixel 7 in white ordered.
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So which ever way I look at it I will be building a custom PC, but if I get this new job then I'll be using the KVM switch. Otherwise this will be my main work PC.
Here's what I've gone with, no GPU for the time being as I don't have any games I want to play. a 4K 60hz monitor, the best Dell offer. I think something like a 4070 Ti would be a good match when they drop heavily in price.
It will be a blacked out build of course, the RGB fans swapped for the Silent Wings 4. Going with BeQuiet! this time over Noctua for a change.
Here's what I've gone with, no GPU for the time being as I don't have any games I want to play. a 4K 60hz monitor, the best Dell offer. I think something like a 4070 Ti would be a good match when they drop heavily in price.
It will be a blacked out build of course, the RGB fans swapped for the Silent Wings 4. Going with BeQuiet! this time over Noctua for a change.
Do you know something I don't? (well everyone knows something I don't
)Of all of the companies, Nvidia is low on the list to heavily drop any price. AMD on the other hand missed an opportunity. They mentioned in the last investors call that they're reducing manufacturing to reduce supply thus keep prices elevated. They had an opportunity to grab marketshare from Nvidia but chose to fill their coffers. They'd also generate goodwill and positivity but instead want to maximize profits.
Back to Nvidia, I just don't see any reason as to why we'll see significant price cuts on the 4070 Ti