You are likely correct, I think I priced it with the Ultra at the time. But the Max would have been sufficient.
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Here's where I think lack of knowledge can makes assumptions a bad idea. You're presuming the gaming industry is all about loot boxes and microtransactions and that's simply not the case. I'll not disagree there's a hefty mix of AAA games that go down that path but they're not the majority imo, and many many games offer entertainment.
What I mean by this, is some people love movies, or reading a book, or going out for a hike. That's something they enjoy. Games can and are very much in the same vain as that, and can be for many people just as sociable as a night out bowling with their friends.
I totally get that games is not your bag, Its like when I go camping in February in minus -10 degrees, its not everyone's bag but its what I enjoy. I think since you're out of the loop with what's actually available, I'd probably not look to say how bad the industry is if you've not played any games in years. Again, there's a lot of wrong with the gaming industry, but there's a lot of right as well.
Finally, for many people its not a waste of time, its a diversion and as I said a means for entertainment. It may be a waste of time for you, and I totally respect that, but games themselves are not a waste of time, its all in the eye of the beholder
I'll get off my soapbox now
I stopped playing games 10+ years ago. Even though I work as gamedev.
But in the last 2-3 years there are occasional games that I do play. All of them are indie games, and each has been really intriguing. No microtransactions, no huge budget, or lots of bugs, etc. Almost every one of them has something unique that no other game offers.
And almost all of them work on Win/MacOS/Linux.
For games like those, MacOS is the best platform with M-series chips. Simply because MBP makes almost no fan noise while I play. But they almost all work on any OS. So I tend not to pick my OS based on gaming, since it really doesn't matter to me. At all.
But in the last 2-3 years there are occasional games that I do play. All of them are indie games, and each has been really intriguing. No microtransactions, no huge budget, or lots of bugs, etc. Almost every one of them has something unique that no other game offers.
And almost all of them work on Win/MacOS/Linux.
For games like those, MacOS is the best platform with M-series chips. Simply because MBP makes almost no fan noise while I play. But they almost all work on any OS. So I tend not to pick my OS based on gaming, since it really doesn't matter to me. At all.
There was a time in my early adulthood that I stopped playing games. I felt it was too consuming and I'd spend much if not all of my available time playing. At one point as I was preparing to go to bed, I thought what did I accomplish today? Nothing, I sat in front of the computer for 8+ hours playing games.
I quit cold turkey and instead looked to find other activities that provided more positives for me. I started biking, running, going to the gym, hiking, camping. I feel now that I have a healthy work, home, play life balance where I can spend some time playing games because its a fun activity but also do other things.
I guess what I'm saying is for me, I went over board, and anything overdone can be unhealthy. Wine is considered to have significant heath benefits - if you drink 1 or 2 glasses. Spend hours drinking its much much worse. Moderation is key to so many things in life
I used to spend a lot of time gaming. Starcraft 2, Warcraft 3, and Pro Evolution Soccer used to be my drugs.
That's the reason I got interested in gamedev. But I didn't quit cold turkey. I simply quit. Not on purpose, not planned or anything. For some reason I got bored while gaming. Work/Wife/Kids probably contributed to that.
But for a few years, I used to compel myself to play some games. Why? Because I needed to see what other gamedevs were doing. But my game choice was wrong. Everything was AA or AAA+ games. Besides Witcher series, I hated each of the games I've bought. I would spend 30-60 min / per game, and never play it again.
But somehow got into trying indie games. Those mostly don't take much of my time, and are quite enjoyable. I guess my gaming is about 1-2-3 hours per week. So basically, almost nothing. I spend most of my time working, with family, or sports (soccer, tennis and gym).
But some people spend most of their time on games, or pubs, or whatever. I've decided that my time is better spent on learning new things, or trying to stay fit and healthy. But once a week, I like to visit a pub and enjoy a few glasses of wine or beer with my friends.
Like you said, moderation is the key.
it has happened: just ordered a new Windows laptop to finally replace my trusty old one from 2010...
mainly to install some Linux distro on it, but still 😂
still debatting wether i should keep Windows installed as i'd actually have a good malware scanner on board...
as i've never used a multi OS system before (Windows 95+MS-DOS doesn't count 🤓) i'm still not 100% sure if i can use Defender from my Windows partition to scan the Linux partition, but i guess it should
mainly to install some Linux distro on it, but still 😂
still debatting wether i should keep Windows installed as i'd actually have a good malware scanner on board...
as i've never used a multi OS system before (Windows 95+MS-DOS doesn't count 🤓) i'm still not 100% sure if i can use Defender from my Windows partition to scan the Linux partition, but i guess it should
4080 is being returned, massive amounts of coil whine which for a GPU that has really good acoustics is a massive disappointment. Going to get a refund and decided to jump on a used 3080 founders edition for £480. Much more palatable than the £1200 4080 for my casual gaming needs.
yep that's what I ended up doing, 3080 is killing it for me, no need for anything else and as I sit here using the system for "normal non gaming" stuff, it's silent.
Coil whine is AWFUL
I have a cisco switch that has the most awful whine.yep that's what I ended up doing, 3080 is killing it for me, no need for anything else and as I sit here using the system for "normal non gaming" stuff, it's silent.
Coil whine is AWFUL
I've seen the tech reviewer channels complaining about the latest nVidia stuff and at these prices, they really should be perfect.
yeah agreed. Over the years I've had some right old arguments with retailers when I've returned something because of coil whine. Favourites include "it's just your ears you need to get checked out" "it's so you know it's working" "it's normal but so high pitched that only dogs should be able to hear it" "don't worry it'll stop soon" and of course, in first place "you won't notice it when you've got the volume up on a game so don't you think you're being a bit silly?"
Needless to say, I now just return it with no reason given and move on.
Wow, I've tried to keep up on the latest and greatest and this is the first time I'm hearing about coil whine being a significant issue - I'm not doubting you guys, on the contrary I'm happy to see this come out and I'm now all the more wary.
Here's hoping my wife doesn't think this of me
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there's been a rather good thread on the S23u over at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/samsung-galaxy-s23-and-s23-ultra.2370583/page-89
I've had a good time over there learning the S23u and batting back and forth the ios android stuff
Honestly for the first year ever, I feel like even for an apple fanboi like myself, samsung have matched/beaten apple in most areas. (obviously the 89 page thread over there has some disagreement about various bits ;-)
there's been a rather good thread on the S23u over at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/samsung-galaxy-s23-and-s23-ultra.2370583/page-89
I've had a good time over there learning the S23u and batting back and forth the ios android stuff
Honestly for the first year ever, I feel like even for an apple fanboi like myself, samsung have matched/beaten apple in most areas. (obviously the 89 page thread over there has some disagreement about various bits ;-)
I had some frustrations setting up the S23 Ultra with some of the Google apps I use, mainly the Google Password Manager not working in some places. The other annoyance is Samsung trying to shove it's own versions of Google's apps in the way and having to work around them. Google Assistant and Wallet for example can be used but they get a reduced experience. I just don't think it's for me so going back to my Pixel 5 and going to see how the Pixel 7a and Pixel 8 turn out. Shame as the cameras look really good.
This is my biggest issue with Samsung, the hardware is great, but redundant apps that you can't easily remove.
Not all bloatware is created equal.
I'm only mildly irritated by bloatware that can easily and completely removed. And actually, I'd buy a computer that had twice as much bloatware at half the price. Back-in-the-day (1990's), I actually owned an eMachine that was free... the only caveat, I had to watch ads on it.
But there is bloatware, that can't be removed. Microsoft is a big offender... but Apple is worse. There are so many preloaded apps that cannot be deleted.
I used to have a standard routine from removing third-party programs and it was just the standard amount of time to set up a new machine. I kept my old system and allocated about 3 days to set up a new system (including installing Windows Updates which could take a few days). Some things were hard to remove.
Apple does have a lot of programs that come with macOS though you can remove them. There's also a lot of stuff that is just part of the OS that many may not need but I imagine that it's easier for unsophisticated users if the functionality is already there instead of having to be installed manually. I have to frequently install Windows pieces to get additional functionality. It's easy for me as I'm used to it but novice users may be put off by having to do it.
I prefer to install clean for Windows but that's definitely more work on laptops than desktops.
I agree with what you wrote except the part that I have bolded. You CANNOT remove most of the bloatware that comes with Mac OS.
The typical response to requests for assistance in removing Apple bloatware is, "these apps aren't large and aren't taking up much space so just leave them alone". (which itself is not true of all of the bloatware)
You can remove Number, Pages, etc. There are a lot of features that you can't remove though.
Many don't
Surface as you mentioned.
Razer, only has their app for controlling RGB.
Lenovo, is pretty clean and only their Vantage App.
MSI is pretty clean,
Framework is good.
I think Asus only has Asus apps installed and no bloatware like McAfee,
I think some of Acer's gaming laptops don't have anything other then their own apps.