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For Those Not Upgrading, What Could Apple Have Done to Convince You?
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I've been waiting two years for this upgrade. I was 100% ready to buy a new MacBook Pro. All they needed to do was add (or I should say leave):
1. At least two USB ports. They can add the USB-C port, but they should not have removed all the other ports. That's stupid. 99% of all third party items still use the USB port...EVEN THEIR NEW IPHONE 7!
That's it. Not difficult is it? I have two hard drives, at least 4-5 flash drives, iPad, iPod Shuffle and iPhone 7. All of which I cannot connect to the new MacBook Pro. No, I do not want to carry around a bunch of stupid "dongles" and adapters when the computer costs $1500+. That's stupid. Apple is crazy and their earnings report will reflect this.
It would not have been difficult to leave two USB ports on the right side of the laptop. Not difficult at all.
1. At least two USB ports. They can add the USB-C port, but they should not have removed all the other ports. That's stupid. 99% of all third party items still use the USB port...EVEN THEIR NEW IPHONE 7!
That's it. Not difficult is it? I have two hard drives, at least 4-5 flash drives, iPad, iPod Shuffle and iPhone 7. All of which I cannot connect to the new MacBook Pro. No, I do not want to carry around a bunch of stupid "dongles" and adapters when the computer costs $1500+. That's stupid. Apple is crazy and their earnings report will reflect this.
It would not have been difficult to leave two USB ports on the right side of the laptop. Not difficult at all.
Would have bought 15" if any ONE of these was true
1) Price was a $200 less
2) entry storage was 512GB
3) SD slot, at least one USB 3.0 port remained and Apple adopted MagSafe to USB-C (Kensington already has such a cable, so it exists, Apple just didn't want to go to the expense).
4) SD slot, at least one USB 3.0 port remained and Apple kept the existing MBP keyboard
Also would be more inclinded to "think about it" as-is if Apple included a snap-on adapter that added USB 3.0 and SD slots (again already exists, sells for about $40 on Amazon) AND an HDMI adapter.
BUT I will likely buy next round no matter what. Guessing that won't be until 3rd or 4thQ next year and my 2012 will be 5 years old and I won't be able to hold off anymore.
1) Price was a $200 less
2) entry storage was 512GB
3) SD slot, at least one USB 3.0 port remained and Apple adopted MagSafe to USB-C (Kensington already has such a cable, so it exists, Apple just didn't want to go to the expense).
4) SD slot, at least one USB 3.0 port remained and Apple kept the existing MBP keyboard
Also would be more inclinded to "think about it" as-is if Apple included a snap-on adapter that added USB 3.0 and SD slots (again already exists, sells for about $40 on Amazon) AND an HDMI adapter.
BUT I will likely buy next round no matter what. Guessing that won't be until 3rd or 4thQ next year and my 2012 will be 5 years old and I won't be able to hold off anymore.
I agree with a lot of what you said, as I'm still using a 2011 15" MBP with an SSD and 8GB RAM, but for the sake of playing devil's advocate:
- 4k would kill battery life and increase heat.
- Newest CPU doesn't offer much more than the one they used.
- External memory is cheaper than ever before, as is cloud (amazon, Apple, etc.) and online storage.
- New body style shouldn't dictate a purchase - internals should.
But, like I said, I agree with you in that I can wait. I just hope Apple doesn't add 4k resolution or up the entry level memory (price increase) or go with the latest CPU released (price increase with not much performance increase), or redesign the body much (and pass off the R&D to consumers, through price).
I was upgrading from a maxed out MBA, and ready to pull the trigger.
Ended up buying a maxed out 2015 15" MBP last week.
the pricing was way better #1
comparable in speed/specs for my uses.
No 32 ram option, so again- no difference
Would not use the touch bar that much (work in VM's) along with OS X programs simultaneously
Ports- traveling with this allows me to use what I already own.
.5 lbs, no big deal
display, no biggie I don't use it outside- still a retina.
Ease of use with the monitors I have 24" ACD, and a 27" 4k in my other office when traveling
Magsafe- get to keep my chargers
I like the keyboard on mine better.
Cons.
I like the other trackpad size better.
Ended up buying a maxed out 2015 15" MBP last week.
the pricing was way better #1
comparable in speed/specs for my uses.
No 32 ram option, so again- no difference
Would not use the touch bar that much (work in VM's) along with OS X programs simultaneously
Ports- traveling with this allows me to use what I already own.
.5 lbs, no big deal
display, no biggie I don't use it outside- still a retina.
Ease of use with the monitors I have 24" ACD, and a 27" 4k in my other office when traveling
Magsafe- get to keep my chargers
I like the keyboard on mine better.
Cons.
I like the other trackpad size better.
Lower price for me. I was DYING for an update. Then I liked the touch bar. And finally the price dropped and I closed the screen. lol It just isn't worth that tag. Whether I can afford it or not.
The decision to go with Intel HD 530 is a very logical one.
The point of the integrated graphics is to be more energy efficient when there is no need for the discrete AMD GPU.
Going Iris graphics would simply make the integrated GPU more energy consuming while the only advantage would be faster graphics for more demanding task, something that will never be used since the AMD discrete GPU will kick in at this moment.
So basically going Iris would have only achieved more energy consumption.
I hope apple reconsiders this for their next update.........or make the laptop WAYY cheaper than it is atm.
17-inch hi-res anti-glare, no touch bar, and instead of space gray, went with a flat black option like the iPhone 7
My rational brain is saying not to upgrade, but my emotional brain is saying shiny new Apple product, must unbox and use.
I know what you mean. I may get a loaded 13" mbp for my wife to do her development, and steal it occasionally.
The 13" with Touch Bar costs $1800. At that already high price point, there is only 8 GB RAM. Putting 16 GB on all 13" with Touch Bar models is something Apple could have done differently to help convince me to go for an upgrade.
What in the 2016 13" would have made me buy it immediately (and I already have a 2015 13"):
- Keep the same form factor, no need for thinner and lighter
- Keep the same battery size for a 15-16 hours battery life
- Keep the same ports, swap the TB2 ports with USB-C ports
- Option for touch ID only, no touch bar.
I couldn't care less for the touch bar. Working with my IDE and Linux terminal, I need Esc and F keys all the time, I don't want to hold down Fn to access them thank you very much.
- Keep the same form factor, no need for thinner and lighter
- Keep the same battery size for a 15-16 hours battery life
- Keep the same ports, swap the TB2 ports with USB-C ports
- Option for touch ID only, no touch bar.
I couldn't care less for the touch bar. Working with my IDE and Linux terminal, I need Esc and F keys all the time, I don't want to hold down Fn to access them thank you very much.
I was getting caught up in the hype prior to the media event, no question. I've been a long time Mac user and while I've been a bit disappointed with Apple and the Macs of late, I did buy an iMac last year and its been fantastic.
With that said, I think the current MBPs misses the mark for me for the following reasons
No SD card slot, no HDMI, no MagSafe connector, I do't like the force touch touch pad and I hate the keyboard.
While the first two issues are easily solved with dongles/devices, I carry enough crap, and the odds of losing or forgetting them is high.
I've said this multiple times, but it bears repeating, I hate that apple removed the magsafe connector, It has saved my computer from disaster a number of times. I guess there's third party products filling that need, which is a plus, but I do hate the fact that its missing. Its not just that I'm clumsey, but when you're in a hotel room with the laptop on a table and someone walks by they may very well trip over it. That's what happened last month with my Surface Book (it has an easy detach connector), and the connector flew off and my laptop was safe. Going to shows and conferences where I'm sitting by a plug and charging up my laptop, same risk applies, someone not noticing what they're doing trips over the cord...
As for the latter two, I suppose I could get used to the touch pad, or use a mouse, the real show stopper is the keyboard, I simply hate the butterfly keyboard and feel that there was no reason to put it in a high end laptop, other then Apple wanting to make a thinner laptop which was not necessary
With that said, I think the current MBPs misses the mark for me for the following reasons
No SD card slot, no HDMI, no MagSafe connector, I do't like the force touch touch pad and I hate the keyboard.
While the first two issues are easily solved with dongles/devices, I carry enough crap, and the odds of losing or forgetting them is high.
I've said this multiple times, but it bears repeating, I hate that apple removed the magsafe connector, It has saved my computer from disaster a number of times. I guess there's third party products filling that need, which is a plus, but I do hate the fact that its missing. Its not just that I'm clumsey, but when you're in a hotel room with the laptop on a table and someone walks by they may very well trip over it. That's what happened last month with my Surface Book (it has an easy detach connector), and the connector flew off and my laptop was safe. Going to shows and conferences where I'm sitting by a plug and charging up my laptop, same risk applies, someone not noticing what they're doing trips over the cord...
As for the latter two, I suppose I could get used to the touch pad, or use a mouse, the real show stopper is the keyboard, I simply hate the butterfly keyboard and feel that there was no reason to put it in a high end laptop, other then Apple wanting to make a thinner laptop which was not necessary
What bothers me the most is the dongle crap, I could possibly live with the keyboard (maybe, big maybe, probably not) but I will not carry any dongles or additional cables with me.
So my new dream macbook would have probably have the same connections as the last one (esp. magsafe) and also the old keyboard. The size and the weight could have been the same so they probably could have fit a bigger battery inside.
I am also a big enemy of the touch bar I don't need it and I don't want it. In my opinion this is just an unnecessary energy consumer.
So my new dream macbook would have probably have the same connections as the last one (esp. magsafe) and also the old keyboard. The size and the weight could have been the same so they probably could have fit a bigger battery inside.
I am also a big enemy of the touch bar I don't need it and I don't want it. In my opinion this is just an unnecessary energy consumer.
Well stated maflynn..
All of these exact reasons is why I just bought the 2015 15" love it btw. Should last me 4-5 years and 1k or better in savings.
I could not justify the price difference to top it all off. Local Apple store owed me one and I called in the card on the last one in stock.
Here's my list...
- Retaining two USB-A ports
- Retaining SD card slot
- Including a MagSafe-like to USB-C power cable (breakaway cable)
- Using at least an Nvidia GTX 1060M to power the 15"
- Keyboard with proper key travel and feel
- Max out battery capacity
- 32GB RAM option I don't care if its not super low power