Ha, well, all the old devices do still work with the new machine, it's just you need adapters now. That lack of convenience does allow Apple to maximize the power of the ports, if you look on the bright side.
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For Those Not Upgrading, What Could Apple Have Done to Convince You?
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Ha, well, all the old devices do still work with the new machine, it's just you need adapters now. That lack of convenience does allow Apple to maximize the power of the ports, if you look on the bright side.
Personally i don´t think they will every go back to the magsafe(USB-C is universal compared to it).
Something about having to spend more money to make something "work" with your current workflow without significantly making you more productive after you just bought it doesn't seem right.
I was with you, until the 1080. There is no way that will EVER happen.
With the 1050/1050ti @ 75 tdp, 1060 @ 80 tdp, 1070 @ 110 tdp, and 1080 @ 150 tdp, Apple does not care about Nvidia, unfortunately. As long as AMD has MUCH lower tdp, AND can power 3*4k monitors, Apple will not give NVidia a second look.
Personally, I would like a slimmed down version of the 2012 cMBP - thinner/lighter with 5 years of internal improvements, retina screen, lots of updated ports, and the ability to be user serviceable(RAM and storage). Apple was able to fit in the 750M and Radeon R9 M370X into the rMBP @ 50 tdp, so with advancements in thermal design, the 1050(ti) would be the MAX I could see Apple allowing in a laptop. But as you see from signature, this will NEVER happen, becauase VVVVVVVV
Antiglare screen, SD-slot, option to get a dGPU-free version of the 15"...
(the dGPU's kills battery and gets too hot - they are going to start crack up/burn up in two years time, I'm shure - it's 2011 again)
Now I bought an apartment instead and will keep using my current mac laptops (a MBP17 from 2009 and a mba11 from 2014) until it's unbearable.
(the dGPU's kills battery and gets too hot - they are going to start crack up/burn up in two years time, I'm shure - it's 2011 again)
Now I bought an apartment instead and will keep using my current mac laptops (a MBP17 from 2009 and a mba11 from 2014) until it's unbearable.
My opinion:
- 1050/1050ti;
- 32gb;
- Anti glare screen;
Then i can pay the amount of money they ask.
And yes, willing to keep their SSD and all USB-C ports.
But, always imho, they could have kept the same "shell". It was already tremendously slim, no real need to make it thinner.
- 1050/1050ti;
- 32gb;
- Anti glare screen;
Then i can pay the amount of money they ask.
And yes, willing to keep their SSD and all USB-C ports.
But, always imho, they could have kept the same "shell". It was already tremendously slim, no real need to make it thinner.
I'm not sure why people are hung up on the USB ports. I have a ton of "old" usb devices, but also already a couple of new ones (chromebook, phone). It's awfully convenient with USB-C, having a connector that fits both ways is awesome. Sure I have to use some adapter occasionally, but it's really no problem. Things are changing quick here, you won't see a microusb device released this year. Soon everything will be usb-c, and it won't take long (and no, not because apple it pushing it, because everyone in the tech industry is).
And for magsafe, it's really not that problematic to order one of these, or any of the 300 other versions out there: https://griffintechnology.com/intl/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable
I'd like to see:
32GB ram, micro sd card slot (all my cameras / devices use micro, regular is just too big), less noisy keyboard, some external display port (hdmi or dp, both works), better support for eGPU's.
I'd rathe have a dGPU-less macbook that I can easilly dock to like a Razer Core-type of enclosure where I can keep whatever fancy GPU I want, than have a battery draining one built in. When you're running on battery power, you really don't need the GPU often anyway. Sure the Razer works as it is now, but takes some fiddling and could use some updated drivers. But we're getting there!
And for magsafe, it's really not that problematic to order one of these, or any of the 300 other versions out there: https://griffintechnology.com/intl/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable
I'd like to see:
32GB ram, micro sd card slot (all my cameras / devices use micro, regular is just too big), less noisy keyboard, some external display port (hdmi or dp, both works), better support for eGPU's.
I'd rathe have a dGPU-less macbook that I can easilly dock to like a Razer Core-type of enclosure where I can keep whatever fancy GPU I want, than have a battery draining one built in. When you're running on battery power, you really don't need the GPU often anyway. Sure the Razer works as it is now, but takes some fiddling and could use some updated drivers. But we're getting there!
Forcing me to use USB-C for everything was the #1 reason I bought a new 2015 rMBP over the new 2016.
No Magsafe
No USB 3.0
No HDMI
Apple made a mistake by assuming their client base would be okay cutting the ports out cold turkey and forcing them to use not included dongles to use everyday features. No way... not yet at least.
Bought a new almost max equip 2015 for less than a base model 2016.
No Magsafe
No USB 3.0
No HDMI
Apple made a mistake by assuming their client base would be okay cutting the ports out cold turkey and forcing them to use not included dongles to use everyday features. No way... not yet at least.
Bought a new almost max equip 2015 for less than a base model 2016.
Please tell me, with a straight face, that this was the first time in the history of computing that this has happened.
Who said that? Whens the last time you had to buy all new cables or dongles just to attach a hard drive or charge your phone?
Well, when the old FireWire was deprecated, now with FW800 gone, and the DisplayPort (or whatever it was) to HDMI cable I have is useless and has been for almost five years, and I can't buy floppy discs for my old USB floppy drive anymore, and the ExpressCard adapter I had for CF and SD cards in my old MBP, and why would I look for CD-RW blanks for the old external burner I have, and....
And I didn't even buy my own computer until 1999. Imagine how many more useless gadgets and peripherals I would have accrued if I started buying computers thirty years ago.
Extra $500 + dongles for the touch bar and a few thunderbolt ports? Count me out. Yes it's a bit thinner but even some form of aesthetic change could have convinced me (gunmetal grey MBP, anyone?). The lack of Apple-shaped light is annoying too.
Actually it's $100 less than the initial cot of the comparable 2015 model for a better screen, better dGPU, faster SSD, better speakers, touch ID, touch bar, more powerful ports, quieter, cooler operation, better battery life, in a smaller, lighter package. And space gray.
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- Keep the 2015 rMBP chassis
- Put in 2x Thunderbolt 3 ports in place of the 2x Thunderbolt 2 ports
- Leave every other ports in their old place and their old functions
- Keep the 3.5mm jack with optical audio TOSLINK output
- Absolutely keep MagSafe, if it means no charging over USB-C then so be it
- put in the new DCI-P3 screen
- put in the same Skylake but with better Intel iGPU
- Radeon 460 is fine but ideally something better like the 480 or nVidia's cards
If they did this instead I would buy it in a heart beat even with the current price increase. In fact I bought a reburb 2015 rMBP after the 2016 announcement as it is a much more practical machine despite the internals being outclassed by the 2016.
The all USB-C version can come later this year after the transition model above:
- Use Kaby Lake
- Maybe use the new chassis but I don't care about the touchbar
- Can use all USB-C port but don't gimp half of their speed on the 13"
- Use that new terraced battery that they didn't get out
- Put in 2x Thunderbolt 3 ports in place of the 2x Thunderbolt 2 ports
- Leave every other ports in their old place and their old functions
- Keep the 3.5mm jack with optical audio TOSLINK output
- Absolutely keep MagSafe, if it means no charging over USB-C then so be it
- put in the new DCI-P3 screen
- put in the same Skylake but with better Intel iGPU
- Radeon 460 is fine but ideally something better like the 480 or nVidia's cards
If they did this instead I would buy it in a heart beat even with the current price increase. In fact I bought a reburb 2015 rMBP after the 2016 announcement as it is a much more practical machine despite the internals being outclassed by the 2016.
The all USB-C version can come later this year after the transition model above:
- Use Kaby Lake
- Maybe use the new chassis but I don't care about the touchbar
- Can use all USB-C port but don't gimp half of their speed on the 13"
- Use that new terraced battery that they didn't get out
I can live with everything except that I wish the ports on the left were magsafe, USB A (preferably 2), HDMI and an SD Card slot. They could have kept the 2 TB3 ports on the right. I would have bought the 15 on the spot
People don't want to admit this, but this laptop, bought now, will in all likelihood be obsolete by the time we have proper mass adoption of USB3/TB3 (If mass adoption even happens at all)
So I'll swapped out the battery on my late 2013 and will stick with it a year or two and see what happens
People don't want to admit this, but this laptop, bought now, will in all likelihood be obsolete by the time we have proper mass adoption of USB3/TB3 (If mass adoption even happens at all)
So I'll swapped out the battery on my late 2013 and will stick with it a year or two and see what happens
You didn't answer my question
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You can't even attach apples own lighting port equipped products, that came out the same year, to their newest macbook without most likely buying a 3rd party dongle.
Nothing they could have done my 2013 is still perfect for my needs. I do think the new ones seem to be the best portables on the market so if I did need one that's what I would go for... but I don't.
Its January, the dust as settled and I've had to time to think more about the MBP, in a less emotional manner.
I'd say that the MBPs as they are now offer a great OS X experience but at a high price.
I'm not sure I can justify purchasing a 15" that costs over 2 grand. I still think the touch bar is gimmicky, but overall it doesn't appear to be a bad machine.
I think I'll be waiting to see what the 2017 model introduces, I do expect them to put a tiered/shaped battery into it. Reports of them trying to do that for the 2016 model and running into some road blocks makes too much sense to be mere speculation.
Here's my thought. I don't think Apple could have done much different to win me over in 2016. A computer with more ports, ram, lower price is always something that we all want but that doesn't seem to be the Apple way. I'm not knocking Apple but just stating what they do, though I don't need more then 16GB of ram (my 8GB iMac is working perfectly well), but what they did with the MBP is in line with their beliefs and prior roll outs
I'd say that the MBPs as they are now offer a great OS X experience but at a high price.
I'm not sure I can justify purchasing a 15" that costs over 2 grand. I still think the touch bar is gimmicky, but overall it doesn't appear to be a bad machine.
I think I'll be waiting to see what the 2017 model introduces, I do expect them to put a tiered/shaped battery into it. Reports of them trying to do that for the 2016 model and running into some road blocks makes too much sense to be mere speculation.
Here's my thought. I don't think Apple could have done much different to win me over in 2016. A computer with more ports, ram, lower price is always something that we all want but that doesn't seem to be the Apple way. I'm not knocking Apple but just stating what they do, though I don't need more then 16GB of ram (my 8GB iMac is working perfectly well), but what they did with the MBP is in line with their beliefs and prior roll outs
The question I posed to you was, why are you upset now when Apple -- and every other computer hardware manufacturer -- has been dropping connection standards for decades?
Why wait until 2016 to suddenly become upset? Were you mad when you couldn't buy a Mac with a parallel port taking up half the back of the chassis? Where you mad when they dropped ADB? Were you mad when they adopted magnetic storage media and dropped punch cards?
1. I'm not upset
2. With my current workflow(and many, many other users) I'd no longer be able to use my long list of devices that use a non-USB c connection without spending even MORE money after buying the new macbook.
Basically the price tag that you see for the newest macbook isn't the actual cost to make it work how you'd like it to work.
The more I think about it there probably isn't one single customer who has bought the newest macbook that also hasn't bought new cables or dongles.
If Apple had left even one "standard" USB port, if not to only be able to charge their own iPhone, then even that would provide some relief and also still maintain the perception of being full featured.
I imagine that there is some version of the new macbook where they transferred the ports they REMOVED onto the charger puck.
Doing so would be as successful in pushing the rest of the computing world to USB-C as they would have been in pushing USB-A if the original iMac had retained a floppy drive.
Even Nintendo's getting on USB-C by using it to charge their new gaming system.
I guess a better comparison would be buying the newest model Mercedes Benz in an electric version vs a gas version.
Your gas card is no longer compatible with your new electric car, you're going to find other ways, and most likely spend more money after buying it, to "power" your vehicle to do what you bought it for.
I cancelled my order after reading about the new MBPro here. Not happy at all about the lack of ports. USB-C might be embraced by some but not me, yet.
For the first time in 8 years, I am looking at Windows 10 machines like the Surface Pro 4 and the Surface Book. Likely will wait till the Surface Pro 5
For the first time in 8 years, I am looking at Windows 10 machines like the Surface Pro 4 and the Surface Book. Likely will wait till the Surface Pro 5
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My next car may very well be electric, or at least it seems that way. The one I've got now is running well enough; when I bought it, I joked that I'd keep it until they stop selling gasoline. I didn't say it as a prediction, though, and with Germany setting a timeline for banning gas- and diesel-fueled engines, I'm surprised that it might come true, even here in the US.