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Counterfit said:
Heh, I just read that today, after reading about the Michigan State Police's annual cop car test. The Charger won every performance test and posted the best lap time, while the Crown Vic dominated the "communications and ergonomics" category for the cars.

Well considering how much larger the engine is in the Charger, I hope it would win the best times. The Crown Vic has become a favorite of the law enforcement not because it has the best performance, but because it is the last body on frame car built and is the most durable car built today. Imagine most cars being put through what a cop car takes in it's lifetime. Hitting the median at high rates of speeds, going over curbs, tapping cars to make them spin out, etc. This is pretty heavy duty stuff. I imagine the Charger will do fine, but no one really knows until it starts to serve fleet duty for the law enforcement. They live behind the wheel so "communications and ergonomics" (even if it sounds like a silly catagory) matters a lot. That big flat dash in the Crown Vic is great for mounting equipment.

You might be quick to laugh off a car like the Crown Vic, but it has it's place. Even though Ford has about 85% of the police market, it is probably not going to save the Crown Vic. There is not much profit in fleet sales. My guess is in 2 to 3 years, it will be gone. If you were going to choose a full sized car from Ford for a consumer purchase, the Five-Hundred is a much better car.

With all of this said...if Japanese cars are so much better then American cars, which everyone says, I wonder why they don't throw a Camry in this test or why states have not went to Toyota and made them offer a Camry for police and highway patrol duty. That would be a great test just to see how durable they really are compared to a car like the Crown Vic.
 
Foreign cars were mentioned in the article, but CNN's searching sucks, but you can find the full report here.

The article did mention that Subaru had expressed interest in submitting a car for the evaluation, but hadn't yet done so.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
if Japanese cars are so much better then American cars, which everyone says, I wonder why they don't throw a Camry in this test or why states have not went to Toyota and made them offer a Camry for police and highway patrol duty. That would be a great test just to see how durable they really are compared to a car like the Crown Vic.

Aren't police forces required to buy American cars? Government contracts often or usually require purchases to be American made.
 
miloblithe said:
Aren't police forces required to buy American cars? Government contracts often or usually require purchases to be American made.
Perhaps in some localities, but certainly not all. When I used to live in Colorado in the '80s, the Aspen police force all drove Saab Turbos.
 

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jazzmfk said:
How's this for Mr. Buford T. Justice?

Buford T. Justice... hahahahahahahahahahahaha :p

Buford T. Justice: But I'm in high speed pursuit. Don't you hear good?
Sheriff Branford: I hear perfectly. The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it.
Junior: What'd he say?
Buford T. Justice: Shut up! One **** at a time!

jazzmfk said:

Haven't the Italians got a Lamborghini Gallardo?

We've got Subaru Impreza WRX's and M5's in London. :D
 
All this talk about cars and no one mentions Mitsubishi (which in my humble opinion, when it comes to true automotive technology, is one of the best pound for pound manufacturers).

The best thing that could have happened to them was to get away from the DaimlerChrysler leash they've been under (now Mitsubishi Corp. controls their little baby). The new designs such as the iCar, the new Outlander, and my favorite Lancer Evo Concept X (which is 95% production vehicle-just take off the 20 inch rims and the tail lights) shows that desperate times call for desperate measures and they create bold designs. When this company is left alone and does its own designs its hard to beat aesthetically wise and performance wise.

Actually I am into automotive technology and I know for a fact that Mitsubishi is one of the companies that actually understates their engine performance numbers, and when comparing performance don't just compare horsepower, its much deeper than that, there are the aerodynamics, weight, and few other physics and math aspects involved with it all. Best advice, before criticizing any car, just go to the dealership and test drive it, numbers posted on websites don't mean squat to me, my friend has a Lancer Ralliart rated at 7.6 secs (or something like that) from 0-60mph and it definately is faster than that.

Some people don't need performance cars but I do, and pound for pound nothing beats the lancer price-performance-gas milage wise (Subaru WRX comes close but...)
 

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blitzkrieg79 said:
All this talk about cars and no one mentions Mitsubishi (which in my humble opinion, when it comes to true automotive technology, is one of the best pound for pound manufacturers).

Perhaps you haven't heard of all the QC issues surrounding Mitsubishi, all the recalls, problems, etc. This being the case, you'd probably find some interesting reading over here, specifically here and here, although there are countless other examples as well from reputable institutions such as JD Power & Associates on the lack of quality of these vehicles.
 
~Shard~ said:
Perhaps you haven't heard of all the QC issues surrounding Mitsubishi, all the recalls, problems, etc. This being the case, you'd probably find some interesting reading over here, specifically here and here, although there are countless other examples as well from reputable institutions such as JD Power & Associates on the lack of quality of these vehicles.

Gee, I was wondering when someone will bring up www.mitsubishisucks.com. Not a biased website afterall. Some angry Mitsubishi consumer started a site and had nothing better to do with his/her life than to follow Lancer emission recalls which is a software flash and they even didn't have to do it because it's not a major deal, all it does is makes the motor engine more efficient.

Let me put it from another perspective, Mitsubishi Trucks and Mitsubishi Motors are two different companies often associated by people with each other. The new Eclipse was designed by Americans in America (When Mitsu was still under DaimlerChrysler control) if you haven't known which explains the bad design choices, actually I am not a big fan of Eclipse as much as I am of the Lancer, and in all reality I haven't seen one car to date that wasn't recalled at least once (Mitsubishi or Not).

Now go back to the old days when Mitsubishi was it's own company and actually helped Chrysler survive. Mitsubishi gave us Galant VR-4, 3000GT (GTO in most countries), Lancer Evo, Pajero Evo, the 1998 Galant (that had coefficient of friction equal to the best sports cars in the world). All the Japaneesee designs were true marbles of engineering, considering how much smaller Mitsubishi Motors is/was than Toyota/Honda for the money I would definately pick them.

And the management team in USA really makes some dumb choices, they introduce Raider when GM was on a Employee Pricing spree and worst yet, I think the new Mitsubishi LS200 Pick Up looks million times better than the Raider but we won't have it on American market because of idiotic decisions, same thing goes for Grandis and Colt, those cars in their specific segments definately look modern and sleek but we won't have them here because of management decisions of DaimlerChrysler.

But now that Mitsubishi Motors is under its parent companys hands they'll definately come back.

As far as reliability goes, I had great experience with Mitsubishi and so does my family and friends.

If you want I can start a www.whichevercarsucks.com and find dirt on it too...
 
blitzkrieg79 said:
Gee, I was wondering when someone will bring up www.mitsubishisucks.com. Not a biased website afterall.

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If you want I can start a www.whichevercarsucks.com and find dirt on it too...

Wow, is it possible I posted that with so much sarcasm that it wasn't even noticeable? If so, I've outdone myself yet again! And such a thorough reply as well! :D

It brings me great joy to see that my bait post was so successful. Hook, line and sinker... :p ;) :cool:
 
Mercedes GL450.

I love it. 7 Passanger Mercedes SUV. Reminds me of a Lexus GX470 and a Land Rover LR3 (panoramic roof thing). The Dash could be better, but overall pretty cool IMO.

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~Shard~ said:
Wow, is it possible I posted that with so much sarcasm that it wasn't even noticeable? If so, I've outdone myself yet again! And such a thorough reply as well! :D

It brings me great joy to see that my bait post was so successful. Hook, line and sinker... :p ;) :cool:


Ohhhhh, but I take my cars seriously (I'm an emotional guy, some say its good, some say its bad), you can talk about everything you want but not my cars :p :p :p
 
blitzkrieg79 said:
Ohhhhh, but I take my cars seriously (I'm an emotional guy, some say its good, some say its bad), you can talk about everything you want but not my cars :p :p :p

Hey, fair enough man, I totally know what you mean. I have subscriptions to Sports Car International and a couple others myself. It's all in good fun, no hard feelings I hope... ;) :cool:
 
~Shard~ said:
Hey, fair enough man, I totally know what you mean. I have subscriptions to Sports Car International and a couple others myself. It's all in good fun, no hard feelings I hope... ;) :cool:


It's all good man :p Anyway, in all seriousness I don't want any company to go out of business as that means that hard working people are losing jobs (which is never fun) so hopefully GM can pull a trick (or two) up it's sleeve and turn around...
 
blitzkrieg79 said:
It's all good man :p Anyway, in all seriousness I don't want any company to go out of business as that means that hard working people are losing jobs (which is never fun) so hopefully GM can pull a trick (or two) up it's sleeve and turn around...

Yeah I hear ya - it will be interesting to see how they address all of their challenges this year. Unfortunately, I still see Toyota surpassing them in 2006, as I just don't think GM will be able to right the ship in time...
 
blitzkrieg79 said:
All this talk about cars and no one mentions Mitsubishi (which in my humble opinion, when it comes to true automotive technology, is one of the best pound for pound manufacturers).

Mitsubishi builds a decent automobile, but haven't they lost marketshare in record numbers over the past few years? I think they went from selling around 300,000 vehicles in the US a few years back to about 150,000 this past year. I would have to find the data to back it up that statement however. I just remember reading an article that spoke about their problems and I remember they had a lot of issues at least in the US market. When it comes to the smaller Japanese auto companies, Mitsubishi lost a lot of marketshare, but Mazda has been gaining it. Of course, the Mazda3 and the Mazda6 have done a lot to help their sales.
 
danny_w said:
Perhaps in some localities, but certainly not all. When I used to live in Colorado in the '80s, the Aspen police force all drove Saab Turbos.

Was Saab not owned by GM back then?
 
kiwi-in-uk said:
"GM acquired a 50% stake in Saab of Sweden in 1989, taking full ownership in 2000"
From here
OK, so that means that Saab was definitely foreign at the time ('81-'82). The word at the time was that the Aspen police department had a crack ski team that competed and used the money to buy the Saabs (pretty expensive comparatively).
 
CompUser said:
Mercedes GL450.

I love it. 7 Passanger Mercedes SUV. Reminds me of a Lexus GX470 and a Land Rover LR3 (panoramic roof thing). The Dash could be better, but overall pretty cool IMO.

hm i don't see anything about it on the german site ... looks like it's a north america only model .. just like the longer R

i wonder how they could put a G on that thing... looks like the mercedes offroader workhorse becomes a fancy modern SUV with leaving his military heavy duty roots behind
 
blitzkrieg79 said:
Ohhhh, yeah thats the one lol It's all emotions man, I was in a heat of emotions/heated debate, couldn't think too straight...
Well, coefficient of friction (both static and, er, the other kind. Sliding?) are important in how efficient a car is, especially in the drive train (pistons, various gears and shafts, transmission) and part of the suspension (bearings).
 
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