That does not make any sense. Apple did not become a successful company because of the touch bar feature. It was always a successful company, owing largely to the success of the iPhone. Successful companies make wrong decisions all the time. There are a lot of people who agree with this guy. And that became clear from the outcry that followed launching of those Macbooks. The outcry that Apple took notice of. He can have an opinion about this as much as you and I can.
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Former Apple Employee Thinks Touch Bar Shouldn't Be Forced on Users Who Want Highest-End MacBook Pro
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+1 for acknowledging there's two issues here: some people need the function keys, even if they also love the touch bar.Apple created a false choice here.
But such users would likely have their hands on the keyboard already, so pressing the "Fn" key to bring up the function keys should be a non-issue, right? Are there use cases where someone would use the function keys one-handed?
I feel like my nTb 2016 base w a beautiful looking screen (since screen lottery is rampant on these MacBook pros) is the premium model
Minus just Two USB-c Ports but not an issue for me especially coming from one USB-c port
They could have just put the strip above the F Keys as an option or made it a replacement option.
Yeah this is the thing, the new iMac Pro just has a standard keyboard, they could have included one with a touchbar with it, for the five grand starting price of the computer if nothing else.
Apple is selling more computers because of what?
Because of the touch bar and many other features like the Butterfly Keyboard, USB-C ports, etc. than many people here say they are bad.
Hey you hate it? That’s probably a good indicator that the general public loves it!
Apple controls both the software and the hardware. There are no design or engineering challenges, only marketing and accounting challenges here.
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Don't like the message, shoot the messenger. Am I right?
The answer already exists. The 13 inch pro without the Touch Bar costs less than the one with Touch Bar.
Full disk encryption doesn't require that chip, touch bar, soldered SSD or RAM in anyway.
Exactly. It does not belong on a "pro" machine, not like there's anything "pro" about them anymore....
Funny how Apple sold a LOT of refurb 2015 MBP models when the new gimmicky "pros" came out.....
Imagine they didn't even include backlit keys on the new dedicated keyboard for a 5k machine on 2017 after decades of feedback, let alone the crapbar, typical Cook penny-pinching move.
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The TouchBar may not have been successful, as evidenced by the fact that the new iMacs didn't offer a TouchBar keyboard even as an option. Even the iMac Pro was pictured with a non-TouchBar keyboard. If the TouchBar were as popular as Apple no doubt hoped, I think we'd be seeing it across the Mac lineup at this point. Instead, we seem to be seeing the opposite. I suspect it will stick around for a while as Apple doesn't like to admit mistakes, but we will see non-TB models added to the MacBook lineup before TB dies a slow death.
The idea wasn't without merit, but it had downsides for many. And I'll be Apple realizes that at this point.
The idea wasn't without merit, but it had downsides for many. And I'll be Apple realizes that at this point.
The touch bar was the reason I bought a Windows 2-in-1 back in January over another Mac. Something I have not done since 2001. And you know what, it really is a great machine. The touch screen is great on a laptop and being able to use it as a tablet with a pen input for editing and reviewing photos is a Godsend. Apple would have been better served putting that R&D money into a 2-in-1 design and getting macOS to play nicely with touch.
And Win10 is actually decent.
Should Apple get their heads out of their A$$es I'd be back in a heartbeat.
And Win10 is actually decent.
Should Apple get their heads out of their A$$es I'd be back in a heartbeat.
I absolutely agree. The touchbar is a gimmick and is a factor is a ludicrous price hike. The fingerprint sensor is useful. Having the function keys removed is stupid - replacing them with non-tacile versions. F-Keys and especially the Escape key are not outdated, and there's still a great need for them - even in Apple's own applications.
I'm hoping in future revisions, there will be an option of a MacBook Pro sans the touch bar.
iMac Pro isn't a laptop. Its not portable.
I'm hoping in future revisions, there will be an option of a MacBook Pro sans the touch bar.
iMac Pro isn't a laptop. Its not portable.
I kinda think OP doesn't know what an analogy is unless he thinks the TB can prevent crashes.
Funny how on the second quarter of sale, the growth was even bigger than the first...
Funny how the ASP also grew...
Funny how you don’t have any proof for your statement and yet you somehow expect anyone to take it.
If he is a Moaning Murtle what does that make you? A Sycophant Sally? An Apple Allie? Lemming Lucy? Groupthink Gertie?
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Haptic feedback doesn't solve anything -- you still can't feel the keys before you type. But let's be clear here -- the Touch Bar doesn't solve any problems -- only creates them for people who found F keys did solve a problem. Except for maybe emojis everything found on the Touch Bar is pretty much duplicated in the menu bar. There is no true use case for TB. It's a gimmick. It look's hella slick in ads. In real use not really. Touch Bar might be something good to have on the iPad keyboard where you have no mouse and some cmd functions don't work.
Apple can have Steve Schiller go on stage and say F Keys are old so therefor no good anymore. But, hey, fire, water, wheels are old too. They still solve problems even still.
Strange argument. If you don’t want to use the Touch Bar then don’t. I had camera card readers and FireWire ports on my various MacBooks and Pros for years and never used them ever. I didn’t think Apple should make me a laptop special that didn’t have the ports at the time. There are ways of making the Touch Bar only ever display is he function keys by default if it’s that big a deal.
You are forgetting that they took away the F keys.
If you had any use for those whatsoever, you now have no choice but to use the Touch Bar
They do it's just the old Communist Choice - aka "Let the State decide for you" or "You let the State choose for you"
Either way it's certainly not ideal