Former Apple Employee Thinks Touch Bar Shouldn't Be Forced on Users Who Want Highest-End MacBook Pro

Discussion in 'Mac Blog Discussion' started by MacRumors, Aug 28, 2017.

  1. Cloudkicker macrumors 6502


    Nov 29, 2016
    London, Canada/Los Angeles, CA
    Aaahh, but wouldn't that make the TB a referendum on its use? If more people buy/don't buy would tell Apple whether it's a success or failure.

    So we know: 1.) Apple doesn't do elections on its features. 2.) Because it makes them lose face if one doesn't take off in... see #1.
  2. itsamacthing macrumors 6502a

    Sep 26, 2011
    I have the touch bar and find it useless ... Not calling it a gimmick, but it's not very useful
  3. Zirel Suspended


    Jul 24, 2015
    Keep "thinking" what?

    You are blind to evidence, your "general public" is not general in any way, the general public voted with their wallets and whatever it is, the new gen has won.
  4. acorntoy macrumors 65816

    May 25, 2010
    Just because you have a few uses for it shouldn't mean I have to pay for it when I have none. It's an interesting feature, but it should be an option. You should be able to get a premium machine without it.
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    Has it though? It's interesting that apple hasn't axed the 2015 15" yet.....

    We shall truly know what has "won" when apple gets rid of that, and releases either a cheaper version with no touchbar or price cuts the touchbar versions.
  5. CosmoCopus macrumors member

    Nov 1, 2012
    I see the 2015 models in there all the time.
  6. acorntoy macrumors 65816

    May 25, 2010
    My gearbox switches gears faster than a human can and gets better gas mileage, while also letting me control the gears. **** manuals. This is a completely different issue. Especially because in extremely driver/speed orientated cars you usually do get a choice.
  7. Val-kyrie macrumors 68000

    Feb 13, 2005
    Vs two key strokes--and I don't have to take my eyes off my screen.

    The volume button however is not as accessible as you describe when using a different menu on the touch bar.
  8. Gameboy70 macrumors 6502


    Sep 21, 2011
    Santa Monica, CA
    I'm not too worried about this. Judging from the lack of non-TB 13" models for sale as refurbs, and my conversations with Apple Store employees about model popularity, I suspect Apple will refresh the 15" MBP line in the Spring and introduce at least one non-TB 15" in the lineup. They can't abandon the touchbar entirely in one generation, but the demand for "Escape" models is too large to ignore.

    This weekend I ordered a 16GB RAM, 516GB HDD, non-TB 13" model for $1900, which is almost certainly what Apple would've charged for a 256GB non-TB 15" version.
  9. Val-kyrie macrumors 68000

    Feb 13, 2005
    But it is not possible to leave the function keys in the touchbar without pressing the function key.

    On a non-touchbar model, the user chooses whether to use the function keys as function keys or whether to press the lower "Fn" key to enable the function keys to function in that manner.
  10. Michaelgtrusa macrumors 604

    Oct 13, 2008
    Most want the ports back, that's the big issues.
  11. scrapesleon macrumors 6502a


    Mar 30, 2017
    I just want the whole keyboard being touch bar
  12. JamesPDX Suspended


    Aug 26, 2014
    What if you could have a touchscreen, a smaller touchpad, and some ports back?
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    "You're touching it wrong..." :D
  13. Geordiekeith macrumors member

    May 12, 2006
    Although my first thought was that the touchbar is a gimmick I would not use, I suspect that if I had one I could probably live with it and even end up using it. However, I will not have that experience as I will not buy a machine with the awful keyboard that Apple are forcing on users now - and all for the sake of thinness. As a technical writer my input is through the keyboard, and I cannot use the dead piece of c*** they are now supplying. Once my 2015 Macbook needs replacing I will most likely go to Windows, something I have avoided for 30 years. Best decision I made was to buy the maxed out version (16GB RAM, 500GB SSD, 3.1GHz i7) so I have a few years left before that decision needs to be made.
  14. JamesPDX Suspended


    Aug 26, 2014
    So, I have to ask. Whose idea was the overly-massive trackpad? That's not thin at all. Nor is it fun.
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    Well, some might say that they had to vote with their wallets since mid-2014 MBP are so scarce. Productivity meets planned obsolescence, etc.
  15. Diving Capers macrumors 6502

    Diving Capers

    Jun 10, 2017
    In other news.... a silly word was used in a silly article about silly gymmiky tech.

    I opine that opine is a silly word.... that's just my opinion.
  16. Digital Dude macrumors 6502

    Digital Dude

    Oct 12, 2008
    Arizona where freedom still means something
    While I have the latest 15-inch MacBook Pro complete with the 2TD SSD, it's the most underwhelming Apple product I have ever purchased. If I had to do it over again I would've purchased a Windows-based system.
  17. Creepitor macrumors regular

    Nov 4, 2016
    No one asked for ProMotion either although we won't live without it in a couple of years.
  18. skellener macrumors 68000


    Jun 23, 2003
    So. Cal.
    The former Apple employee couldn't be more right.
  19. sos47 macrumors regular


    Jul 13, 2016
    with Touch Bar results indifferent UIs on MBP and iMac.

    Why not use an iPad and a "Touchbar App" with all macOS devices instead?
  20. turbineseaplane macrumors 68040


    Mar 19, 2008
    ProMotion isn't a gimmick - It's a tangible improvement to the entire experience of interacting with all aspects of the device. Not even remotely in the same realm as the TouchBar.
  21. Creepitor macrumors regular

    Nov 4, 2016
    Am I saying it’s a gimmick?
  22. oosamon macrumors newbie


    May 6, 2013
    I'd love to try a touch-keyboard with haptic feedback. Wonder how it would type.... And I wonder how the ergonomics would compare.
  23. turbineseaplane macrumors 68040


    Mar 19, 2008
    You replied to a post saying "it's a gimmick no one asked for" (talking about the TouchBar) by saying "No one asked for ProMotion either".

    That read to me that as though you were inferring they were both gimmicks nobody asked for.
    Sorry if that's not what you meant.

    I guess you're just saying nobody asked for ProMotion?

    Fair point & true - That said, Apple doesn't really ask anybody what they want about product decisions of basically any kind.

    Gimmick or not, Apple does what they do and we are all along for the ride.
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    2268473 Suspended

    Sep 20, 2012
    United Kingdom
    I’m not entirely sure why my comment makes you think I am partaking in a mass moment. Apple have their faults, like all companies. But whinging online about a feature you don’t use to gain attention or traffic is rather arduous. I don’t use the Ethernet port on my MBP but I’m not going to type up a bleating blog post with complaints no one asked to hear. I don’t recall reading about Sally, Allie, Lucy or Gertie in Hogwarts, but it has been a few years since I revisited the series.
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    I wonder to how many decimal points the percentage of customers amount to that care about or use function or meta keys. I suspect <0.001%, maybe someone can fire an email to Schiller so we can find out.
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    charlituna macrumors G3


    Jun 11, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    Wait so I didn't get a delivery yesterday of a new 15 inch MacBook Pro with no touch bar

    Oh wait, I did. And I just checked, you can still order it as of 5 minutes ago. So the claim there's no non touch bar 15 inch model is just wrong.

    And looking at the prices honestly I don't see much difference between the top of the line prices from before the touch bar to now. Certainly not enough to scream that Apple is massively screwing folks over

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