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Apple has been pretty stagnant on all fronts. MacOS hasn't seen any truly relevant UI updates since Yosemite, iOS 11 is the first update in years that isn't just "better Siri". The Apple Pencil and iPad Pro 120 Hz display update were much needed updates to their tablet lineup and I still can't find a reason why I would pay so much for an iPhone that is significantly larger and heavier than my current Android phone.
 
It's so obvious to the Mac ecosystem.
[doublepost=1500305451][/doublepost]What next? Bring back Gil or Skulley and start numbering the models with an "a" on the end of the names?
 
You may need to take your S8+ back. Might be defective. My wife's S8 is pretty darn spot on with the fps and the facial rec is close to 100%. Anecdotes as evidence amirite?
I agree. I have been using S80 for a month now. I have been expecting to be disappointed after coming from iPhone. But I have been pretty impressed by many subtle things that it does. FPS is bang on! It also tells me if my finger is not appropriately set on the scanner. It also tells me if my camera lens is dirty. It also asked me whether the ohone should be kept unlocked if I am at home. All these little things are delightful. Sorry.. I am enjoying S8 a lot.
 
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Like many have said its about maturity of a product. For me one of the main issues facing all mobile manufacturers is battery life. There is only so much you can do with making components and software efficient. We need a game changer break through in battery technology.
 
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I have chosen to buy an S8+ over whatever iPhone Apple has coming this year. The last iPhone I bought was the 6S+ and 6S. I didn't feel the 7 was a big enough improvement to spend another $1000 like I did with my 6S+.

I'm not really expecting anything big from Apple this year either.
 
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I agree. I have been using S80 for a month now. I have been expecting to be disappointed after coming from iPhone. But I have been pretty impressed by many subtle things that it does. FPS is bang on! It also tells me if my finger is not appropriately set on the scanner. It also tells me if my camera lens is dirty. It also asked me whether the ohone should be kept unlocked if I am at home. All these little things are delightful. Sorry.. I am enjoying S8 a lot.
Glad to hear some of you are having better luck than we are. Since mine gets used so infrequently, I have not bothered with Samsung support, but good to know in the future.
 
I agree. I have been using S80 for a month now. I have been expecting to be disappointed after coming from iPhone. But I have been pretty impressed by many subtle things that it does. FPS is bang on! It also tells me if my finger is not appropriately set on the scanner. It also tells me if my camera lens is dirty. It also asked me whether the ohone should be kept unlocked if I am at home. All these little things are delightful. Sorry.. I am enjoying S8 a lot.
I really enjoy using the FPS on my S8+ and especially how the display doesn't need to be on to unlock the phone like on the iPhone how you have to press the button first.

The software on the S8+ has also become so polished over what the S7 had. My S8+ runs so smooth, it's just an amazing phone.
 
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How much can you do with a round-edge rectangle? Until there's a fundamental technology shift in how we use a communication device (Watch? Glasses? Chip-in-brain?), there are only so many design options.
 
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I agree. I have been using S80 for a month now. I have been expecting to be disappointed after coming from iPhone. But I have been pretty impressed by many subtle things that it does. FPS is bang on! It also tells me if my finger is not appropriately set on the scanner. It also tells me if my camera lens is dirty. It also asked me whether the phone should be kept unlocked if I am at home. All these little things are delightful. Sorry.. I am enjoying S8 a lot.
The funny thing is I don't like the overall look of the S8. Wait, back up. I don't like the curved display. That being said, the hardware still looks damn good. I wish they made one with a flat display. My wife loooooooooooooves it. (She married me so her taste is questionable, at best:D). She upgraded from a 6S and thinks the S8 is the bee knees. She wanted something "unique", which is ironic considering we're talking about commodity electronics. To be fair though, it doesn't look like all the other phones.
 
Apple continues to be tremendously successful (check their stock price and sales over the past decade) but they are run by a traditional businessman. A brilliant businessman who can execute economies of scale like no-one else. However, Steve Jobs was a visionary. When he died Apple's revolutionary products came to a halt. Would they have been any different if Jobs had lived? We will never know.

If Apple's board was serious about finding another visionary then they would use their vast cash pile to acquire Tesla and instal Elon Musk as CEO of the enlarged company. Musk might not have an interest in creating new consumer electronics, he seems to be thinking much larger than that with solar power, battery storage and self driving vehicles.

I have thought for years that if Apple is going to make a big splash than buying Tesla is probably what they would do.

How many visionary CEOs are there out there? Perhaps they aren't even born in America?
 
Not trying to defend any side, but I need a phone that's more functional than just being visually distinct. And i think there's no argument there that apple offers a much better overall package.

The edge to edge screen on the new Samsung is great, but apple is expected to do the same. The iphone 5 did have a great overall design, but i never bought it purely due to its design.

You can argue macs eventually won over windows for its designs, but lets be honestly, even the current iphone is 10x more inspiring than anything the PC market have put out back in the days when personal computers were still a thing.

I do wish apple pushed a little further with the phone designs, but i imagine we've gotten to a point where ID on the phone is being backed into a corner by constraints on things like camera and battery technology
 
The modern smart phone that people have come to expect is now really just a slab of metal and glass. There's not much "design innovation" you can do with that. The real measure of innovation is what comes underneath the glass with software and components.
 
Steve Jobs was true legend,a visionary, nothing can replace him.

The last iPhone design which Steve Jobs was involved in was iPhone 5. Even today it's Gold Standard in Smartphone design. It was the best looking iPhone Apple ever made till date in my Opinion

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I disagree. I think the iPhone 4 was the best designed iPhone to date. It might not have been the best performing, but the looks and hand-feel were unlike anything else.
 
Whether you're an Apple or Samsung fan, it's hard to disagree with this.

The iPhone 6 is more or less indistinguishable from the iPhone 7.

What Apple is bringing with the iPhone 8 has been done by Samsung already.
The naysayers say this every year. It's like a broken record.
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Whether you're an Apple or Samsung fan, it's hard to disagree with this.

The iPhone 6 is more or less indistinguishable from the iPhone 7.

What Apple is bringing with the iPhone 8 has been done by Samsung already.
The naysayers say this every year. It's like a broken record.
 
Apple continues to be tremendously successful (check their stock price and sales over the past decade) but they are run by a traditional businessman. A brilliant businessman who can execute economies of scale like no-one else. However, Steve Jobs was a visionary. When he died Apple's revolutionary products came to a halt. Would they have been any different if Jobs had lived? We will never know.

If Apple's board was serious about finding another visionary then they would use their vast cash pile to acquire Tesla and instal Elon Musk as CEO of the enlarged company. Musk might not have an interest in creating new consumer electronics, he seems to be thinking much larger than that with solar power, battery storage and self driving vehicles.

I have thought for years that if Apple is going to make a big splash than buying Tesla is probably what they would do.

How many visionary CEOs are there out there? Perhaps they aren't even born in America?

Like you, I've thought the same thing about an Apple / Tesla combined company, because Elon is definitely similar to Steve in his vision and drive to push his companies forward. But Elon is not as good of a showman as Steve was. He's not as smooth as Steve in his presentations and that always makes me cringe when watching him.

I do think Apple (and their shareholders) could benefit from Apple buying Tesla / SpaceX. There is certainly a long-term fit between the companies, even if Tesla is better known for simply burning through money compared to Apple making piles of money.
 
NO !, the main problem is that Steve Jobs was a "Master at Promoting" new technologies, AND the Apple of today currently has NO ONE at the top who can do that ! ... case in point, Display P3 / Wide Color capture & display ... Steve Jobs would have very-likely made it the centerpiece of much of his marketing activities since Sept 2016 ... yet, the current Apple hasn't promoted it even once since they introduced it to the masses with the iPhone 7 family, back in Sept 2016 ... actually, even worse, on Sept 7th, 2016, they passed it off to someone OUTSIDE the company to do it !

To this date, even few Apple fanboys & fangirls have any clue about the extended color space, and what the benefits it offers ... Steve Jobs would have raised the "educational bar" and made sure EVERYONE knew !

After it, it's a key product differentiator, especially for that area where Art crosses Technololgy.

That's the main difference between the Apple of today, and when Steve was still running it ! ... Steve Got It, & promoted the Heck out of it ... the current Apple is lacking significantly in that respect.

Tim Cook is NOT CEO material, plain & simple.
 
Samsung has better design because design is about how something sexy looks. The full display is amazing. Leaps ahead of the lame iPhone with its awful regular LED and gimmicky 3D Touch. Oooh, the iPhone has z-axis interactions. Um. My Samsung has no Home button! Beat that!

That's perfectly fine if you like the S8 design and display over the iPhone.

But to say the iPhone display has an "Awful regular LED" is false. What does that "Regular LED even mean"? There is nothing awful about it. It's not OLED, but Apple's LED displays have excellent clarity and crispness.

And 3D Touch is my favorite feature. The fact that It can allow you to shortcut the application to reach the function quicker, is much more convenient than opening up the whole application to navigate through what you need. To each their own what's considered 'Gimmicky'.
 
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It is ridiculous to speculate that "Apple has lost its innovation since the death of Steve." Really? Do you think that Steve sat at a design table with Jony and that he, himself, came up with the chamfered edges on the 5? Touch ID on the 5s? Or the rounded, seamless edges on the 6? Or the Force Touch integration with iOS on the 6s? Strategic relocation of the antenna, water resistance and force-touch home button on the 7?

One who considers Steve Jobs as the pioneer of all these things is a fool. Jony Ive makes iPhones. Steve sold them. Steve, if you have read his autobiography, was a pushy, narcissistic, and rude individual - all primary characteristics of his genius. His demeanor stressed and pushed his team, but did not innovate anything. One could argue that Apple needs another visionary that wants "things done yesterday, not tomorrow." To say, however, that Steve was the soul behind the innovation at Apple, is foolish. He was not. Jony is looking at retirement. That is a scary thought. One can only hope that he has appropriately mentored somebody to replace him.
 
True, so let's talk design.

Apple iPhone's 3 years old design is still so good that's basically stolen by everyone, including Google for its Pixel and all Chinese OEMs..

Apple's design is HORRIBLE. It wasn't till I got this Axon 7 that I realized how bad it is. It's got the screen size of the 6+ I had, is the physical size of my wife's 6s, has better speakers and looks just as good. Those bezels are God-Awful. Ergonomically the slightly curved back makes the phone fit in the hand better.
 
In related news, Apple caught the whole industry pants down, once again, with ARKit, the foundation of the next leg of innovation and growth for tech and society as a whole.

But "Apple's innovation has stalled since SJ death" has a sweet, irresistible ring to it, no matter what reality looks like.

Technically AR has been actively developed by other companies for the past ten years. Apple is just now taking the development seriously.
 
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Tim Cook was a safe pair of hands to lead Apple after Steve's death. Now they need to replace Cook with a visionary leader who can take the company forward.

I own Apple stock and have been voting him out for years now. I urge others to do the same.
 
A classic example of a product in full maturity. Sales aren't driven by features or need but cosmetics and gimmicks. We've seen this already but I don't think people have accepted it fully. It's a sure sign that the market will be ready for a disruption of some sort within the next 5-10 years and the top players will shift around quickly.

I thought studies also showed that in several places, such as the United States that smart phone sales are overly saturated. Margin's are incredibly small, you can only have early adoption to a point before people say, I'll catch it on the next cycle. The real growth is in India and China, in India though they prefer cheaper devices. Where Apple doesn't understand the word cheap, as they charge as a premium.
 
One who considers Steve Jobs as the pioneer of all these things is a fool. Jony Ive makes iPhones. Steve sold them. Steve, if you have read his autobiography, was a pushy, narcissistic, and rude individual - all primary characteristics of his genius. His demeanor stressed and pushed his team, but did not innovate anything. One could argue that Apple needs another visionary that wants "things done yesterday, not tomorrow." To say, however, that Steve was the soul behind the innovation at Apple, is foolish. He was not. Jony is looking at retirement. That is a scary thought. One can only hope that he has appropriately mentored somebody to replace him.

I have read his autobiography and yes he was all those things. But he did have a knack for figuring out what people wanted before they wanted it.

And Jony's retirement is welcome - many of his designs as of late are not that good at all....
 
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