I think eventually he would have changed his mind. Pre IOS7 looks really dated now, It may have taken an extra year (IOS8 instead of IOS7)
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Former iOS Chief Scott Forstall Discusses Creating the First iPhone
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Really wish they asked him about his thoughts on the whole iOS 7 redesign and what he thinks of iOS today, but it's really nice to see him again.
It just hasn't been the same at all since his departure. He was the last part of Jobs we had left imo. Just watched the video, and he did get asked the skeumorphic question for the first time which was interesting. He laughed at the term and then explained how Apple has always been about "skeumorphic" design since the original Mac, and was then asked if he had any annoyances about using an iPhone today to which he replied that as a designer he always finds annoyances, even with the original iPhone (kinda felt he held back there to avoid saying anything bad about today's iOS), and that he just cares about good design that's also fun to use. The "fun to use" part stuck out to me in what's sorely lacking with Apple today. It's completely ripped of all personality. That, and with all the inconsistent bugs and performance issues.
Bring him back I say. He had more charisma in that interview alone than anyone currently at Apple who's been involved in a keynote the past 5 years (except for Fedirighi), and actually made for an interesting viewing.
It just hasn't been the same at all since his departure. He was the last part of Jobs we had left imo. Just watched the video, and he did get asked the skeumorphic question for the first time which was interesting. He laughed at the term and then explained how Apple has always been about "skeumorphic" design since the original Mac, and was then asked if he had any annoyances about using an iPhone today to which he replied that as a designer he always finds annoyances, even with the original iPhone (kinda felt he held back there to avoid saying anything bad about today's iOS), and that he just cares about good design that's also fun to use. The "fun to use" part stuck out to me in what's sorely lacking with Apple today. It's completely ripped of all personality. That, and with all the inconsistent bugs and performance issues.
Bring him back I say. He had more charisma in that interview alone than anyone currently at Apple who's been involved in a keynote the past 5 years (except for Fedirighi), and actually made for an interesting viewing.
In the interview he basically said they actually didn't love skeuomorphism. They recognized it was very effective at allowing anyone to pick up the iphone and understand how to use it. That's why they went that direction.
He's stuck in a time vortex and apparently has a closet full of late-2000 style shirts from the "Express".Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Still rocking the same weird shirt as in the good old days at Apple.
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The problem with your hope is Steve specifically groomed both Tim and Ive and left specific instructions they were his choices going forward. I think Laurene would have something to say about that as well.
As compared to iOS 11? With that good looking control centre that isn't a complete mess, the notification centre that makes perfect design sense, and the rest of the UI filled with blown up fonts and tons of white space everywhere which isn't so blinding to the point where everyone isn't practically begging for a dark mode? Let's shove reduce motion, darken colours, reduce transparency, button shapes etc. in the settings to make the OS more barable, eh?
iOS 6 had none of this and in my opinion still looks premium and not like a cheap toy with no personality, joy, or warmth. It also performs better than a 2017 A10 iPhone (I know because I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 6), and has virtually zero lag or random jitters unlike today. A 4 year old OS running on 2012 hardware that runs smoother and more seamless than todays. Oh, and a music app didn't completely suck balls.
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It doesn't mean we loved it, or loved every single part of it. We know it worked. How do we know it worked? You just have to watch people use it.
This. I really wish the post iOS 6 design people understood this. The system is so much less intuitive, because of the flat and lifeless design. (I agree that the flat design LOOKS better right now, but makes it less intuitive to most people).
Because the "data" in maps was not his work? And it was never part of Apple's DNA to pander to the vocal minority, least of all by apologizing. I respect Forstall for standing up for himself and his principles (and his team).
But all of this is just a smokescreen. It was almost common knowledge that Forstall and Cook were the two finalists for the role of CEO before Steve passed away. Getting rid of Forstall was just Cook's way of cementing his position and transforming Jobs' Apple2010 to Cook's Apple2017.
I miss Forstall's charisma (he's the only Apple exec I know of, who made a Seinfeld reference on stage .... culture.) . I think he would have made a better CEO or CTO. I miss Apple2010.
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Agreed, the people who say iOS 6 looks dated don't seem to understand that the visual design is basically the same thing as fashion, it really is irrelevant. What's important are all the little things that make it intuitive and easy to use.
The changes in iOS 7 and beyond were an emotional reaction, they were not based in rational thinking.
The changes in iOS 7 and beyond were an emotional reaction, they were not based in rational thinking.
Between he and Jony, I believe Jony is the guy who is hard to work with, not Scott
It never occurred to me how much iOS changed when you are setting up a new device. Nowadays iOS presents you with dozens of alerts and screens to explain to you how something works. Open Control Centre, alert, followed by another alert. Open the widgets area, alert. And so on. I watched someone set up their device last week and it made me uneasy that this is what iOS has become. It wasn’t always like this.
With how unpolished IOS7 was at release I think this is true.
And then watch Apple go down the crapper. No thanks.
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No, not by Jobs. Jobs knew what was needed for Apple's success going forward. And it wasn't Forstall leading the company. One of Jobs' best decision.
I wonder if automated accounting sent Steve a bill
As a finance nerd, I found the lunch story particularly amusing and immediately went to wondering how they handled that.
Nice summary Tim Hardwick, thanks for writing to well about the interview. Scott Forstall is a real leader and is the father of iOS and a great great contributor of the iPhone. The iPhone could not be successful without him.
Its really sad how Tim Cook worked to destroy him, in the Keynotes and the press.
Who else has the Apple DNA as Scott Forstall? He worked with Steve Jobs since NeXt, OS X and iOS. The most cutting edge and successfull Operating Systems out there.
Thanks Scott!
Its really sad how Tim Cook worked to destroy him, in the Keynotes and the press.
Who else has the Apple DNA as Scott Forstall? He worked with Steve Jobs since NeXt, OS X and iOS. The most cutting edge and successfull Operating Systems out there.
Thanks Scott!