Fortune Names Steve Jobs 'Smartest CEO', Jony Ive 'Smartest Designer' in Tech

[Burger Thing]

Uh ? Get out of the Apple blogosphere, this phenomenon isn't unique to Apple in some way. Google, Microsoft, Novell, HP, Dell, they all get their minute in the spotlight.

Hmmm, Microsoft and Google maybe (more than often in a rather negative spotlight, though), but you honestly can't be serious about the others Even in Europe, Apple has a lot of News coverage. Especially lately with iPhones, iPads, etc. But nobody gives a poops what Dell releases. And what or who is Novell?

 

[HLdan]

I think Steve Jobs put it best : "It's good enough". Why pay a premium for a Mac or Blu-ray when a PC or DVD is good enough for the masses ?

I dont' consider myself to be part of the masses. I never buy what's "popular" or what's "cheap". I buy what I want. I never get why Macrumors day to day seems to be becoming a Pro-Windows world here? You say one thing positive about a Mac on a PC forum and you'll get acid spit in your face. Here?, people expect the Mac community which is the underdog to be accepting and more "Pro-PC" here.

 

[Popeye206]

Hmmm, Microsoft and Google maybe (more than often in a rather negative spotlight, though), but you honestly can't be serious about the others Even in Europe, Apple has a lot of New coverage. Especially lately with iPhones, iPads, etc. But nobody gives a poops what Dell releases. And what or who is Novell?

Dell???? Are they still around?

 

[KnightWRX]

Hmmm, Microsoft and Google maybe (more than often in a rather negative spotlight, though), but you honestly can't be serious about the others Even in Europe, Apple has a lot of News coverage. Especially lately with iPhones, iPads, etc. But nobody gives a poops what Dell releases. And what or who is Novell?

Really ? Because I seem to recall a few stories about Dell recently, especially how they knowingly shipped computers with a bad batch of transistors and weren't honoring warranties on them.

Or how Novell finally won their court case against SCO after the latter eliminated all possibilities of appeal.

Oracle's recent acquisition of Sun. The Europeen commissions about it. Oracle's dropping of acquiring Sun. The Europeen commission going back on their earlier words and allowing it. Oracle's final acquisition of Sun. Oracle's rebranding of Sun. Oracle's plans for Java. Oracle's downsizing of their new server/software groups. What if Oracle kills Java ?

Heck, Oracle's been in the news a lot lately, maybe Larry Ellison or Jonathan Schwartz should be up there instead of Steve ? Oh right, I should stop reading the Oracle/Sun blogosphere, my bad seeing how I work in a Sun shop where our livelyhood depended on this stuff not long ago.

Again, seriously, drop the Apple blogosphere and open your horizons to more general tech news sites and you'll see Apple's coverage is not disproportinate, based on a given timeframe. Of course, if you go look at a specific date where it might be that Apple took the spotlight, you'll see them in a disproportionate way, but over enough time, every tech company is covered in the same scrutiny Apple is.

I dont' consider myself to be part of the masses. I never buy what's "popular" or what's "cheap". I buy what I want. I never get why Macrumors day to day seems to be becoming a Pro-Windows world here? You say one thing positive about a Mac on a PC forum and you'll get acid spit in your face. Here?, people expect the Mac community which is the underdog to be accepting and more "Pro-PC" here.

Again, those are Steve Jobs' words, not mine. Maybe he's the one who expects you to be pro-PC (I sure don't) ?

Steve on tech : "Good enough is where it's at". Obviously, the Mac is headed that way in the future. Too bad the prices aren't going to follow.

 

[PowerMax.com]

I think one of the greatest testaments to Apple's design genius is the failure of the ROKR <- I love how that preorder page is still up BTW.)

Motorola screwed the pooch with design by committee. What does Apple do? Goes back to the drawing board and revolutionizes the concept of the phone with the iPhone.

Bravo!

 

[firewood]

So smart that they design an iPhone that has MANY problems.

Doesn't matter... as long as the competition has more or greater (maybe completely different) problems, as perceived by vast numbers of customers.

 

[deus_ex_machina]

Not accepting everything Apple does or puts out is not being anti-apple. I like some, I don't like some. I have as much a right to be here than you do.

And practice what you preach next time, life is too short to just rant and rave.

I think you mean "privilege" - if posting on forums is a right, we couldn't get banned

Just splitting hairs.

 

[HLdan]

Again, those are Steve Jobs' words, not mine. Maybe he's the one who expects you to be pro-PC (I sure don't) ?

Steve on tech : "Good enough is where it's at". Obviously, the Mac is headed that way in the future. Too bad the prices aren't going to follow.

Would you be so kind as to point to where that quote from Jobs resides? I'd like to see where it came from and what led to him saying that.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

I name Jobs as biggest bullcrapper in the industry

 

[firewood]

I think one of the greatest testaments to Apple's design genius is the failure of the ROKR...

Motorola screwed the pooch with design by committee. What does Apple do? Goes back to the drawing board and revolutionizes the concept of the phone with the iPhone.

I would not be surprised if Motorola pissed off Steve so much with their design process for the ROKR and the cellular industries "we-know-better-than-you attitude", that as soon as he saw he could get an edge using iPod + SafariPad technology, he jumped at the opportunity to "show them" who really knew how to design phones.

That may be the one of the reasons we got the iPhone first.

 

[rivertrip]

My country is the USA. In my experience, we often say "smart" when we are talking about knowledge or behavior. However it's possible to be uneducated yet smart, and some people know quite a bit even though they are idiots.

Please don't try to generalize about the language usage of 300 million people. There is no point.

While your at it, you probably shouldn't generalize about your own country's usage either.

Just ask people around you about their feelings about various words. You will be surprised to find out how far apart you are many times.

 

[Cole Slaw]

That's all we need; something else that'll inflate SJ's head to an even greater circumference.

 

[kernkraft]

Pull his finger!

 

[*LTD*]

So smart that they design an iPhone that has MANY problems.

Pretty damn good for a phone with so many problems.

The competition would kill to be in this situation.

 

[KnightWRX]

Would you be so kind as to point to where that quote from Jobs resides? I'd like to see where it came from and what led to him saying that.

Short memory much ? This was hardly a week ago :

I think you may be wrong - we may see a fast broad move to streamed free and rental content at sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over.

Steve's thoughts on Blu-ray. Good enough will win everyone over. No need for the high end stuff.

 

[samwight]

I think Steve Jobs put it best : "It's good enough". Why pay a premium for a Mac or Blu-ray when a PC or DVD is good enough for the masses ?

Except that a PC isn't good enough, and Steve didn't say it was. A Mac's not good enough either. It's easy to imagine better laptops: lighter, longer battery life, higher res display, faster internet, etc. That's why we pay a premium for the best.

On the other hand, some things *are* good enough. For me, 300 dpi screen resolution is good enough; 256K mp3 or aac is good enough; cables-to-go cables are good enough.

But to say one thing is good enough, is not the same as saying anything is good enough. Follow?

 

[Alexwithad]

I figured Ive as the designer I mean come on, nothing comes close with Apples designs on anything.

 

[KnightWRX]

Except that a PC isn't good enough, and Steve didn't say it was. A Mac's not good enough either. It's easy to imagine better laptops: lighter, longer battery life, higher res display, faster internet, etc. That's why we pay a premium for the best.

Masses don't care about any of that. They just want their facebook fix. And that my friend, is something every 10 year PC or Mac can do just fine. "It's good enough".

And you didn't just say faster Internet... seriously, 10 year old PCs can push 100 mbps with no problem. 5 year old PCs can saturate 1 gbps links without breaking a sweat.

Faster Internet what ? hahaha that made me laugh almost as much as my boss 10 years ago telling me the minimum requirements for Cable modem access was a Pentium when we all had 386s acting as routers and saturating our links without ever seeing a load higher than 1.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO5wryDdEI0

Add a time variable on the end to jump right to the dialog you want:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO5wryDdEI0#t=0m19s

enjoy!

 

[badapple18]

I don't think I have ever reformatted a drive or reinstalled an OS and I have been using Macs since the 80's.

My brother works on PC's and I wanted him to do a memory upgrade on one we use for data collection. The first thing he did was reformat the drive and reinstall the OS. Erasing all the programs and data on the device, including irreplacable keys.

After that the device had no value at all and was chucked in the trash after paying for the "upgrade" and being in fully functional condition, for someone I have never met.

It seems to be a cultural thing.

Rocketman

This is the worst attempt at trolling i have ever come across on this forum. I mean come on, you have never reformatted a drive or reinstalled an OS since the 80's?

Macs are nice i would know i have owned many as well as work on macs and pc's in my own shop. plus older macs pre os9 days were not as elegant and perfect as you are used to nowadays. Plus if you are a real user and have never used OSX disk utility or diskutil command in the terminal you have no room to talk about why macs are better than pc's and probably couldn't tell me why they are better outside of because steve said so.

Oh and your brother is either A. an idiot or B. he was trying to make a memory upgrade way more complicated to impress you and F'ed up royally.

Apple needs to start putting some of there "Genius" talent behind OSX again and let this team worry about the IOS ****. OSX is getting left behind and nobody cares.

 

[Burger Thing]

Really ? Because I seem to recall a few stories about Dell recently, especially how they knowingly shipped computers with a bad batch of transistors and weren't honoring warranties on them.
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Again, seriously, drop the Apple blogosphere and open your horizons to more general tech news sites and you'll see Apple's coverage is not disproportinate, based on a given timeframe.

Well, my horizon is wide enough that apart from MR I won't visit some geeky tech sites very often but rather stick to broad international news and hence I was referring more to them. Sorry if I wasn't clear the first time. Stories about Dell or Nivell don't make the trip across the Atlantic or Pacific as often as those from Apple. For example one of the rather more import News Portals for German Speaking Europe, Spiegel Online, Focus, FAZ, you can find so may stories about Apple, that readers are almost sick of them

Like it or not, but for example if Apple releases a product, like iPhone, iPad, OS X 10.6, then this international news and covered widely. If HP or Dell releases something, it is Geeky-Tech-Site Material.

Not judging if that is good or not, but Steve Jobs, Apple and his products have been in the spotlight for a while already. Of course, there might be a certain Hype to it as well, but generally speaking, the result is that lots of eye-pairs are examining each product and if a problem surfaces, then there is a great chance, that this will be blown out of proportions.

 

[KnightWRX]

Well, my horizon is wide enough that apart from MR I won't visit some geeky tech sites very often but rather stick to broad international news and hence I was referring more to them. Sorry if I wasn't clear the first time. Stories about Dell or Nivell don't make the trip across the Atlantic or Pacific as often as those from Apple. For example one of the rather more import News Portals for German Speaking Europe, Spiegel Online, Focus, FAZ, you can find so may stories about Apple, that readers are almost sick of them

Like it or not, but for example if Apple releases a product, like iPhone, iPad, OS X 10.6, then this international news and covered widely. If HP or Dell releases something, it is Geeky-Tech-Site Material.

Really, because I was referring to real news site, like WSJ, Times and Financial Times.



Sorry if your news site are part of the Apple Blogosphere and don't keep you updated on the real going ons in the tech industry, but that's hardly a problem with other companies not getting coverage from real media outlets, only a problem with the quality of the reporting you guys get.

 

[NT1440]

Really ? Because I seem to recall a few stories about Dell recently, especially how they knowingly shipped computers with a bad batch of transistors and weren't honoring warranties on them.

Right? That was one of the most infuriating stories I've ever read. They shipped tens of millions of those to businesses knowing there was a failure rate in the 90's!

 

[Burger Thing]

Really, because I was referring to real news site, like WSJ, Times and Financial Times.



Sorry if your news site are part of the Apple Blogosphere and don't keep you updated on the real going ons in the tech industry, but that's hardly a problem with other companies not getting coverage from real media outlets, only a problem with the quality of the reporting you guys get.

Ha Ha. Oh dear... Oh well, I am traveling around the world on a daily basis and I can assure you, that there are *real news sites* outside North America.

 

[kernkraft]

Doesn't matter... as long as the competition has more or greater (maybe completely different) problems, as perceived by vast numbers of customers.

But the competition is fine. It seems that only Apple forgot to ask a decent radio engineer about designing an antenna for a mobile phone. You haven't got any problems with HTC cameras either - no green or yellow tint.

I dont' consider myself to be part of the masses. I never buy what's "popular" or what's "cheap". I buy what I want. I never get why Macrumors day to day seems to be becoming a Pro-Windows world here? You say one thing positive about a Mac on a PC forum and you'll get acid spit in your face. Here?, people expect the Mac community which is the underdog to be accepting and more "Pro-PC" here.

I think it has got a lot to do with Apple's recent corporate behaviour.

Pretty damn good for a phone with so many problems.

The competition would kill to be in this situation.

Oh yes, who wouldn't be in the situation, when they have to lie and mislead their own consumers about their design defect that has the potential of triggering a major recall.

Way to go! At least you acknowledge that the iPhone has so many problems.