you can do a thing called 'ordering on-line'
you activate it when it arrives in the post, but you have the 'tariff' you sign upto online. You don't have to do it instore
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found loophole: 1st gen iphone plan while using 3g iphone
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you can do a thing called 'ordering on-line'
you activate it when it arrives in the post, but you have the 'tariff' you sign upto online. You don't have to do it instore
You obviously don't understand that stealing $10 a month is saving you $120 a year. FIFY.
If the difference between making your rent or not is whether you can get away with breaking a contract to save $10 a month, buying an iPhone was probably a suboptimal financial decision.
Driving away without paying for gas might save you a buck or two. You down with that, too?
No, mommy and daddy don't buy me everything. I buy what I want and can afford. If I had to break a contract to "afford" it, I'd pass. Sounds like your mommy and daddy were epic failures at trying to instill a sense of ethics. You have managed to raise rationalization to an art form, though.
you can do a thing called 'ordering on-line'
you activate it when it arrives in the post, but you have the 'tariff' you sign upto online. You don't have to do it instore
Not in the U.S.A........
well it's something the UK can do with both O2 and their chosen suplier Carphonewarehouse can do.....
take it up with them.I agree with everything you say here, except i don't think anyone is stealing anything because I don't think there is anyway in hell AT&T will let someone download data via their 3G network for free.
well it's something the UK can do with both O2 and their chosen suplier Carphonewarehouse can do.....
Hurray for you.
Take it up with them-who?
lay the **** off, what is your problem, i don't know why you're commenting here if you oppose this , fine go tackle jaywalkers and people who use online coupon codes that aren't for them.
Please explain exactly how you are shielding the fact that you are downloading your data via 3G and not EDGE from AT&T.
add $5 to that for the included 200 texts the original iphone plan has, your back at $20...wheres the savings?
Just give up...no1 is listening. There is no way they can tell whether you are connecting via 3G or EDGE, its MBs and thats it. Like he said, 3G is phone specific, NOT plan specific.
3G has been out there for a while now, you just need a phone to access it. My old Razr had 3G...
It's not phone or plan specific: when your Iphone connects to the tower, it does so through the EDGE or 3G radio. The tower transmits back the data to your phone through its appropriate transmitter. AT&T keeps track of how and the amount of data transmitted. Trust me, AT&T is much too anal about making money too not keep track of who is recieving data and how. There is no way they'll let you recieve 3G data without paying for it. It's how they make money.
AT&T is much too concerned with making money to let people suck 3G bandwidth without paying for it.
Are they monitoring on a second by second basis, no. But you can bet it will be caught at the next billing cycle. You need to remember that the 2G and 3G networks are seperate technologies.
It's cool if you don't beleive me, but you'll understand after your first full billing cycle. Best case is they'll just add back in the $10 that you agreed to pay in the contract you signed. Worst case could be much, much more expensive depending on how much data you used over 3G
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You have no visual voice mail though, right?
And to the ethics police - I've tried to add the 3G data plan online and it won't let me. I could perhaps fix that if I called them up personally. But I've spent countless hours on the phone with customer service trying to get the phone activated and working in the first place. After finally getting service I decided to leave well enough alone, even though I do wish I had VVM. If AT&T finds out my "devious plot" and wants to charge me, fine. Do you think they'd compensate me for my lost time and for their poor service? No. I asked and got denied there.
Why should it be related to any billing cycle?
I am curious what this entails. Are you suggesting that an actual human being is part of this process? Or is it all computer driven?
So your saying that 3G is NOT device specific? Umm...yes it is. My old blackberry is NOT 3G nor could it connect to 3G...1st Gen iPhones were NOT 3G, nor could they connect to 3G.
Data is data...granted they are different beasts, it's still data and At&t recognizes both as KB's, thats it. There is NO way they are decoding that I am using data by using 3G or Edge.
question for the ethics police here: so when all of those att store managers where telling people they wouldnt get a corporate discount on the 3g iphone (which as blatantly untrue) was that ethical?
Here are the AT&T iPhone terms and conditions. It includes verbiage about the data plans. It does NOT say, as far as I can tell, that you cannot use 3G services if you have the $20/mo plan that comes with the original plan. From what I can tell, if you have an AT&T data plan, whatever kind of plan it is, you can use whatever connect method your device supports.
IANAL. YMMV.
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/articles-resources/iphone-terms.jsp
IANAL. YMMV.
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/articles-resources/iphone-terms.jsp
Incorrect, if the value of the dollar is going down, and you are back-charged I.D.K. $15/Month, and they find out 18 months down the road so you would owe AT&T about $270. If the value of the dollar declines in those 18 Months, it will cost you more to pay for things like groceries, and utilities, therefore your disposable income is less, and it will be harder to obtain $270 then, compared to now, if the value of the dollar weakens.
Compared to if the value of a dollar was going up, and you had to pay $270, you would have more, because you would have more disposable income, because food and utilities, etc., lowered their prices, because the value of a dollar went up.
Sorry, I guess I can thank my Macroeconomics Professor for that one.
So you are intimately familiar with this process then? You're an AT&T employee?
If its computer checked, then the billing cycle is not really relevant. The computer can be told to monitor data and check against the account holders plan at any given interval, not just when billing occurs.
If its human checked then the process is going to be extremely slow and costsly. It could be an IRS-like system where there are red flags, sure. But, why? There needn't really be any human-negotiated audit process like the IRS has. Its pretty much black and white - either you have the 3g plan or not, either you are using 3g data or not.
Right. So you're telling that the only upgrade AT&T needed to switch to 3G was the phones?
AT&T didn't have to upgrade their towers? The transmitter just sends out the same signal to EDGE and 3G and its up to the phone as to how fast it downloads it?
The key fact being whether you are using 3G or not. Of course the computer continously monitors it. But guess what? AT&T is a big greedy corporation and is happy to let you build up charges until the end of the month when it cycles the bills. They aren't going to waste time calling you or tracking you down to ask you why you are using 3G data and not paying for it. They're happy to send out the bill and "let the problem take care of itself."
Right, so tomorrow when I get billed, then you can tell me with absolute certainty that I will be billed for either an upgrade to the 3G plan, or for the data itself on a KB by KB usage cost. You can say that for sure, correct?
So in fact you are an AT&T employee or you at least have some other source for this information, yes?
"...you can bet it will be caught at the next billing cycle."
I believe those were your words, correct? Well, how bout this then - since you mention betting, how bout we strike up a friendly wager on that statement? Sound good?
Right. So you're telling that the only upgrade AT&T needed to switch to 3G was the phones?
AT&T didn't have to upgrade their towers? The transmitter just sends out the same data to EDGE and 3G and its up to the phone as to how fast it downloads it?
There are some serious misunderstandings out there regarding how 3G works. AT&T has a network. You can access the network with a valid SIM card. The network supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, and 3G. Prior to the introduction of the iPhone 3G, there was never a 3G vs EDGE vs. GPRS distinction. Indeed, I'm not sure AT&T has the systems in place to track what speeds users are getting there data at. Of course, they could put such a system in place. But I think they haven't.
To get data you have to have a data plan or get charged per kb. When I upgraded my blackberry 3 years ago from a GPRS device to a EDGE device, I kept the data plan, and got the better speed.