You're not reading very well it seems. As I said above the contract was canceled. Of course, I still have AT&T service as I always have so they are still getting their subsidy money from me, just as they always have.
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found loophole: 1st gen iphone plan while using 3g iphone
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You're not reading very well it seems. As I said above the contract was canceled. Of course, I still have AT&T service as I always have so they are still getting their subsidy money from me, just as they always have.
No that is one thing that was specific with the BB plan, just like the Visual voicemail.
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Listen Stanley
Do you have a problem with this "thievery", are you secretly jealous or are you concerned for us and want us not to pay any penalties,
either way calling us scumbag in a forum means
a) you have too much time
b) you work for at&t and hope one to get promoted from kissing butt and following all of the rules including spending no more than 30 minutes on your lunch break
or c)
Do you have a problem with this "thievery", are you secretly jealous or are you concerned for us and want us not to pay any penalties,
either way calling us scumbag in a forum means
a) you have too much time
b) you work for at&t and hope one to get promoted from kissing butt and following all of the rules including spending no more than 30 minutes on your lunch break
or c)
As I said on the previous page, read the AT&T iPhone terms and conditions to get the real answer:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/articles-resources/iphone-terms.jsp
As far as I can tell, they make no distinction between the $20 and $30 plan in terms of what you can and cannot do with it. They simply won't sell you the $20 plan if you're activating a new 3G iPhone.
By AT&T's own terms, using a SIM linked to an account with the $20/mo plan on a 3G device (be that pantech, samsung, tilt, blackberry, palm, iphone, whatever) is no issue whatsoever.
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/articles-resources/iphone-terms.jsp
As far as I can tell, they make no distinction between the $20 and $30 plan in terms of what you can and cannot do with it. They simply won't sell you the $20 plan if you're activating a new 3G iPhone.
By AT&T's own terms, using a SIM linked to an account with the $20/mo plan on a 3G device (be that pantech, samsung, tilt, blackberry, palm, iphone, whatever) is no issue whatsoever.
Do you like being wrong or something?
I have a $15/mo plan that works great with 3G. I don't care if you don't believe me but don't spread lies.
I have unlimited texting for free. That's where the savings is.
And to OP:
Correct, I don't have visual voicemail, but to me it's more than worth it. Since for instance, to get the standard iPhone plan with visual voicemail, I'd actually be paying $10 more a month since I also get $5 off of my monthly voice due to having a FAN account.
BTW, if they're going to charge you for using 3G since you're not currently signed up for unlimited 3G, they're going to charge you two cents a kilobyte, which will really, really add up. For most of us, that would add up to over $1k a month. You've been warned .
.okay, so I just logged onto my online ATT account. I'm under a family plan and under my number, it still lists me as having my old phone, a sony ericsson slide phone. Actually, now that I think of it, it has always listed that phone as the phone I have, even when i got the first iphone back in February. Does iPhone show up for any of you other guys. And what does this mean as far as ATT tracking us and noticing what plans we are using with what phones. I mean, if they think i'm using a sony ericsson (w/only 2g) and right now I'm paying 3G iphone data plan, why would they notice if I decided to switch my data plan on my "sony ericsson" aka iphone, to the 2G unlimited plan since my "phone" can't use 3g internet anyways. If ATT was really on us and and our accounts, wouldnt they at least know what phone im using.
If you upgraded to get the subsidized 3G iPhone then they will know it. Whether or not you get caught is another thing. There is plenty of information relating to your account that you will never see. The question is will they ever look. You could get away with it if you never need to talk to ATT customer service.
This is all really interesting...but it never ceases to amaze me how people love to steal and then go onto internet forums and tell others about their thievery. Integrity starts at home people. You steal from ATT and then some hoodlum is ganking your kids bike. There is a connection whether people want to admit it or not.
Don't steal, it's bad for your soul!
BTW, if they're going to charge you for using 3G since you're not currently signed up for unlimited 3G, they're going to charge you two cents a kilobyte, which will really, really add up. For most of us, that would add up to over $1k a month. You've been warned
The $20/mo plan isn't for EDGE data, it's for data. Period. The newer $30/mo plan isn't for 3G, it's for data. Also period. Read your iPhone terms and conditions. Unless the contract is different from the terms and conditions, AT&T doesn't care if it's EDGE or 3G that you use.
Except for the fact that per AT&T's own iPhone terms and conditions, they make no distinction between 3G and EDGE, nor any distinction between handset models. According to their written statements, using a first-gen iPhone with a second gen plan isn't prohibited, and using a second-gen iPhone with a first-gen plan isn't prohibited. Nor is using a first-gen plan on a BlackJack, or a Tilt, or whatever. (Unless I've totally misread the terms, but so far I think I'm the ONLY person in this discussion who has done so, so my word stands until somebody else can make a better analysis of it all.
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haha, mine always said 4 gb iphone, even though I never owned a 4 gb one. I went through 3- 8gb originals, a 16gb orig and now have an 8gb original and am on my secong 16gb 3g and it still says 4gb iphone. att is a joke
Except for the fact that per AT&T's own iPhone terms and conditions, they make no distinction between 3G and EDGE, nor any distinction between handset models. According to their written statements, using a first-gen iPhone with a second gen plan isn't prohibited, and using a second-gen iPhone with a first-gen plan isn't prohibited. Nor is using a first-gen plan on a BlackJack, or a Tilt, or whatever. (Unless I've totally misread the terms, but so far I think I'm the ONLY person in this discussion who has done so, so my word stands until somebody else can make a better analysis of it all.
Hate to burst your bubble, but the very first paragraph of their media data terms says specifically that plans are tied to devices and you may not use them with other devices.
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/messaging-internet/media-legal-notices.jsp
It says:
Now that we have that cleared up, we now have a thread that is either encouraging people to break the law or at best encouraging people to breach their legal contract with AT&T. In either case I think this thread has outlived any usefulness to be on MacRumors.
What you refer to, you read too far into. What they are refering to are your MediaNet services which are only suppose to be used on "non-smartphones" or your ExpressMail and Smartphone Connect packages which are suppose to only be used on Windows Mobile phones.
Nonetheless, find me where it says you are REQUIRED to pay $30/month for the "3G data plan" for the 3G iPhone versus the $20 plan for the 1st Gen iPhone EXPLICITLY and I will believe you.
And in comes the sarcasm. What ever happened to friendly discussion?
It is you who is wrong and I was just trying to correct you. Nothing personal here.
Wow. Lies?
Please, go read my posts again. I have the same $15 plan so obviously I am not debating that fact. Now go read the specific post of yours that I replied to. You claimed the $30 plan was to recoupe the subsidy for the iPhone. That is wrong for two reasons. First, the data plan is not iPhone specific - it is $30 for all 3G phones. Secondly, the data plan can be canceled from an iPhone holder's (or indeed any 3G device holder's) account, so the subsidy must be coming from the voice plan.
Do you have an unlimited or, at least, a limited but not pay-per-KB data plan attached to your account? I would be careful using data if you don't - you could be running up an extremely high bill. That said, I have no idea how the GoPhone accounts work with respect to data. There may be some lowered rate on data usage for these plans. I know that the regular MEdiaNet pay-as-you-go data rate is 1 cent per KB which is $10 per MB. It will add up quick if you are downloading apps, browing the web, youtube, email, etc a lot when not connected to WiFi.
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Well this isnt entirely true either....
All Blackberry's "technically" require the Blackberry Personal Data Plan which is also $30/month, but these devices are NOT 3G (just edge).
Meanwhile an older Razr can connect to the At&t Media Mall using MediaNet (or pay per use) and if it was 3G (which the last version of the Razr was), this was still $15 or pay per KB respectively.
It's not BECAUSE of the 3G they raised their data prices for the iPhone (although thats what they would love for you to think) - obviously, because non-3G data for the Blackberrys cost $30/month and older cells connecting through 3G were cheaper or even pay-per-use! They are charging more BECAUSE THEY CAN and know from the success of last year they will get away with it, it is as simple as that.
Ok, but to fair I did not say that all non-3G devices were not $30 for data. I just said that all 3G devices were $30. See?
Fair enough, and noted. But, here's a question: can you buy a 3G capable RAZR or indeed any 3G capable phone today, and not have to sign up for a $30 3G plan at the time you sign your contract? I was under the impression that, just like for the iPhone, they'd automatically put the 3G plan on your account. True you can cancel later, but I am just talking about what they require to actually get the phone.
To answer your question...YES! When I bought my last Razr, I forget what it was called the ...V3xxxx or something...it was 3G. I never had data nor was ever required to pay for a data plan. Given it was not a "data or smartphone" - nonetheless I was connecting to 3G and able to use at&t's Media Mall and whatnot.
We know that At&t classifies their smartphones in a different group as other regular phones, but at the same time...I was using my Blackberry for a VERY long time with no data plan and no problem whatsoever. I would remove it and add it as I needed and at&t was always very helpful.
Now you ask why does At&t "require" the data plan or say it cannot be removed from the iPhone?
I think this is simple:
At&t is paying A LOT of money for the exclusivety of the iPhone and they have to make up for this somehow.