Yea like design the phone properly from the beginning. Not add a patch a year later to throttle due to battery.
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Chips don't overheat because they are designed properly.
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Yea like design the phone properly from the beginning. Not add a patch a year later to throttle due to battery.
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Chips don't overheat because they are designed properly.
...and there you go, you don't understand that chips throttle to prevent overheating. Phones don't have great cooling system so the processor is never going to be able to run 100% with no throttling and not overheat.
I guess you right, the throttling is by design, as it heats up it slows down when it hits a certain tempurature to prevent damage... just like the battery health based throttling.
I've been working with computers all my life dude there is not much you can teach me unless you design microprocessors for a living.
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and that throttling by design due to thermal limitations is taken into account when they advertise "70% or whatever" faster than previous generation.
health based battery throttling is new, just showed with recent generations of iphones and is totally different. And every other competitor says they don't do it.
Mobile devices this complicated and this size are also pretty new. Thermal throttling was also new at one point. Older processors before the Pentium 4 used to just burn up when they got too hot. They had no method of throttling themselves to prevent overheating. They don't anymore... most technically minded people actually consider that a feature and not something negative.
You're also omitting the point that the alternative to this would be have a phone that's constantly reboot (Wow! My phone is just as fast as new but completely useless! This is great!).
This isn't a widespread issue either... it's limited to phones that have a worn out battery. So if you had an option between your phone rebooting and your phone working slower, you would choose rebooting?
I hope Apple adds an option in there for ya to keep your phone rebooting (but really fast, like it should!!).
lol , and how many 6s phones are out there on original battery? Without a battery replacement, a vast majority of the 6s phones are now affected.
I'd rather take a notification that I need a new battery as the throttling gets initiated. rather than be throttled and why device was slowed kept under wraps... It took a 17 year old on reddit to expose what millionaires @ Apple have been hiding from the public.
Never had an issue with any iPhone rebooting and there has been many iPhones in my household since 2008
Everyone likes options. We like options. Why wouldn't anyone like options? It's after all, our device.
If batteries can't handle modern processors then why do they strongly advertise processor speed if they are to be slowed a year down the road? That's a scam in all its letters.
I agree.
that "rebooting option" would result in a visit to the apple store to diagnose the rebooting issue, where they could then tell me " you need a new battery"
I get new battery and my device is no longer rebooting and is running at the original speed that I PAID for.
A simple concept that a select few cannot process and understand fully.
Batteries have a limited life. This is not something you will see on a new phone. You should switch to Samsung they are not a scam and I've heard their batteries don't even burst into flames this year.
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Sure... I just don't think Apple expected everyone to become a power management expert all of a sudden. Would not be surprised if they add an option in.
Be honest though, would you keep the battery health based throttling off if you phone kept rebooting? If you wouldn't they why have an option to begin with, it has no effect unless you phone would be rebooting to begin with.
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...and I think there is nothing wrong with that... Something we can actually agree on.
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So you never had an issue with your phone rebooting, but have you actually checked to see if you're actually being throttled? Not just assumed because newer and more complex iOS will slow older hardware down as it is. I mean have you benchmarked to make sure you are affected?
1. Apple does throttle phones, I never said they don’t. You keep repeating that - but I never said they don’t throttle phones. I said they don’t throttle phones to get you to upgrade. Perhaps you don’t understand the difference. Let me rephrase: the reason they are throttling phones is not to get you to upgrade. I never claimed anything else. This sentence doesn’t mean they are not throttling phones.
2. The “conspiracy theory” here relates to believing the reason Apple is throttling phones has anything to do with motivating people to buy new phones. It’s not tied to throttling itself - we all know they do it. Every CPU throttles under different conditions. That is not a conspiracy. Again: the conspiracy theory here is that they are not doing it to prevent shutdowns, but instead to get you to buy a new device.
3. Intel shut off certain functions of their CPUs, effectively slowing them down, because of recent security vulnerabilities.
4. Neither is forced obsolescence. One is a longevity and the other a security measure. Neither measure is intended to make the product obsolete, in fact the opposite: to allow it to fulfill its primary function for longer, at the cost of performance. In fact, leaving the phone to shut down or the CPU vulnerable to attack would be making them obsolete.
5. The fact you can’t see either of these things tells me you don’t really understand what’s going on.
I agree. But Apple is not doing that. They are not diminishing user experience to force them to upgrade. They are reducing performance to prolong the functionality of the phone and giving you the option to restore that performance.
Diminishing the experience to force you to upgrade would make their engineers quit in protest and loose customers at the same time. They would never do that. You’ll probably misinterpret that sentence, so I’ll emphasize the part “to force you to upgrade”.
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I have four 6s phones in my household , all 4 showed reduced geekbench 4 numbers and CPUDasherX speed. Replaced battery on one phone already and speed went to normal benchmarked numbers per geekbench 4 for a 6s and 1848 Mhz per CPUDasherX. Even Apple uses Geekbench as a comparison, so I have confidence in what it tells me.
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One could argue that Apple had to as well, since it affects them as well with their designed ARM processors. So that point is void.
Funny because they never advertise that fact. They do advertise great battery life, and amazing perfomance (speed), which they aren't providing after a short time. Battery degradation is something only the very techy guys are aware of. I didn't know about it and 95% of the people don't either, when we buy something we expect it to be as advertised for the lifetime of the product.
How much different would it be if they advertised "great battery life, and amazing perfomance (speed) on your first year, then 70% or less on the subsequent years"?
If the phone kept rebooting because of battery, I would get the battery changed. That will give another two years of life to the phone. But, I would also weigh my options at upgrading.
Fair enough then it's possible that the setting was too liberal... again it's basically an art and to calibrate a phone to exactly the point where it starts rebooting based on a certain level of battery health and prevent that is not easy so they probably went too liberal with the throttling. So again I agree with you an option would not hurt. I still stand by this not being planned obsolescence just poorly communicated (though understandably as it can get pretty complicated).
Yeah I feel you dude, my car advertised as nimble and quick yet here I am at 200k miles with sloppy suspension and lower compression in the pistons than what I bought it with. Life is hard though.
That is the one thing I agree with. They should’ve been more transparent and explained just how, exactly, are they preventing shutdowns with that update.
How exactly? My point was that not all speed reductions are aimed against the interest of users.
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Replacing the battery.
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So, replace your battery or we will slow down your phone? Sounds exactly like 'planned obsolescence' to me. Especially since this option seems unknown to customers.
And when was this option revealed? After they were caught red handed. Sounds like the perfect time for this option to come out. After all, no one was able to change their battery before this option became available, right?
Are you intentionally missing the part where the phone were shutting down or are you just #%#% with me?
Planned obsolescence would be to let the phones shut down, out of warranty, which would force much more users to buy new phones.
Look man, you either don’t get it or you’re pulling my leg - but I’m done. Bye.
I think the right word is more like "credibility". I trust they are not going to purposefully break my purchase, ala, "planned obsolescence". But they may not be as credible as they were before.
Re: opinions, yes everybody can have their opinions, there is room for all reasonable opinions.
"Replace your battery or will we slow down your phone" is not a good option. I think we can all agree on that, because that is the only option one has at present.
If it wasn't for US carrier contracts, iPhone would have never happened
If it wasn't for AT&T, iPhone would have never happened
That said, I don't see your point. Are you saying you buy your electronics expecting them to function properly for the duration of the warranty? Your expectations are so low, you are the ideal customer