Several people have stated that batteries cannot supply adequate power when in a low % state or cold - irrespective of age. I was providing experience that counters this.
Your last comment is always made by a person who is having difficulty facing the truth
They aren't though. Many people will get through the 500 charge cycles in a year and a half or less.
I can’t believe the number of people criticizing Apple and saying they should be taken to the cleaners.
So basically they have specified a battery that is barely up to the job in the interests of thinness.
I’m not asking for Apple to be taken to the cleaners. Show my where I said that.
To me the key is the 80% capacity threshold, thats the point at which Apple says the device might start to suffer from battery related issues and recommend a replacement. If it's found that the throttling kicks in before the device degrades to 80% battery health, then that's Apple breaking their own rules and needing to be pulled up for it. How that translates into legal terminology is down to the Lawyers, but I think that's the basic principle that needs to be established.
bolded bit would be the issue there... this seems to be an issue that starts to crop up before even a 24 month contract is up - before much more than a year has gone by if the rollout to devices is to be believed.
There seem to be three general divisions of how this issue is viewed:
Some people watch movies and don't even care about the plot. I think the difference is that when you spend your hard earned money on a iPhone, you will treat it differently than those who bought it from their seven digit bank account.
Why shouldn’t Apple be taught a lesson. They were shady in the “fix” for defective batterys and got caught. Yes recalling all batteries will be a financial hit but they will survive it.
Apple throttled when all Apple had to do was tell the customer his battery was degrading and any issues he is experiencing was related to it. You can spin this any way you want, but Apple was deceptive by going behind customer's back. Therefore, it is worthy to question the intention behind the deception because what Apple was trying to 'remedy' is remediable by the customer, Apple Support, or third party repair.Can’t speak for others, but I’m not defending Apple. In fact, putting pressure on them is just good for consumers. I am glad they will have to think twice about batteries, longevity, optimizing iOS for older devices and communication. That is good. I do not feel sorry for them or have the need to justify them.
However, I hate conspiracy theories, making uninformed conclusions, oversimplification and misleading people. Or following some emotionally charged narratives. This is the kind of thinking that gets people to talk how vaccines are bad at family dinners, or how the moon landing was a hoax.
In the age of internet and social media - everyone’s an expert, everyone knows how things work and how things happen and these explanations are always simple to understand and often wrong and dangerous.
I like to “defend” (if I defend anything) complex explanations and getting informed the best I can (even though my knowledge is average at best) every chance I get. Even on a forum like this.
Instead of a nuanced, complicated but truthful discussion about batteries, design, technology - it’s easier to just explain it all by “planned obsolescence” or an idea that Apple is just greedy. This is what I’m against. No, Apple is not doing planned obsolescence. And yes they are profit focused, but viewing it as greed is having a very narrow outlook. Anyone with a minimum of understanding knows that planned obsolescence would quickly bankrupt Apple, but this is the most common explanation here.
Some people here claim you can have security without updates, some people think there is some mystical battery technology that would make all these problems go away but Apple decides not to use it, some people are comparing completely different devices (“If Nokia didn’t throttle, why would an iPhone”) etc. The lack of understanding is worrisome, and at the same time, myths that are easy to understand but fundamentally wrong are being born here - myths that will be told at dinner tables for years to come. Like the one where Apple is slowing down your phone so you’d buy a new one. Or that vaccines cause autism. Or whatever.
As for Apple, sure I like the company. But I’m not defending them, nor do they need my defense. I write these long posts in hopes someone will read them and start thinking beyond these superficial “answers”. Usually, though, it just ends with someone saying I am a sheep or drink Kool-Aid
