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Read up on the case. It wasn’t just because they included a browser with windows. They bullied Netscape tried to get them to stop development and even tried to limit its distribution channels. Sun Java issues are part of Microsoft’s problem too.

Those were the particulars of the abuse of their monopoly, that's all. There are plenty of ways any company, including Apple, could abuse a monopoly.
 
Those were the particulars of the abuse of their monopoly, that's all. There are plenty of ways any company, including Apple, could abuse a monopoly.
It’s not illegal to be a monopoly. What Microsoft did was illegal but the simple “Windows included IE which is why Microsoft got in trouble” is not the reason.
 
It’s not illegal to be a monopoly. What Microsoft did was illegal but the simple “Windows included IE which is why Microsoft got in trouble” is not the reason.
err.. actually... it is illegal. Well it is in Europe, probably not in North Korea.

Anyone defending anti competitve behaviour (i.e. Apple in this example) needs to understand these laws are in place to protect consumers. Just because I really like Apple and their products does not mean I am ok with all their practices and blindly accept what they deem as an appropriate business model.
 
err.. actually... it is illegal. Well it is in Europe, probably not in North Korea.

Anyone defending anti competitve behaviour (i.e. Apple in this example) needs to understand these laws are in place to protect consumers. Just because I really like Apple and their products does not mean I am ok with all their practices and blindly accept what they deem as an appropriate business model.
Apple isn't violating current antitrust laws, that's why they need new laws such as the DMA to force these changes.

And the beneficiary of these new laws isn't consumers. It's other large corporations. Primarily Google. The same Google that is the actual market share leader and is actually engaging in anticompetitive tactics by entering into agreements with all its horizontal competitors except Apple to push its service across dozens of vertical markets.
 
Remember that time in 2019 that Apple decided that apps for vapes/e-cigs could no longer exist?

I don't personally vape. I think that an app-controlled vape is a dumb idea. Even though the User and Developer want to do a transaction, new App Store rules decided they cannot. Having alternatives to the App Store removes the need for Apple to be the moral gatekeeper of app content.

Apple has shown they are willing & able to change the App Store rules however they like. Feel free to repeat the example with any kind of app that is objectionable in various countries, or might become objectionable in the future due to changing public opinion.
but when Apple makes these changes to the rules it is the people that can speak and get them changed. If people really cared to be able to control their vape from an app there would have been a big uproar. There isn't even a huge vocal uproar over the limits that (in the U.S.) states are putting on vapes let alone not being able to control a vape. Also, what real benefit will one be able to gain from controlling a vape from an app? I used to vape some years ago before 2019 even and I can't think of one instance where I thought this may be a good idea. The only thing I can think of is adjusted power to the vape, but why would I want to wait to grab my phone open the app and then adjust my vape as desired as opposed to pressing 1 of 2 buttons to adjust accordingly
 
The hyperbolic hand-wringing whenever the App Store is discussed really cracks me up. We get lots of nonsense comparisons to brick and mortar retail and their markups. There's endless pearl clutching over the potential for malware. There are more nonsense comparisons to Nintendo or Sony or whatever. There's the childish "go build your own smartphone if you don't like it" sentiment. It's hilarious.

Allowing additional App Stores and side-loading will have no impact on security. Nothing will prevent a user from only using Apple's App Store. Problem solved. Now if a developer decides to take his or her app to another App Store, the user will have to make a decision. Will his or her irrational fear of using a non-Apple App Store win? Only the user can decide. But let's get real. We've all been doing that for decades on the Mac and there isn't a tsunami of malware.

Furthermore, the possibility that someone might download malware isn't MY problem. I don't need Apple or any other entity to nanny me. Besides, there have been repeated cases of scams and apps with malware making it through Apple's review process. This is well documented. So Apple's App Store isn't guaranteed to be free of malware either.

Comparing the iOS market to Nintendo or Sony or Xbox is also a totally specious argument. At this point, iOS is a platform, not a product. When you reach that level of ubiquity, you're going to be scrutinized through a different lens. That's just reality. There should be a different level of scrutiny when billions of people rely on your product.

Personally I don't have a problem with Apple's commission. My problem is with their gatekeeper status. They decide what apps their customers can ultimately use. If the Chinese government tells them to pull thousands of apps from the App Store, they oblige. This is dangerous and, in my opinion, morally unacceptable. Thankfully more and more governments around the world are pushing back on Big Tech Tyranny. No amount of hand-wringing and FUD is going to stop the inevitable dismantling of the App Store monopoly.
I disagree.

The first point (no impact on security because nothing prevents a user from only using apple's App Store) is false in scenario's where employers or schools force the use of certain apps. Things like Lockdown browsers for remote test taking or other proctoring software for exams were obligatory during the covid years: if you didn't use them, you couldn't pass your exams and attain your degree. On iPad and iPhone those apps were completely limited on how creepy and invasive they could be by the sandbox and App Store limitations. After opening the phone, they'll just move to another App Store and be full on creepy/invasive just like they were on the Mac and Windows.

The second point ("not my problem") is also not true for lots of us on these forums. Usually people on these forums are tech savvy, yet often their parents are not. I gave my parents iPhones and iPads so I don't need to worry their computers get riddled with whatever weird malware 'll try to scam them next. This has worked great, and unlike with the pc's they had for years before that I've barely had to interfere and never for malware. If your parents get scammed, it's your future inheritance that gets stolen. It's not your problem until it is.
 
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Apple isn't violating current antitrust laws, that's why they need new laws such as the DMA to force these changes.
It's almost as if companies change as they get bigger. Or did you expect governments to hold them to the same standard as 1980?
 
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Enlighten me. How does one do something illegal with an emulator?🤔

That you think emulator = illegal stuff reveals more about you than the person wanting an emulator.

By your logic, Home Depot/Lowes/Menards should ban the sales of pry bars because thieves can use it to break into people's houses. Who cares if it's an essential tool for contractors to do demonlition work.
The worst "illegal" thing you could do is play ROMS for a game you never had
 
If you buy an Apple TV, you're not walled-into only watching Netflix movies. You can install whatever media app you want and watch whatever is availalble.

If you buy a HomePod, you're not walled into only listening to the music that Apple Music sells.

You get the idea. The idea that Apple users are walled-in is a lie that the competition and ignorant users are fabricating.
Yea you're only "walled in" to the point is it's ridiculously convenient to use the hardware company's content
 
Would love to see Apple implement a Black and White type solution here - when the phone is turned on for the first time, it will ask if you wish to be part of the Apple-run ecosystem, or a privately run eco-system? Phone would then either access only the App Store or, become jail broken and not be able to access the Apple App Store. Keeps it safe for those that don't want the security risk, but for those who think it would be better jailbroken - go for it.
 
Would love to see Apple implement a Black and White type solution here - when the phone is turned on for the first time, it will ask if you wish to be part of the Apple-run ecosystem, or a privately run eco-system? Phone would then either access only the App Store or, become jail broken and not be able to access the Apple App Store. Keeps it safe for those that don't want the security risk, but for those who think it would be better jailbroken - go for it.
I'm actually curious to see the rationale behind this suggestion, especially since actual jailbroken devices do have access to the App Store.
 
No need for a big fine. I heard there was a direct competitor to the Apple strore in France, opened by a guy named Timothee Cuisinier, it's called La Pomme Boutique
 
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The French will always come up with ways to protect....the French, even if it means making up the rules as they go along. Yet you ask them to get the French to obey import or export rules, they allow their farmers to burn imported sheep, they throw away boat loads of other nations legally caught fish, and assist poor potential immigrants who are already in a safe country to do a crossing in tiny rubber boats overladen.
 
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