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French Court Levies Fine Against Apple for Abusive App Store Practices

BaldiMac said:
So? Is that where we are going to next? Forcing product developers to create third-party APIs? Talk about throwing out free speech protections. Sheesh.
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Bold bit doesn't really make sense. The platform owner creates the API.

I don't think third parties were clamouring to support Homepod as they hardly sold any of them but it is one small example of how Apple limit competition on their platform.

If Apple Music was any good they would let it compete with Spotify on the same terms, but it isn't..
 
AppliedMicro said:
Have to break it to you, but a retailer prohibiting every supplier from selling their products on their own website/channel isn't standard retail practice. Neither is a duopoly of two retailers controlling 95%+ of a market a standard reality. Not in retail.
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The retailer on the website also make money off the purchase, it not on there for free.
 
coolfactor said:
You're omitting some important details. It's not like developers are selling peanut butter. They are selling iOS apps... apps written for a specific operating system... iOS.

Apple is not prohibiting developers from developing for other operating systems. The fact that only iOS and Android have survived in the marketplace is not a fault of either Apple or Google. It's because achieving what they have with their operating systems is massively complex and expensive. They stuck it out, executed year after year, while others like Microsoft, Blackberry, etc. threw in the towel when they weren't seeing a return on their investment. They gave up early.

Consumers are deciding the outcome. It's not some conspiracy by Apple or Google.
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Yep what mom and pop store specializing in there own product allows a competitor to sell items in their store for free?
 
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frenchcamp49er said:
Really? Epic for one.
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Yes, really.

Link to where Epic have said Apple shouldn't be allowed to charge anything for the App Store?

When Epic pushed the hotfix that got them banned they were still offering IAP just at a higher cost than buying directly from them. Which they could afford as they weren't coughing 30% to Apple.

Sweeney had previously argued that Apples cut was excessive and 8% was a fair rate.

BaldiMac said:
That's my point. Your argument implies that Apple should be forced to create and maintain APIs for third-parties on the HomePod.


Again, not adding third-party access to native APIs isn't limiting competition. What are you talking about? When Spotify released Car Thing, it certainly didn't natively support Apple Music.


Again, why should Apple be prevented from creating a product that only supports their own music service?!??! There are millions or products that only support their own services.
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When companies, like Apple and Google, are able to build userbases that see them in entrenched dominant positions in markets they shouldn't be allowed to use that dominant position to hurt competition in those markets.

The Spotify Car thing is not a remotely close comparison to two operating systems with billions of active users.
 
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frenchcamp49er said:
Microsoft didnt really lose though.
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Microsoft *is* guilt of exactly the practices that Apple is being accused of, but is not guilty of.

  1. PC Hardware manufacturers were required to sign a license agreement that they would only install Windows, and were not allowed to sell their hardware with competing operating systems.
  2. Internet Explorer was hard-wired into Windows in such a way where it was difficult to bypass, even after installing other browsers.
Apple has been slow at addressing issue #2 regarding browsers on iOS, but the Mac has never suffered that issue with Safari.

Microsoft did achieve dominance because of abusive licensing agreements. That's a proven fact.
 
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Mrkevinfinnerty said:
Bold bit doesn't really make sense. The platform owner creates the API.
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That's my point. Your argument implies that Apple should be forced to create and maintain APIs for third-parties on the HomePod.

Mrkevinfinnerty said:
I don't think third parties were clamouring to support Homepod as they hardly sold any of them but it is one small example of how Apple limit competition on their platform.
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Again, not adding third-party access to native APIs isn't limiting competition. What are you talking about? When Spotify released Car Thing, it certainly didn't natively support Apple Music.

Mrkevinfinnerty said:
If Apple Music was any good they would let it compete with Spotify on the same terms, but it isn't..
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Again, why should Apple be prevented from creating a product that only supports their own music service?!??! There are millions of products that only support their own services.
 
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mc.242x said:
Someone at Apple just pulled up the sofa cushions for spare change and paid the fine. Seriously, this is like them fining me $.50 hoping to teach a lesson.
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Apple feel so righteous because of all the money have gained through the years and 1 million dollars is like feeding peon. Basically what you are saying.
 
MacRumors said:
His investigation found that there are "significant imbalances" in the relationships between Apple and Google and the developers that sell apps on those stores.
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I agree. One side created hardware, software, compilation and test tools and a distribution platform capable of acting as an international product directory and of taking secure payments. The other side didn't.
 
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If a person only read MR for their apple news, the only takeaway that someone would come to is that  is the most despised company on earth.
I don’t know, maybe that’s a valid conclusion.
 
nt5672 said:
No it will not give any hackers the advantage, unless the phones owner opts into it. This is why there is never any balanced discussion. You want your phone secure, then don't opt in. Others have other priorities and knowledge.
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you seem to have missed the bit where you put in a side door that was not their before it was a solid wall, does not matter if its locked someone will get in and now you are screwed because some inept government officials were stupid
 
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Mrkevinfinnerty said:
When companies, like Apple and Google, are able to build userbases that see them in entrenched dominant positions in markets they shouldn't be allowed to use that dominant position to hurt competition in those markets.
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The HomePod does not have an entrenched dominant position in the market.

Mrkevinfinnerty said:
The Spotify Car thing is not a remotely close comparison to two operating systems with billions of active users.
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What does that have to do with HomePods?
 
coolfactor said:
You're omitting some important details. It's not like developers are selling peanut butter. They are selling iOS apps... apps written for a specific operating system... iOS.

Apple is not prohibiting developers from developing for other operating systems.
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It's like selling peanut butter made for a specific type of bread.

While two bread makers have cornered the bread market by selling their own specific of type of bread each, for a combined 95% or so of the bread market.

And if you could technically prevent your bread from non-approved spreads being put onto it
imagine the kind of commissions that bread producer could act from the peanut butter makers!

frenchcamp49er said:
Yep what mom and pop store specializing in there own product allows a competitor to sell items in their store for free?
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Apple and Google aren't mom and pop stores.
And they aren't just one or two among a half a dozen competing retailers.
 
JohnnyAppleSeed1 said:
I'll never understand people with this mindset. So you want a worse experience on IOS because you back apple so hard? You want people to stop making apps on IOS, and remove it from the app store so you cannot use it at all, and only android can? Makes no sense at all.
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I don't want any app by any whiny dev. The only reason they make any money at all is because of Apple. Be grateful Apple allows you to make a living and just work on your app.
 
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