No, Google has only HELPED engineer ONE phone TOGETHER with Samsung. Google doesn't make phones, just the OS. Just like Microsoft to Apple.
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No, Google has only HELPED engineer ONE phone TOGETHER with Samsung. Google doesn't make phones, just the OS. Just like Microsoft to Apple.
If you asked people, they probably would have wanted flash when iPhone was first being released. It's not the users that decide such things, it's the CEO's.
I think I'd like to have an option to turn flash on when necessary on my iPhone, but then again one thing I'd ilke more is that every website having a non-flash alternative, simply for better browsing experience. I use click2flash on Safari and Flashblock on Firefox and it speeds up browsing immensely. Only on websites which require Flash to function do I enable it and it'd be better if those websites used html, for my taste.
So there's the dilemma. Two things I want are mutually incompatible.
Fortunately people need flash less and less for mobile browsing. Most flash sites have built their mobile sites which doesn't use flash already.
I think I'd like to have an option to turn flash on when necessary on my iPhone, but then again one thing I'd ilke more is that every website having a non-flash alternative, simply for better browsing experience. I use click2flash on Safari and Flashblock on Firefox and it speeds up browsing immensely. Only on websites which require Flash to function do I enable it and it'd be better if those websites used html, for my taste.
So there's the dilemma. Two things I want are mutually incompatible.
Fortunately people need flash less and less for mobile browsing. Most flash sites have built their mobile sites which doesn't use flash already.
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Sitting below? You're implying he's in hell? You 'bet' he regrets his decisions?Most people agree he's made some of the best decisions of our time. You have no damn idea how his relationship was with him family.
Steve Jobs' death has really brought out the trash from the sewage. How despicable. Oh, and learn some damn spelling/grammar.
Yup. This.
I especially love the new notification bar in iOS. Very novel. Oh... wait...
That's what Steve wanted, because he saw it being possible to have rich web without bloated security risk called Flash and he was 200% spot on.
I wish that 'Something917483974' girl would post again. I am against her completely but I love reading her dying efforts to fight off 99% of the people in here lol.
That's Verizon Wireless with "Droid" - Android is a generic term for a humanoid robot. "Droid" is a Lucasfilm trademark that Verizon Wireless exclusively licensed for use in phone marketing. And it's marketing that is over the top macho, stupid, and annoying. One more reason to hate Verizon. Not that the network isn't a good enough reason to hate them (coverage here is TERRIBLE and the people are rude and insist they're the best and the salespeople try to convince people they're buying 4G when we probably won't see 4G in the contract period of any phone sold today)
As for the OS being stolen. Not even remotely, at least not from Apple. Oracle claims it's stolen from Java, and that's OBVIOUSLY true - but Sun didn't care. That was Google's problem - they relied on an unwritten "we don't care what you do with Java" attitude from Sun, not a written contract that'd survive the Oracle buyout. Sadly, and I think it's jerkish since Sun didn't care, Oracle has a case. Some of the files are taken right out of Java.
Show me one place Google stole from Apple. Sure, some visual concepts that make logical sense are the same - but that's a two way street. Look at iOS 5 "stealing" Androids superior notifications. You have a touchscreen, there's only so many ways to do things. Imagine if we had this nonsense when things like buttons were invented.
Now, Oracle, yeah, they have a good case. Google just TOOK Sun code. The problem is Sun was OKAY with that, thus why I feel no sympathy for Oracle. But you'd think a company as big as Google would have got an actual license on a product they expected to go big to save this pain later.
People need to stop posting picture of the galaxy s with the touchwiz drawer open, thats not the home screen. Thats the app list. The home screen looks completely different
Steve's anger at Schmidt was 100% justified. As an Apple board member he obviously took advantage of privileged information and fed it to Google. Not for the first time Steve trusted a competing strategic partner's CEO and got shafted.
Android looked like something from the 1970s and their phones looked like Blackberries. Then magically the OS looked like iOS and the devices looked like iPhones. I hope the court decision either totally prevents Google's partners from producing phones and tablets with Android on, or the licencing agreement makes it financially no longer viable.
But what no-one seems to be exploring is the possibility that Schmidt could be charged with industrial espionage. He stole a massive quantity of intellectual property and his company benefited from it. Criminal charges would seal his and Android's fate even more effectively.
Android looked like something from the 1970s and their phones looked like Blackberries. Then magically the OS looked like iOS and the devices looked like iPhones. I hope the court decision either totally prevents Google's partners from producing phones and tablets with Android on, or the licencing agreement makes it financially no longer viable.
But what no-one seems to be exploring is the possibility that Schmidt could be charged with industrial espionage. He stole a massive quantity of intellectual property and his company benefited from it. Criminal charges would seal his and Android's fate even more effectively.
And exactly which part Android is stolen from Linux?
And exactly which part is Linux stolen from Unix?
Is BSD stolen from Unix?
If that's the best counter argument, I don't think we need to dwell on this any more...
The fact that you said Linus somehow stole from Unix in writing Linux totally invalidates any possible point you have to make.
Actually there was a bunch of other multi-touch products out there before iPhone's release. Apple tried to patent it and of course denied of the patent. Also, the Palm Treo and some other phones had full web browsing. Also, don't say that iPhone has "full web features" it can't even run flash without jailbreaking it.
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In other news, Steve Jobs is always afraid of competition and now, Android OS beats iOS in the market worldwide. Mac OS, Android, and iOS are all guilty of stealing from Linux. Android used certain aspects of Java, but not stolen? It's ridiculous because even Palm OS is java based. Either way, kiddies. Enough of this nonsense. Steve Jobs is dead, which I do feel bad for the poor man, but people give Apple way too much credit than he is given for.
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Everyone on Gizmodo and Engadget is gonna rise up with their Android users and misunderstand some things about this.
"Great artists steal" and Xerox come to mind in the Jobs getting pissed at Google thing. I understand that Xerox openly gave Steve and Apple access to the gui they had created and the team ran off and did their own version.
Google pulled a page from Microsoft and got a whole lot of ideas from the iPhone, all the way down to the App Store and then whored it out to the eager phone manufacturers who NEEDED something to unify their fight against the iPhone.
Google does well because it's on 30 something phones and multiple carriers and has been longer that the iPhone.
Windows will copy the apps... that already kind of failed but they market the OS to everyone.
Blackberry has stuck to keeping their product and OS together like Apple does but they just have so much missing. It's like they became the new Palm.
Google saw an opportunity and took it. They copied the iPhone, added this 'open' tag to it to get the geeks who think 'open' is a tangible product and not an idea; basically they play the same Angry Birds and Facebook as any other teenager (I use it because it's "open", my ass). Google did tweak it up and add some nice features. They have a following from need and good hardware manufacturers.
I personally think Apple needs to look at this like video games, exclusive titles. Apps made only for iOS. Improving the experience of using an iOS device. Siri is a fantastic first start for that.
"Great artists steal" and Xerox come to mind in the Jobs getting pissed at Google thing. I understand that Xerox openly gave Steve and Apple access to the gui they had created and the team ran off and did their own version.
Google pulled a page from Microsoft and got a whole lot of ideas from the iPhone, all the way down to the App Store and then whored it out to the eager phone manufacturers who NEEDED something to unify their fight against the iPhone.
Google does well because it's on 30 something phones and multiple carriers and has been longer that the iPhone.
Windows will copy the apps... that already kind of failed but they market the OS to everyone.
Blackberry has stuck to keeping their product and OS together like Apple does but they just have so much missing. It's like they became the new Palm.
Google saw an opportunity and took it. They copied the iPhone, added this 'open' tag to it to get the geeks who think 'open' is a tangible product and not an idea; basically they play the same Angry Birds and Facebook as any other teenager (I use it because it's "open", my ass). Google did tweak it up and add some nice features. They have a following from need and good hardware manufacturers.
I personally think Apple needs to look at this like video games, exclusive titles. Apps made only for iOS. Improving the experience of using an iOS device. Siri is a fantastic first start for that.
Multitouch products, not phones. Apple didn't invent multitouch, nor does anyone believe that they did. Apple acquired Fingerworks together with their multitouch patents, and they own them.
I hate this attitude. This is not the attitude that made Apple great nor the one that made Apple products great. I loved Apple when it was all about making great products that had the customers in mind, a positive, competitive attitude. All this negativity has brought us is a ton of lawsuits and apparently a lost focus.
I'd much rather see Apple use some of that 80billion to do something for us customers and come up with another great product then throw it at some stupid lawyers. Use this energy going into fighting this war into inventing something new .. a feature really separating you from the competition.
What really freaks me out is the amount of people around here that actually support this crap. What the hell do you guys even care? It is not you personally loosing money because of Android. Apple delivered a fantastic product with the best App Store around, so you got the best in every way .. why is it a problem if some other company has a good product too? And I seriously try to wrap my mind around this, trying to understand why so many people are so passionate about this or where it actually changes even the slightest thing in their respective lives. The only people really benefiting from this "war" is a few lawyers.
Anyways .. I am happy Android is around. It keeps Apple on their heels. I am very happy that I am in a place that I can enjoy Apples fine products myself and benefit from this rivalry.
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I'd much rather see Apple use some of that 80billion to do something for us customers and come up with another great product then throw it at some stupid lawyers. Use this energy going into fighting this war into inventing something new .. a feature really separating you from the competition.
What really freaks me out is the amount of people around here that actually support this crap. What the hell do you guys even care? It is not you personally loosing money because of Android. Apple delivered a fantastic product with the best App Store around, so you got the best in every way .. why is it a problem if some other company has a good product too? And I seriously try to wrap my mind around this, trying to understand why so many people are so passionate about this or where it actually changes even the slightest thing in their respective lives. The only people really benefiting from this "war" is a few lawyers.
Anyways .. I am happy Android is around. It keeps Apple on their heels. I am very happy that I am in a place that I can enjoy Apples fine products myself and benefit from this rivalry.
T.
Are you kidding me? So Apple should only spend money on new products and never protect their own intellectual property when people go ahead and copy it? Which company can actually survive that way?
Not to mention their money is mostly spent on R&D and day to day activities rather than lawsuits. Apple isn't short on cash so spending more on lawsuits doesn't mean they don't have any money left for R&D.
Because despite all this hullabaloo about "copying" iOS, Google hasn't actually done anything illegal.
Software Patents and Copyrights do not protect an "idea". They protect methods and source code, respectively.
Similar as the ideas are, Google implemented their own methods in their own original code.
You forgot the part about google being non-libel for anything. It's in their license agreement.
That's why apple is going after the handset makers and not google.
Very true.
As the warm & fuzzy spin many apply to his eulogies fade, it is slowly becoming more well known, just what a tyrant he was.