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From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"

jdawgnoonan said:
Because true Apple haters are idiots. They do not know what they are talking about and they believe that they are technical/gadget/computing enthusiasts, but they irrationally hate Apple for reasons that they can not quite explain without spouting urban legends that they have heard.

I am a tech enthusiast because i use all platforms and I know about them all. iPhone 4S is probably the best phone (despite the fact that my phone is a Samsung GS2, which is pretty awesome as well), I love my iPad, my Macs, my Windows systems, and my Linux systems.

The people with illogical hate for Apple are morons.
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Let me fix this for you

The people with illogical hate for any company are morons.

You can see in this thread that there are people with illogical hate for Google/Android just like there are people with illogical hate for Apple/iOS.

Both extremes are counter productive to having a rational and intelligent discussion.
 
Actually, there are some things that are inherent in technology that shouldn't be able to be claimed. I do not see Android as stealing Apple's ideas, they went a bit different route, the items that are similar are basic concepts and should be freely allowed.

I think Apple would be better off to abandon the idea of trying to stop Android at all possible costs and instead invest the money in making a product that is better, otherwise someone else will improve upon Apple's offerings and will knock out Apple.
 
samcraig said:
Let me fix this for you

The people with illogical hate for any company are morons.

You can see in this thread that there are people with illogical hate for Google/Android just like there are people with illogical hate for Apple/iOS.

Both extremes are counter productive to having a rational and intelligent discussion.
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The same is true for people with illogical obsession for any company.

Like..... apple evangelicals? ;)
 
jayenh said:
I'll just leave these here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile

The grid layout of Android may or may not be a "copy" of the iPhone, but Apple and iOS hardly invented the grid of icons layout. Even the old windows phones, beneath that sort of "desktop", have the icon grid layout for apps and settings. What Apple did get right was using a touchscreen that is insanely responsive.
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Check this one out too.

And I wouldn't even say Apple biggest success was using an insanely responsive touch screen. It's be putting all the options together in a nice package that was easy to use.

Web browsing, email, music, calendar, address book, etc. etc. in the first iPhone and made it seamless.
 
wikus said:
The same is true for people with illogical obsession for any company.

Like..... apple evangelicals? ;)
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We can make a list of types of morons.

Like people who state anyone that makes a positive comment is a fanboy of X or that if you say something critical it makes you a troll.

And many more :)
 
Digital Skunk said:
Agreed 100% across the board.

The users on these forums will just continue to lack any real notion about what's going on in the tech world unless it revolves around Apple. It's one thing to pick up a piece of technology knowing it's limitations and advantages; it's another to pick it up solely because someone told you to do so.

The first iPhone was a perfect example. My Treo 600 smashed that phone in features, but it's UI was terrible. I'd kill for an iPhone back then, but I am spoiled by phones that actually do things, like send SMSs, so I stuck it out with the Treos then went to Android.

The iPhone really didn't become a smartphone until the App Store and standard smartphone features like SMS, and filesharing came into the picture either by jailbreaking or by being unleashed by Apple.

The iPhone will be my next phone (if they put a bigger screen on it) but I would NEVER say that Android is anything less than a worthy competitor.
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I was hoping to pick up an iPhone 4 8 GB without a contract but the $549 price is outrageous. The same for the 3GS. I sadly do not want to get stuck into a contract. I am saturated with Wi-Fi the majority of the time but I still wanted the ability to place phone calls remotely and the GPS. The iPod Touch sadly does not meet those requirements. Not to mention it was not even updated at all this time around.

I decided to pick up a Samsung Exhibit 4G (~$270) and just use my T-Mobile prepaid SIM in the meantime. T-Mobile is offering a decent $30/month no contract plan with plenty of data (for me anyways), texting, and a few voice minutes. I am still waiting to see how that turns out with AT&T before diving in.

The biggest feature of my phone outside of the web browser would be the calendar or camera. I like having those two things pocketable.

I am also quite wary of all corporations. It is just difficult to pry myself from services (Google) that at worst are platform agnostic when you can retrieve them from nearly any web browser. I am honestly considering Ubuntu as my next operating system but games primarily keep me on Windows. I just do not want to pay into Apple's coffers for their product incest feedback loop and the same for Microsoft. If Ubuntu falls off the deep end there are plenty of other 'nix.

Which goes back to the bottom, if my toaster has a decent web browser. I will be using my toaster.

Google suffers the least of my vocal ire but I am always concerned about being tracked and what exactly they are doing with my information. That keeps me up at night.
 
samcraig said:
Unfortunately for Jobs, Schmidt can have the last word...
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There was a hilarious picture someone made about jobs the day he died. I can't find it but it was a picture of him and it read 'Claim flash is dead.... dies before flash'

I think Shantanu Narayan has the second last word as well.
 
glap1922 said:
If apple didn't think advertising would bring them enough money to be worth it they wouldn't do it. They indroduced iads to make money, either directly from the ads or indirectly by using it to entise devs to make free apps. Either way, they saw that controlling this product increased their revenue.
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Obviously if they knew they'd be losing money over it they wouldn't do it. That's not an argument. Of course they wanted to make money through it. But that money, as I'm saying, couldn't have been something too critical for Apple. Apple has lots of small projects where they map at most 8 figure revenue annually, but compared to their actual revenue stream those are insignificant.
 
Wait a minute. Isn't this the same guy who also said "we have no shame in taking a good idea and copying it?" in regards to telling his team to copy the graphic gui he saw on his tour at xerox? I love steve jobs, but when he's wrong, he's wrong. Yes, android is 100% inspired by the iphone, so what? And even though i will never buy one, the truth is android will never be destroyed. You guys can rate me down for this but it's the truth.
 
iBug2 said:
Obviously if they knew they'd be losing money over it they wouldn't do it. That's not an argument. Of course they wanted to make money through it. But that money, as I'm saying, couldn't have been something too critical for Apple. Apple has lots of small projects where they map at most 8 figure revenue annually, but compared to their actual revenue stream those are insignificant.
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But that wasn't the point. The point was that if google hadn't aquired/developed android apple would have gladly allowed them to continue making money through the iphone indefiniately, and that apple has never branched into advertising. It was a smart business move for google to create their own gateway to mobile advertising revenue, just as apple would have undoubtably done themselves down the line, leaving google high and dry.
The advertising revenue is not insignificant to apple because it effects other areas of their business positively, such as developers being more inclined to create free apps, which in turn brings more users to ios.

Again, I LOVE my apple products, enjoyed my iphone when I had it, but also enjoy android phones for their specific features.
 
KnightWRX said:
The problem is you're basically suggesting that every company reinvent the wheel each time they want to make a new product. Why does the wheel need reinventing ?

All innovation is built on the shoulders of giants that came before. That's how we move forward by taking existing concepts, refining them, making them more efficient, more elegant.

Apple is the king of doing this. They don't innovate independently at all. They take existing things, make them better, add the Apple "touch" to them and release polished products. They take cues from other products out there, they buy up companies that have good products/services and they merge them into their eco-system.

Doing it the way you suggest would spell the death of Apple really. Apple doesn't invent, Apple innovates.
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There's a world of difference between what I suggested and reinventing the wheel. And it's only a gameplay on semantics whether Apple invents or innovates. All I know is before iPhone we didn't have multitouch smartphones. So even though Apple did not invent multitouch nor smartphone, they did invent multitouch smartphone. Call it any word you like, because I don't recall many inventions which are 100% independent of anything that came beforehand. To be able to do such a thing one has to live apart from society in the first place. Otherwise you are living inside a world of things people before you came up with, so inspiration is unavoidable.

What I'm asking is that companies do what Apple does. Apple didn't "improve" on the blackberry design, which was the most successful smartphone back then. iPhone and BB have almost nothing in common in terms of usage. Or at least, they have much less in common than a HTC and iPhone.

So I'd expect every company to take big risks like Apple did, to come up with actually different ways of doing things. That way I think would be best for everyone. One company taking big risks and other companies riding on those risks is at least boring.
 
musiciscool said:
maybe it had something to do with Eric Schmidt being on Apple's board of directors? Then resigning, and making a competing product? Hello?!
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I believe Google had aquired android before he was ever asked to join the board. Android was in development earlier than the iphone, it just took longer to be released, if I recall correctly.
 
glap1922 said:
But that wasn't the point. The point was that if google hadn't aquired/developed android apple would have gladly allowed them to continue making money through the iphone indefiniately, and that apple has never branched into advertising. It was a smart business move for google to create their own gateway to mobile advertising revenue, just as apple would have undoubtably done themselves down the line, leaving google high and dry.
The advertising revenue is not insignificant to apple because it effects other areas of their business positively, such as developers being more inclined to create free apps, which in turn brings more users to ios.

Again, I LOVE my apple products, enjoyed my iphone when I had it, but also enjoy android phones for their specific features.
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I think the only initiative of Apple destroying Android would be to sell more iPhones, because the extra revenue that would bring would be 100 times more than the revenue Apple would get from controlling mobile advertising.
 
samcraig said:
We can make a list of types of morons.

Like people who state anyone that makes a positive comment is a fanboy of X or that if you say something critical it makes you a troll.

And many more :)
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The moderators on macrumors belong on that list as well. I've called out people with this psychotic behaviour and have received numerous warnings because of that.

Its almost as if macrumors doesnt want you to be able to criticize ideas that go against apple evangelism. I should also point out that one of my replies in this page was removed. So, not only is criticizing ideas not allowed, censorship is also on macrumors policy. not sure if i can say theres a whole lot of credibility behind this forum.

that said, i think guy kawasaki is a disgusting d-bag.
 
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likemyorbs said:
Wait a minute. Isn't this the same guy who also said "we have no shame in taking a good idea and copying it?" in regards to telling his team to copy the graphic gui he saw on his tour at xerox? I love steve jobs, but when he's wrong, he's wrong. Yes, android is 100% inspired by the iphone, so what? And even though i will never buy one, the truth is android will never be destroyed. You guys can rate me down for this but it's the truth.
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Eric Schmidt was on the board for Apple, privy to trade secrets as they were developing the iPhone and iOS. Then he resigned and made a competing product. That IS theft! That is different from being inspired by, or even copying ideas as an outsider. He was IN their house, on their team and he stole their work.
 
They forgot the last part of the quote "And after I destroy Android, I am gonna kill Bill."

This thread was in dire need of a post that wasn't anti-Android/iPhone
 
4D4M said:
The iPhone won't be your next phone then. Apple worked out long ago what the optimum screen size is.
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Things change. Get used to it. To imply that Apple will never change the screen size - ever - is ignorant.
 
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