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Eric Schmidt was on the board for Apple, privy to trade secrets as they were developing the iPhone and iOS. Then he resigned and made a competing product. That IS theft! That is different from being inspired by, or even copying ideas as an outsider. He was IN their house, on their team and he stole their work.

You need to go back and read history and understand the timeline involved. Because you're wrong. Stop dispelling FUD.
 
I was hoping to pick up an iPhone 4 8 GB without a contract but the $549 price is outrageous. The same for the 3GS. I sadly do not want to get stuck into a contract. I am saturated with Wi-Fi the majority of the time but I still wanted the ability to place phone calls remotely and the GPS. The iPod Touch sadly does not meet those requirements. Not to mention it was not even updated at all this time around.

I decided to pick up a Samsung Exhibit 4G (~$270) and just use my T-Mobile prepaid SIM in the meantime. T-Mobile is offering a decent $30/month no contract plan with plenty of data (for me anyways), texting, and a few voice minutes. I am still waiting to see how that turns out with AT&T before diving in.

The biggest feature of my phone outside of the web browser would be the calendar or camera. I like having those two things pocketable.

I am also quite wary of all corporations. It is just difficult to pry myself from services (Google) that at worst are platform agnostic when you can retrieve them from nearly any web browser. I am honestly considering Ubuntu as my next operating system but games primarily keep me on Windows. I just do not want to pay into Apple's coffers for their product incest feedback loop and the same for Microsoft. If Ubuntu falls off the deep end there are plenty of other 'nix.

Which goes back to the bottom, if my toaster has a decent web browser. I will be using my toaster.

Google suffers the least of my vocal ire but I am always concerned about being tracked and what exactly they are doing with my information. That keeps me up at night.

Truth is I was holding out for a Sprint release, and now it's here, but Android has always caught up and in some regards passed what Apple is offering. I was going to jump ship to the iPhone 4 or whatever but the screen size is really getting to me.

Again, it's personal, and something I could get over. I may breakdown and get it because Billings on the iPad looks terrible, and I use Things constantly and it'd be nice to have those on my phone. The Galaxy SII or whatever it's called seems like a nice way to go as of now.

I am probably always going to be a Mac tower guy, was tempted by the iMac but I am waiting to see what this new Mac Pro will bring. As long as I can get Civ 5 and whatever Sid makes next on my Mac natively, I'll be okay for games. I was pissed when I heard that they weren't putting C&C4's expansion pack on the Mac though.
 
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maybe it had something to do with Eric Schmidt being on Apple's board of directors? Then resigning, and making a competing product? Hello?!

Schmidt entered Apple's board more than a year after Google bought Android. So they were making a competing product and Jobs knew it.
 
You need to go back and read history and understand the timeline involved. Because you're wrong. Stop dispelling FUD.

Schmidt was elected to Apple's board in 2006. Apple started developing the iPhone in 2005. So during the development of the phone Schmidt was on the board. He resigned in 2009, so he oversaw more than the development, he was there during the development of iOS 2 and 3 as well.

So that's history.
 
I would love to know exactly which ideas were "stolen".

Steve is the ultimate troll. Extremely smart man. He knows that his passionate fans are going to read this or what he said about Gates, not really question him and then passionately live their lives repeating it as gospel. That's something that I noticed that he loves to do. Howard stern is go ing to be really obnoxious after reading that book. He's a perfect example of how Apple presents itself as a religion.
 
The iPhone won't be your next phone then. Apple worked out long ago what the optimum screen size is.

Don't say that!!! :(

That phone really is begging for at least a 4" screen. The current size is just paltry.

Would be sad if it did. I just came off my 3GS to a brand new 4S. If I hated iOS because I keep thinking Android didn't copy iOS, I'd be a darn sad person to upgrade to the newest iOS phone. :(

You'd be one twisted guy, getting his kicks from flame attacks and down votes on forums.

Maybe I will deal with the screen size then . . . . . ugh. :p
 
Schmidt entered Apple's board more than a year after Google bought Android. So they were making a competing product and Jobs knew it.

When Google bought Android they were not doing anything that could compete with iPhone. Android before iPhone looked a lot like BB interface, which obviously wouldn't have caused much issues with Apple, since BB wasn't their property. But after iPhone Android project was rebooted to imitate iPhone rather than BB, that is what pissed Jobs.
 
Schmidt was elected to Apple's board in 2006. Apple started developing the iPhone in 2005. So during the development of the phone Schmidt was on the board. He resigned in 2009, so he oversaw more than the development, he was there during the development of iOS 2 and 3 as well.

So that's history.

And when did Google acquire/develop Android?

THAT history...
 
Can we stop with the spoilers on a biography that doesn't even come out for another 3 days, please?

It's no different than spoiling a major event in a video game or movie. Hate this crap.
 
There's only so many ways you can make a phone. Saying Android copied Apple is like saying Burger King copied McDonalds because they put a piece of beef between two pieces of bread or every car company in the world copied Ford because they put four wheels on some seats with an engine somewhere in there.
 
Truth is I was holding out for a Sprint release, and now it's here, but Android has always caught up and in some regards passed what Apple is offering. I was going to jump ship to the iPhone 4 or whatever but the screen size is really getting to me.

Again, it's personal, and something I could get over. I may breakdown and get it because Billings on the iPad looks terrible, and I use Things constantly and it'd be nice to have those on my phone. The Galaxy SII or whatever it's called seems like a nice way to go as of now.
Whatever meets your needs. I considered an iPhone but I am pleasantly surprised how well my Samsung phone turned out. I do not even need to add more prepaid minutes until next year and I can use the GPS just fine. Map pre-caching is a godsend as well.

There were plenty of Android options to dig through so I just settled on two features. The WVGA (800 x 480 ) display and a front facing camera for video calls. I managed to snag both of those for under $300 on my phone. I just added a 16 GB Class 10 MicroSD and boy is it noticeably faster given the applications and cache stored on there.

I am probably always going to be a Mac tower guy, was tempted by the iMac but I am waiting to see what this new Mac Pro will bring. As long as I can get Civ 5 and whatever Sid makes next on my Mac natively, I'll be okay for games. I was pissed when I heard that they weren't putting C&C4's expansion pack on the Mac though.
That is just fine. My Windows tower meets my needs and so does my Macbook. I keep eyeing getting another computer but the need is sorely lacking even if I have plenty of funds to do so. At the very least I need a portable computer when I am out on-site. Even at 4 years old, I doubt I will be replacing my MacBook.

I should be closing in on 700 hours in Civilization V over the past 12 months. Once more, "another generation is lost to that game".
 
I think Google is just fine as a company. Obviously its contributions to the fields of online search, e-mail, mapping, and video distribution (among others) are incredible.

That said - I think Android is an abomination for a number of reasons.

First off, lets call a spade a spade, and say its a rip-off. Android ripped off Oracle's Java platform. It ripped off numerous Microsoft IP. And it blatantly copied the touchscreen interface, and many other elements of iOS. (Samsun's touchwiz took this to a new level.)

Why did this happen? Short answer: Google rushed it. They didn't spend the time to negotiate a proper Java license from Oracle. They didn't spend the time to create their own interface model.

Secondly, I think it fair to say that Android is sold to a lot of consumers under false pretences. I see the commercials that suggest that buying an Android phone somehow gives you the power to control fighter jets and slay dragons. (Apple IPhone commercials generally show people actually using the phone..) Maybe tech-heads can do wonderful things with their Androids. But most normal people frankly struggle to do much more than send text messages and do the odd wikipedia search. The obnoxious jerks at the mall cellphone kiosks who tell people they are "just like the iPhone" are lying through their crooked yellow teeth.

Thirdly, I don't think Google is actually doing itself any favors with Android. I flat out refuse to believe they are making any acutal money on it. Their business model is screwed up. And I think at some point Google's Board is going to force them to "face the music" and either change the business model, or pull the plug on it.

Fourth, I thought at one time that teenagers' MySpace pages were the absolute nadir of taste and design. Then I started seeing people's Android lockscreens. Ugggh. Android is ugly enough on its own Fact is, 99% of the people in the world have about as much sense of color, layout, and design as a box of dirty socks.

Fifth, I think the whole Google story about "free" and "open-source" is a load of horsecrap. Google gives away Android (something they essentially stole) in the hopes that you'll click on a bunch of obnoxious pop-up ads. Google claims their number one rule is "Don't Be Evil." Please explain how using stolen property to con people into signing a contract for a phone plan they can't use properly, don't really need, and can't afford either, in any way meets that standard?

Lastly, I simply don't like that little green Robot. It looks like a garbage can thats grown arms.
 
That's a long way from "Microsoft doesn't have to lose for Apple to win," his statement that won me over when he first became CEO for the second time.
I couldn't agree more. I preferred the slightly humbler Steve Jobs that existed before he got all Moby Dick on destroying Google.
 
I love Steve jobs' attitude, because i can totally relate. When someone does something so offensive and wrong (e.g. steal your world-changing idea), it deserves a "scorched earth" response. I say spending every penny of Apple's fortune to destroy Android would be the best money they could ever spend. It makes a statement and shows that principles are more important than money. Too bad Steve's not around to see it through :(
 
And when did Google acquire/develop Android?

THAT history...

Google acquired Android in 2005, and they were developing it after iPhone was released. So Google was developing Android when Schmidt was sitting on the Apple board throughout 2005 to 2009.
 
Eric Schmidt was on the board for Apple, privy to trade secrets as they were developing the iPhone and iOS. Then he resigned and made a competing product. That IS theft! That is different from being inspired by, or even copying ideas as an outsider. He was IN their house, on their team and he stole their work.

Yes, and steve STOLE what he saw when xerox let him in for a tour. what's your point?
 
I think Google is just fine as a company. Obviously its contributions to the fields of online search, e-mail, mapping, and video distribution (among others) are incredible.

That said - I think Android is an abomination for a number of reasons.

First off, lets call a spade a spade, and say its a rip-off. Android ripped off Oracle's Java platform. It ripped off numerous Microsoft IP. And it blatantly copied the touchscreen interface, and many other elements of iOS. (Samsun's touchwiz took this to a new level.)

Why did this happen? Short answer: Google rushed it. They didn't spend the time to negotiate a proper Java license from Oracle. They didn't spend the time to create their own interface model.

Secondly, I think it fair to say that Android is sold to a lot of consumers under false pretences. I see the commercials that suggest that buying an Android phone somehow gives you the power to control fighter jets and slay dragons. (Apple IPhone commercials generally show people actually using the phone..) Maybe tech-heads can do wonderful things with their Androids. But most normal people frankly struggle to do much more than send text messages and do the odd wikipedia search. The obnoxious jerks at the mall cellphone kiosks who tell people they are "just like the iPhone" are lying through their crooked yellow teeth.

Thirdly, I don't think Google is actually doing itself any favors with Android. I flat out refuse to believe they are making any acutal money on it. Their business model is screwed up. And I think at some point Google's Board is going to force them to "face the music" and either change the business model, or pull the plug on it.

Fourth, I thought at one time that teenagers' MySpace pages were the absolute nadir of taste and design. Then I started seeing people's Android lockscreens. Ugggh. Android is ugly enough on its own Fact is, 99% of the people in the world have about as much sense of color, layout, and design as a box of dirty socks.

Fifth, I think the whole Google story about "free" and "open-source" is a load of horsecrap. Google gives away Android (something they essentially stole) in the hopes that you'll click on a bunch of obnoxious pop-up ads. Google claims their number one rule is "Don't Be Evil." Please explain how using stolen property to con people into signing a contract for a phone plan they can't use properly, don't really need, and can't afford either, in any way meets that standard?

Lastly, I simply don't like that little green Robot. It looks like a garbage can thats grown arms.

Sixth, the Google market place is full of malware apps.
 
Check this one out too.

And I wouldn't even say Apple biggest success was using an insanely responsive touch screen. It's be putting all the options together in a nice package that was easy to use.

Web browsing, email, music, calendar, address book, etc. etc. in the first iPhone and made it seamless.

Of course. I had them in mind, just didn't link. Obviously Apple got a lot of things right, but personally a touchscreen that doesn't make you want to throw the device at a wall was a big one for me at the time. I have to say though, while you list excellent features, I don't like the calander on the iPhone at all, but that's just another personal opinion.
 
Ok, let them ship all their phones without gestures, where you can't flip to scroll. The way you interact with your phone is not a minor detail in any sense of the word.
IF APPLE drops capacitive touchscreen : ok


Also I'm not mixing up anything. How many multitouch phones were there before the iPhone? Zero. How many are there now? Hard to even count. Apple doesn't need to own multitouch to have caused a paradigm shift.

Bs capacative caused that, lot easier to use. And still isnt about basic gui You can make excuses all day but the rectangular almost all touchscreen gui was released before iphone.
 
iOS wouldn't be what it is today without Android, and Android wouldn't be what it is today with the iOS.

The same can be said for Windows Mobile, Palm OS, BBX, etc.

They've all shared/grown/learned from each other.

To suggest that any single idea is the beginning and the end of a device is absolutely insane and demonstrates a bias of particular users that leaves no room for logical conversation.

Enjoy owning an iPhone, as I do, but don't let that blind your eyes to the obvious world around you.
 
Google acquired Android in 2005, and they were developing it after iPhone was released. So Google was developing Android when Schmidt was sitting on the Apple board throughout 2005 to 2009.

And you honestly think that Steve wasn't aware. Or that Schmidt pulled one over on Apple. Sincerely?

And you also sincerely believe that Apple wasn't trying to prevent Android going to market by enticing Schmidt to become an Apple service provider instead.

Ok. You're entitled.
 
There's only so many ways you can make a phone. Saying Android copied Apple is like saying Burger King copied McDonalds because they put a piece of beef between two pieces of bread or every car company in the world copied Ford because they put four wheels on some seats with an engine somewhere in there.

Really? If Jobs thought that, maybe we'd still have the BB design as the default Smartphone and we'd be using mini keyboards with a miniball in the middle.

If you asked me, what would the future of mobile computing be, today, I'd answer, probably voice control. Make a better voice activated A.I. than Siri, so much better that it can do everything yo do, everything, using your voice. That is everything which doesn't require you to look at the phone.

If someone comes up with that, that'll be another paradigm shift in smartphones imho.
 
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