Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Does this wipe the smile off your face?

There already are several great apps that are either Android only or appeared on Android first.

One example is Wind up Knight.
Great fun android game. Currently Android only and they plan on bring it over to iOS but Android first. They have some other games in the pipe line and they stated it will go Android first then over to iOS in that order.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A405 Safari/7534.48.3)

I just wish iPhone had free mp3 downloads (p2p sharing)
 
It's been proven otherwise. Have a nice day.

If you could provide a link to a Google financial statement that lays out their revenue and expenses for Android, I'd appreciate it. IMHO, the only way one could "prove" Android was profitable is if Google says it is.

Google, to my knowledge, doesn't break out Android revenues, expenses, profit and loss, on their income statement or other regulatory filings. So, to a certain extent, analysts and investors have to look at what the company's executives say, and then draw whatever conclusions you can. I should say that in general I take Google's public statements at face value. If Google says they are activating a half million Android devices a day, then I work on the assumption that is a fact.

What evidence do we have to Android's revenues? Well, Larry Page recently said that "mobile revenues" were running at a $2.5 billion "annual run rate" in the last quarter. Well and good. But its important to note that "Mobile Revenue" isn't the same as pure Android revenue.

How do we know this? Because, just a few weeks ago, a Google executive testified that two thirds of mobile revenue comes from iOS devices. And this shouldn't be surprising - since most traffic analysis reports on browsing habits, web-site visitors, and ad-impressions (where Google makes it money) tends to support that assertion.

So, if annual "Mobile Revenue" is $2.5 billion, and iOS devices make up two thirds of that, then only one third is left to be generated by Android, BlackBerry, Symbian, Windows Phone, etc. So the most that annual Android revenue could be is about $800 million.

We don't know what expenses Google has running and developing Android. But its worth noting that Google has agreed to pay $12 billion to acquire MMI, a money-losing maker of smartphones and other devices. Google's reasons for doing so haven't been publicly announced, but it has been widely speculated that a major reason has been to amass a patent "war chest" with which to defend Android and its carrier partners.

The most revenue they've made this year from Android is $800 million. And, in addition to whatever they've spent writing code, paying lawyers, and running data centers in support of Android, they've also spent $12 billion to defend Android's from patent infringement lawsuits. Obviously, their $12 billion MMI investment isn't going up in smoke overnight. But its pretty hard to say that spending $12 billion plus, in order to make $800 million in revenue, meets most investors definition of "making money."
 
If you could provide a link to a Google financial statement that lays out their revenue and expenses for Android, I'd appreciate it. IMHO, the only way one could "prove" Android was profitable is if Google says it is.

Google, to my knowledge, doesn't break out Android revenues, expenses, profit and loss, on their income statement or other regulatory filings. So, to a certain extent, analysts and investors have to look at what the company's executives say, and then draw whatever conclusions you can. I should say that in general I take Google's public statements at face value. If Google says they are activating a half million Android devices a day, then I work on the assumption that is a fact.

What evidence do we have to Android's revenues? Well, Larry Page recently said that "mobile revenues" were running at a $2.5 billion "annual run rate" in the last quarter. Well and good. But its important to note that "Mobile Revenue" isn't the same as pure Android revenue.

How do we know this? Because, just a few weeks ago, a Google executive testified that two thirds of mobile revenue comes from iOS devices. And this shouldn't be surprising - since most traffic analysis reports on browsing habits, web-site visitors, and ad-impressions (where Google makes it money) tends to support that assertion.

So, if annual "Mobile Revenue" is $2.5 billion, and iOS devices make up two thirds of that, then only one third is left to be generated by Android, BlackBerry, Symbian, Windows Phone, etc. So the most that annual Android revenue could be is about $800 million.

We don't know what expenses Google has running and developing Android. But its worth noting that Google has agreed to pay $12 billion to acquire MMI, a money-losing maker of smartphones and other devices. Google's reasons for doing so haven't been publicly announced, but it has been widely speculated that a major reason has been to amass a patent "war chest" with which to defend Android and its carrier partners.

The most revenue they've made this year from Android is $800 million. And, in addition to whatever they've spent writing code, paying lawyers, and running data centers in support of Android, they've also spent $12 billion to defend Android's from patent infringement lawsuits. Obviously, their $12 billion MMI investment isn't going up in smoke overnight. But its pretty hard to say that spending $12 billion plus, in order to make $800 million in revenue, meets most investors definition of "making money."

Here you go: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/how-much-money-does-google-make-from-mobile/15539
 
(...) But its important to note that "Mobile Revenue" isn't the same as pure Android revenue. How do we know this? Because, just a few weeks ago, a Google executive testified that two thirds of mobile revenue comes from iOS devices.

Actually, no. That's one of those bogus "facts" that is often repeated.

If you listen to the entire testimony, not starting at the out-of-context section, it turns out that Creighton did NOT say that 2/3 of Google mobile _income_ comes from iOS devices.

What she said was that 2/3 of their mobile web _searches_ came from being the default iOS browser search engine, which is not the same thing as income.

Then she further lessened the impact of that number by giving out a very important secret: that the majority of mobile searches come from within apps, not from the Google search field in the browser.

Repeat: browser based searches are not the primary source of Google's mobile income, which is another reason why comScore browsing values don't help us here.

But its worth noting that Google has agreed to pay $12 billion to acquire MMI, a money-losing maker of smartphones and other devices.

Yes, it sounds so terrible... on the surface. Now for the details:

1) Apple contributed $2.6 billion towards that consortium purchase of 6,000 Nortel patents... most of which are about carrier based equipment. Google paid $12 billion for Motorola Mobility and their 17,000 patents, mostly device based and better for phone defense purposes.

2) Apple got nothing else for their money. Google will also be getting an entire handset and settop box business, from design to manufacture.

3) MMI is not losing that much money, and should be going back into the black again soon. More importantly, they still have $3 billion in cash reserves... which can easily sustain them for many years even if they didn't make any profits.

Basically, Google shouldn't be losing any money at all on MMI. There's also no reason at all to think that they're not making at least some money off Android itself. Therefore it's a win-win for Google since they also keep their brand in front of a lot of people.
 
Last edited:
K, I'm late on this thread. And I haven't bothered to read the 1000+ posts here. But if Mr Jobs wanted to destroy Android, why isn't Apple using Google?
 
Haven't bothered to read the 1000 posts but...

Android disgusts me. If/when people around me switch to Android because of its "cool features", which turn out to be laggy and crappy anyways, I will be the one with the Apple product in my hand for Steve helped create the most revolutionary product on the market today. I will help carry on Steve's goal to destroy Android.
 
Nothing is original.

All is unique.

You are right.

We are wrong.

Peace is free.

Android is nice as a rival, as to keep Apple moving forward with better releases.
 
From your grave?

Watch out, Google. Steve Job's ghost is going to hunt you guys for rest of your lives until Android is destroyed.

:rolleyes:

Jobs was not Christian, so be careful in your mythology....


Buddhism does teach the existence of ghosts through story and imagery, most specifically through what are called, "hungry ghosts."

Hungry Ghosts are used as a metaphor demonstrating that ghosts do suffer through attempting to fulfill earthly desires. It is an exercise in futility, because ghosts find themselves without physical bodies to be able to act out such lusts.

http://www.angelsghosts.com/ghosts_buddhism
 
Notifications
iCloud (Android has been able to sync between devices for a long, long time)
Apps / AppStore (Google announced in early 2008 that Android would support 3rd party Apps, at the same time Steve Jobs said that the iPhone didnt need 3rd party apps. Apple opened up the Appstore 1 month before the G1 went live, knowing full well that the Android Store was sitting there ready to go, and was already accepting app submissions).

Is that enough for you?

How damn hard is it for people to understand...

APPLE STOLE FROM GOOGLE
GOOGLE STOLE FROM APPLE


If you (you being the people who are blindly denying Apple ever stole anything) still cant get that then go....just leave and never return.

1. Apple had notifications, just improved them
2. MobileMe, and before that .Mac were syncing between devices, long before Android was around
3. The Appstore came out before the Android Marketplace, Google dragged their feet and Apple did it first.
 
1. Apple had notifications, just improved them

Yeah, and everyone thought it absolutely. Until iOS5, the notification system was the one thing people hated most about their iDevices. They improved it using a setup very similar to the Android layout.

2. MobileMe, and before that .Mac were syncing between devices, long before Android was around

So?

3. The Appstore came out before the Android Marketplace, Google dragged their feet and Apple did it first.

Actually, you could say Linux did it first. Ubuntu in particular. Repositories have been around since the early days of the OS. Hell, they've probably been around in Unix since the mid 80's, as far as I know. And the Ubuntu Software Center, in both form and function, is strikingly similar to the App Store setup.

The Ubuntu Software Center, by the way, came out shortly before the App Store made it's first appearance. Does that mean Apple copied Canonical? No. It means about jack squat in the long run, and you shouldn't concern yourself with who did what first. It's an idiotic game, only good for small measures of bragging rights.
 
1. Apple had notifications, just improved them
2. MobileMe, and before that .Mac were syncing between devices, long before Android was around
3. The Appstore came out before the Android Marketplace, Google dragged their feet and Apple did it first.

Why did you drag an old thread up? Do you like making yourself look silly?

1. Apples 'improved' notifications were clearly inspired from Android's notification system.

2. You could sync a Windows CE PDA 10 years ago...You could sync a Psion PDA which are even older. Nothing new there. MobileMe was certainly not a syncing service for the iPhone. Even now, iCloud is pretty crap. Can you sync specific files and open them on your iOS device? No. Can you specify what syncs to which devices? No. Its essentially a non-optional sync and you've got no idea what will be in Sync or when. Android handles this MUCH better, without a doubt. In addition Apple dont have a Cloud, they have 1 maybe 2 datacenters in the US. That is pointless. Google use 10+ datacenters all over the world. The difference here is that with Apple, syncing is slow as hell outside the states. With Google, its still fast as you sync to your local datacenter. Google has a true cloud, Apple have an unreliable datacenter - huge difference.

3. Palm had an app store years ago. Linux has used the same 'repo' style system for YEARS, well before iOS was even a thought in someones head.

4. You need to check thread dates before posting, and when posting against someones post, provide factual evidence to avoid making yourself look like a troll.
 
Why did you drag an old thread up? Do you like making yourself look silly?

1. Apples 'improved' notifications were clearly inspired from Android's notification system.

2. You could sync a Windows CE PDA 10 years ago...You could sync a Psion PDA which are even older. Nothing new there. MobileMe was certainly not a syncing service for the iPhone. Even now, iCloud is pretty crap. Can you sync specific files and open them on your iOS device? No. Can you specify what syncs to which devices? No. Its essentially a non-optional sync and you've got no idea what will be in Sync or when. Android handles this MUCH better, without a doubt. In addition Apple dont have a Cloud, they have 1 maybe 2 datacenters in the US. That is pointless. Google use 10+ datacenters all over the world. The difference here is that with Apple, syncing is slow as hell outside the states. With Google, its still fast as you sync to your local datacenter. Google has a true cloud, Apple have an unreliable datacenter - huge difference.

3. Palm had an app store years ago. Linux has used the same 'repo' style system for YEARS, well before iOS was even a thought in someones head.

4. You need to check thread dates before posting, and when posting against someones post, provide factual evidence to avoid making yourself look like a troll.

Damn he got owned.
 
iOS is going to destroy android either way. I have owned every android tablet and returned all of them within a week. I bought an iPad 2 and I can't put this thing down :)
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.