From + to x and then holding a + again

[predation]

But come on, 14 day return period, its day 9 and loads have returned them after just hours/days, why aren't people keeping and using them for 14 days before making their minds up? Bizarre. As every day goes by the more antique the old design iPhones look and feel.

Used my x for 7 days before returning. I just couldn’t handle the off axis color shifts.

And landscape mode. I tried without it.

The oled screen was supposed to be one f the biggest changes. And to me, it fell short.

I do miss the gestures and Face ID though.

 

[spooky23]

Unbox Therapy has all his smartphones (2017) lined up and the X looks so small. I get it, more screen for your form factor etc etc. But it's still a smaller screen. Give me a X + and then I'll say goodbye the super slow, rubbish screened, massive break look of the 8+. Really look forward to seeing how Instagram and Twitter and emails literally POP on the new OLED. Pop pop pop. For now, I'll have to live with inferior technology that is literally an embarrassment to hold. If only it fit into my pocket so I could hide it. The shame, oh the shame.

 

[ugahairydawgs]

Some people aren’t ready to evolve into today’s tech. They like the look of chin thick bezel phones. Pixel, Note, iPhone 8 and others. I’m a X user. Embracing the Notch and loving the size of this edge to edge screen design. X is the future. Other phone makers will copy and follow.

There's no need to turn up your nose to people who don't want the X. Aesthetics aside, there are some practical advantages to the forehead and chin. For example, I was watching a video on my X the other day in landscape. I have always held the phone in those situations with my thumbs on the forehead and chin. It's just more comfortable to me than holding it by the rim. Tried that with my X and it kept messing with the video that was playing (controls kept coming up, my thumbs would slide some and the gesture to motion out of the video would activate, etc). It was definitely a bit frustrating.

And all of that is before you get on board with the fact that, when compared to the Plus model, the entire interface is shrunk down a bit to get the same amount of content on the narrower screen. Having more room for typing, having bigger overall fonts.....all of that is going to be important to many users.

I don't really get though why some want to be so tribal about this. The X is a great phone. But it's also a 1st gen product, so there are some things that are going to need to be worked out by Apple as this first year plays out once they begin to get feedback from users. Refinements for little issues, like mine with the video playback, will eventually be resolved. But there are many who don't want to be guinea pig for those growing pains. It's doesn't make them averse to the evolution of tech, they are just people who are not interested in tech enough to always need/want to be on the cutting edge of it. Apple recognized this, which is why you saw the 8/8+ introduced this year.

If you like the X, great. If you want to stick with the older models, great. There is nothing wrong with either group.

 

[Jordan921]

People are gonna use what they like. The X might not be for everyone and that’s ok. I’m just over here waiting for mine arrive.

 

[eyeseeyou]

If hardware isn’t designed like the X by placing in the Notch. Then the devices will have large top and bottom bezels.

Do you really consider the top and bottom bezels on the s8 and pixel xl “large”?

 

[CjonesHouston]

Do you really consider the top and bottom bezels on the s8 and pixel xl “large”?

Yes

 

[caesarp]

I personally have no trouble adapting to new tech, and love changing things up. Thought the X was trash. It doesn't do things better than a plus, in fact most stuff is a compromise or worse. New tech should improve the experience and usability, not go the other direction just for the sake of being new tech. Face ID is slower and less useful than TouchID. OLED screens suffer poor viewing angles and burn in like old plasma TVs from over 20 years ago. The X brings back decades-ago-solved problems, changes something that wasnt broken to something worse, and is such an odd aspect ratio that vidoes run with giant software bezels anyway. In other words - the X isn't it. I went from an X to an 8+ and the 8+ is definitely the better phone - and I can turn the brightness all the way up without risking permanent damage! How novel!

What I highlighted above is objectively false. Particularly the "less useful" part. While some tests show a few milliseconds slower for FaceID initial login, FaceID is faster when you are authenticating websites, apps and Apple Pay. Moreover, when you take into account dirty/greasy/wet fingers messing up TouchID, overall there is a higher success rate with Face ID than TouchID. Face ID is, not opinion, FACT, better than Touch ID in many ways.

 

[Diorama]

You might be right when talking about holding

But i believe some might find more comfortable typing on a +

Not to mention viewing movies

Many reasons why they go back

Videos may be bigger on the +, but movies (as in films, cinema films) are bigger on the X, notch notwithstanding

 

[wassup121]

do we really need Another thread about this......

Everyone buys what they feel like, afford, comfortable with, etc.

 

[kre62]

What I highlighted above is objectively false. Particularly the "less useful" part. While some tests show a few milliseconds slower for FaceID initial login, FaceID is faster when you are authenticating websites, apps and Apple Pay. Moreover, when you take into account dirty/greasy/wet fingers messing up TouchID, overall there is a higher success rate with Face ID than TouchID. Face ID is, not opinion, FACT, better than Touch ID in many ways.

Do you have anything to back that up? Ive used both and touchid is 2x faster in most cases. And ive already mentioned common instances where face id is at a 100% failure rate like lying sideways in bed and trying to check the phone.

What you need to realize is there is a difference between different tech and better tech. Faceid is different tech and i get that its new and fun. But its not better tech, e.g. it doesnt solve the problem better its actually worse.

 

[jtrue28]

How about, people should be allowed to buy what they want, without being judged...?

This is America, that is impossible.

 

[haqsha23]

To all the people saying they are going back to a + after using an X, all I can say is, wow! 9 days with the X and I held a + today (which I had been using for 2 years) and seriously, what are people thinking? Is it just me but it looks and feels old fashioned and HUGE!

Dumbfounded anyone would want to 'go back'

They're going back because of money. They figured that they can't afford it or would rather spend that money elsewhere. The percentage of iPhone users that would prefer a + over an X (when money is NOT a factor), is so small it might as well be non-existent. They likely had a + phone from before, didn't feel the other new features are worth the price tag, they go back to the old phone and put $1000 back in their pocket. Simple as that.

 

[EdMan]

For some of us the next X is going to be better than the current X and so on and so on so no harm in waiting a bit. Point is we all will have an X in some form or another if we stick with iPhones so why be worried about it? Using either a 8+ or an X wouldn't change my life in any significant way. Having no phone at all would be something to complain about.

 

[djrm]

do we really need Another thread about this......

Everyone buys what they feel like, afford, comfortable with, etc.

Then you misunderstand the thread, its about the people that have actually owned, used and immersed themselves with the X since launch day. Not the people that have played with one in an Apple Store, looked at pictures, read reviews, returned them after a few days.

 

[lordofthereef]

I fail to see your point? If they did a plus sized version of the X I would jump on it right now! To the X users that are now 10 days in The + looks like a huge slab with its old fashioned chunky bezels, replicate the modern design of the X in a + size and wow!

My point was simple. In your hand it will still feel as big. Some people WANT it to feel that big. They want that width. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Judging people for making a choice that better suites them is... silly. It would be like me judging you for going to a smaller form factor simply because the bigger one didn't exist yet. If you are after a plus size, buying a non plus size this year makes no sense. Unless it does to you, right? We are all different. I little bit of respect for your fellow man goes a long way.
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People act so outraged that someone else would choose a different model (all on iOS no less!)

I've long pontificated that the issue was never windows versus OSX or Android versu iOS. It's about others wanting and happily using something different than them.

I bet you wont find two people that like only the exact same things. For whatever reason we often like to claim others are peculiar for being different, rather than celebrating it.

 

[eyeseeyou]

I do miss the gestures and Face ID though.

I really don’t see why Apple can’t include the gestures for all iPhones.
[doublepost=1510597735][/doublepost]If you view a lot of full screen media and enjoy watching videos like how you would on ANY OTHER SCREEN then you might have some issues with the X.

Is it a deal breaker? No...

Is the x unquestionably a better phone from top to bottom compared to the 8 plus? Absolutely not.

 

[madKIR]

To all the people saying they are going back to a + after using an X, all I can say is, wow! 9 days with the X and I held a + today (which I had been using for 2 years) and seriously, what are people thinking? Is it just me but it looks and feels old fashioned and HUGE!

Dumbfounded anyone would want to 'go back'

The exact same feelings! I had a 6S Plus for 2 years and then tried an 8 Plus for 2 weeks before returning it. The Plus models feel very outdated after using the X. Yeah, the screen is wider on the Plus, but its LCD technology makes it look archaic next to the OLED screen of the X.

 

[eyeseeyou]

Yes

So that notch must drive you crazy then? The x doesn’t even have a solid bezel at the top. The ears almost make the notch look thicker than the s8’s solid bezel.

 

[caesarp]

Do you have anything to back that up? Ive used both and touchid is 2x faster in most cases. And ive already mentioned common instances where face id is at a 100% failure rate like lying sideways in bed and trying to check the phone.

What you need to realize is there is a difference between different tech and better tech. Faceid is different tech and i get that its new and fun. But its not better tech, e.g. it doesnt solve the problem better its actually worse.

Using a tech in a way it is not supposed to be used, does not make the tech worse than Touch ID. I could complain that Touch ID doesn't work with wet fingers, or it doesn't work if I don't position my enrolled finger correctly on the little circle. Face ID not working when the camera can't get a good view of you, is not a valid complaint. Touch ID doesn't work if I can't reach my phone to touch it, or if I hold my finger sideways on the circle.

FaceID is better, because it is more seamless. It does NOT take 2x longer to get to the home screen using Face vs. Touch. This has been videoed and posted here. It is a very negligible difference longer. If it is taking you 2 x longer, you are not swiping right away, but are instead waiting for the lock animation to unlock. I pick up my phone and swipe in one motion - BANG - I'm in. To be any faster is almost impossible and it isn't slow (maybe a tad slower than touch ID), so the correct term is super fast (but maybe not quite as fast as touch ID). Then again, failure rate is less with Face ID, since, unlike Touch, face works if you are wet, dirty, etc.

Face ID solves the problem of wet/greasy/dirty/oily fingers. Face ID is more secure and is way faster when using in apps and websites. Not being able to use it lying sideways in bed is a feature, not a bug. The camera can't see you from every conceivable angle, just like holding your finger on the little circle not quite right and touch ID won't work.

In essence, Touch ID was a PHYSICAL process, that required you to align a finger/thumb physically on a specific touch point. Face ID is a digital electronic process, where the physical aspects of mapping to a math representation of your face are done without the user even really noticing. That's why it is more seamless. It is done in 3D space, with a much wider vantage point for use, since although your face has to be viewable, there is way more play in that angle of viewability, than in physically positioning your finger on tiny circle.

 

[CjonesHouston]

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So that notch must drive you crazy then? The x doesn’t even have a solid bezel at the top. The ears almost make the notch look thicker than the s8’s solid bezel.

The X OLED panel foes edge to edge. Not bezel to bezel. People that own the X. Won’t notice the Notch after a few minutes of handling the OLED Beast. When the device has chins on the bottom and top. It’s a waste of space in my opinion. It took courage to let go of the home button and chins. Some people won’t like it but that is why they sale a iPhone 8. For the few that can’t let go yet.

 

[kre62]

Using a tech in a way it is not supposed to be used, does not make the tech worse than Touch ID. I could complain that Touch ID doesn't work with wet fingers, or it doesn't work if I don't position my enrolled finger correctly on the little circle. Face ID not working when the camera can't get a good view of you, is not a valid complaint. Touch ID doesn't work if I can't reach my phone to touch it, or if I hold my finger sideways on the circle.

FaceID is better, because it is more seamless. It does NOT take 2x longer to get to the home screen using Face vs. Touch. This has been videoed and posted here. It is a very negligible difference longer. If it is taking you 2 x longer, you are not swiping right away, but are instead waiting for the lock animation to unlock. I pick up my phone and swipe in one motion - BANG - I'm in. To be any faster is almost impossible and it isn't slow (maybe a tad slower than touch ID), so the correct term is super fast (but maybe not quite as fast as touch ID). Then again, failure rate is less with Face ID, since, unlike Touch, face works if you are wet, dirty, etc.

Face ID solves the problem of wet/greasy/dirty/oily fingers. Face ID is more secure and is way faster when using in apps and websites. Not being able to use it lying sideways in bed is a feature, not a bug. The camera can't see you from every conceivable angle, just like holding your finger on the little circle not quite right and touch ID won't work.

In essence, Touch ID was a PHYSICAL process, that required you to align a finger/thumb physically on a specific touch point. Face ID is a digital electronic process, where the physical aspects of mapping to a math representation of your face are done without the user even really noticing. That's why it is more seamless. It is done in 3D space, with a much wider vantage point for use, since although your face has to be viewable, there is way more play in that angle of viewability, than in physically positioning your finger on tiny circle.

Haha man on man, we got ourselves an Apple zombie.

Lots of FaceID fanboys try to make that argument that touchID can fail with wet or dirty fingers and try to say they are even steven.

I say that the rate at which a person has dirty or wet fingers is far lower then the rate that they might want to, say, open the phone while lying in bed, open the phone while its lying on a desk, open the phone while its on a magnetic car vent holder, etc. "Feature not a bug"? Seriously? Its worse bro. For sure for sure.
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The X OLED panel foes edge to edge. Not bezel to bezel. People that own the X. Won’t notice the Notch after a few minutes of handling the OLED Beast. When the device has chins on the bottom and top. It’s a waste of space in my opinion. It took courage to let go of the home button and chins. Some people won’t like it but that is why they sale a iPhone 8. For the few that can’t let go yet.

Its not about letting go, its about which one is objectively better. TouchID is still King for now. Better luck next year. Thanks for paying a higher price for worse tech, your contribution to Apple RandD is appreciated by all of us who will get the tech next year in the form it should have been from day 1.

 

[eyeseeyou]

The X OLED panel foes edge to edge. Not bezel to bezel. People that own the X. Won’t notice the Notch after a few minutes of handling the OLED Beast. When the device has chins on the bottom and top. It’s a waste of space in my opinion. It took courage to let go of the home button and chins. Some people won’t like it but that is why they sale a iPhone 8. For the few that can’t let go yet.

Not sure courage is the right word to describe adapting to an inconsistent user experience or experience that needs to be explained but regarding the bezel that definitely exists on the iPhone X it’s thicker where the notch is.

That definitely isn’t something people were complaining about on previous iPhones do you agree?
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If you’re the type to watch a lot of video in horizontal full screen mode then the notch and possibly the rounded corners will bother you.

Or this design probably bothers you that there’s no notch or curved corners that cut off or cover content.

Not as much of an issue on the 8 plus compared to the xx

 

[Hanson Eigilson]

i'm certainly no fan of beezels, and glad IOS jumped from 66 to 82% screen to body ratio, but at what tasks are you guy's actually enjoying the extra chin and forehead real estate, it seems like such an odd aspect ratio for reading, images or video???

 

[CjonesHouston]

Not sure courage is the right word to describe adapting to an inconsistent user experience or experience that needs to be explained but regarding the bezel that definitely exists on the iPhone X it’s thicker where the notch is.

That definitely isn’t something people were complaining about on previous iPhones do you agree?

I’ve been a iPhone user for a long time now. I own and have purchased Android phones as well. I’ve been wanting a phone with a smaller bezel ever since I saw the Sharp Aquos a couple of years ago. When I saw the rumors of the X. With the Notch. I and others said. I’ll give it a try. If I don’t like then I’ll return. You get at least a 14 day return.
Some people wouldn’t dare buy the iPhone X. No give me my bezels they screamed. It took courage to try something new. It took courage for Apple to bring us the X. They knew it would be haters. I’m glad they made the decision to redesign and make the X. All screen edge to edge. Now I see if you want a bigger size iPhone. The X Plus should come out next year. Holding on to the chin and thick bezel is going to leave you high and dry. The X is the future. Accept it.
Thanks for the dialogue.

 

[eyeseeyou]

The iPhone X, extra wide(tall)tv. Technologically more advanced and more expensive than your standard wide screen tv although in many use cases not necessarily a better tv.

Kind seems like a waste to reserve that entire black bar on the bottom just to place a logo. Couldn’t they just put it in the bezel like everyone else? We’re people complaining about that?