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YS2003 said:
Santa Rosa is the code name for the platform while it is in development, when it is released Intel will come up with a clever marketing name - maybe Centrino 2?
What most people are talking about when they say chipset refers to the combination of the north bridge and south bridge - which usually has a much less clever name, I believe the current one is 945M. The north and south bridges provide the interface to processor for all other components in the system (PCI-X devices, USB, SATA, etc).
The wireless in Centrino does not refer to a specific chip, but a wireless chip that meets certain specifications.
ccroo said:
Half true. The current i94x chipsets used with Merom are only capable of 32bit memory addressing. So while the CPU may have the ability to use 40bit memory addresses and access resources mapped beyond the 32bit (4GB) limit, the chipset itself can't support it. So with current chipsets, we still can't use more than about 3GB of RAM in our MBP or Macbook systems if this next upgrade is simply a CPU upgrade.
All the 64bit instructions are still there and usable within the CPU with the current chipsets and no other system devices or services provided by the chipset are any different between what we have now and what we will get with the next chipset revision in terms of "bits". It's really just all about the supported amount of RAM.
For users like myself and a few others here, this is an issue... I'm desperately in need of a notebook that will let me install *AT LEAST* 4GB of RAM. As of right now it simply does not exist from any manufacturer. When the Santa Rosa platform becomes official, it will have support for 8GB of installed RAM. So if the next revision of MBP doesn't support me installing and using 4GB or more, I won't buy. But as we get closer to the release of Santa Rosa, there's a good bet that the notebooks will. Apple isn't on Intel's official Santa Rosa list, which could mean several things. But I'm hopeful that Apple will forego the marketing of the Santa Rosa's official name (Centrino Duo II or whatever) and may release their systems early with an updated chipset anf full 64bit support and proper memory support. ...Please let it be so. This long delay with the MBP getting Merom could be a good sign that this is happening.
Another sale bites the dust.
Well, it's happening. I have a case example.
My father needs a new laptop for his work. He used Mac OS wayy back in the day (Pre-G3) and likes the idea of 'hey, no viruses. hey, it just works.'
He also needs to run Windows-only software at his office. So, he was going to switch to purchase a Mac to enjoy when not in the office, Windows when he was.
D-Day was today. Sony has C2D, Apple doesn't.
So he is instead buying a Vaio. What can I say? He really only needs about 1Ghz, but he wants 'blazing fast' and the 2 in Core 2 Duo.
One less sale. Another potential switcher says 'na, I want the latest hardware.'
And the worst part? I love macs, but I have to say "You're right, they're behind. And we dont' know when they will come out."
Thanks, Apple, for making me look like a schmuck, because I fed him lines of 'just wait, they're coming out soon.'
Well, it's happening. I have a case example.
My father needs a new laptop for his work. He used Mac OS wayy back in the day (Pre-G3) and likes the idea of 'hey, no viruses. hey, it just works.'
He also needs to run Windows-only software at his office. So, he was going to switch to purchase a Mac to enjoy when not in the office, Windows when he was.
D-Day was today. Sony has C2D, Apple doesn't.
So he is instead buying a Vaio. What can I say? He really only needs about 1Ghz, but he wants 'blazing fast' and the 2 in Core 2 Duo.
One less sale. Another potential switcher says 'na, I want the latest hardware.'
And the worst part? I love macs, but I have to say "You're right, they're behind. And we dont' know when they will come out."
Thanks, Apple, for making me look like a schmuck, because I fed him lines of 'just wait, they're coming out soon.'
On one of the speeches on intel's site i heard that crestline will possibly be seen in notebooks before santa rosa is released. what would be the signifigance of crestline?AppliedVisual said:
asparagus said:
I dont blame him one bit, my sister just offered to get me a Sony Vaio SZ series featuring a 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo processor, 2GB RAM, Nvidia Geforce Go 7400, express card slot, 120GB HDD, memory reader..the whole shebang for just 2009 and it includes free shipping....amazing deal but i have yet to say yes. I was and still am very tempted to get and maybe install osx x86 on it. My family are looking at me like im crazy for not snapping it up but hey......
macman2790 said:
Crestline would be the new chip set (not the updated wifi specs nor the graphics, if i recall correctly). This could mean that we could see full 64bit addressing with merom sooner than santa rosa is available as a complete platform. At least, that's what I think it could mean.
cheers.
Still no news...
I agree, Apple has definitely not handled this situation as well as they could have from a marketing / PR perspective at the very least...
This is just my pure speculation to throw in to the mix, but based on the fact that Amazon.com is running a rebate through 10/24/2006 (see MacRumors.com home page), I doubt we'll see anything before then...
If Apple doesn't release it before Thanksgiving (11/15 timeframe actually), then I hate to say it, but I think you better start thinking about San Fransisco and Santa Rosa.
Unless you are the type that buys a new laptop every year or two at the outset, I don't think I personally would invest in a laptop that does not support 64-bit. The 64-bit world is the minority at the moment, but that will change very rapidly in the next year and a half.
I agree, Apple has definitely not handled this situation as well as they could have from a marketing / PR perspective at the very least...
This is just my pure speculation to throw in to the mix, but based on the fact that Amazon.com is running a rebate through 10/24/2006 (see MacRumors.com home page), I doubt we'll see anything before then...
If Apple doesn't release it before Thanksgiving (11/15 timeframe actually), then I hate to say it, but I think you better start thinking about San Fransisco and Santa Rosa.
Unless you are the type that buys a new laptop every year or two at the outset, I don't think I personally would invest in a laptop that does not support 64-bit. The 64-bit world is the minority at the moment, but that will change very rapidly in the next year and a half.
macman2790 said:
Crestline is the upcoming Intel mobile chipset that supports front side bus speeds up to 800MHz (currently we're limite to 667MHz) and it also has support for up to 8GB of addressable RAM in addition other memory addressed components in the system. So that means power users will finally be able to put 2x2GB in their MBP and actually USE ALL OF IT!
I am so hoping that this delay for the updated MBP is to wait until they could package the C2D with Crestline. If that's the case and they release sometime in the next several weeks, I think we're going to see a lot of people regretting they gave in and bought in the last week or so. OTOH, if you have to buy, you have no choice. I bought a refurb MBP because I couldn't continue without a notebook. Now if Crestline comes out with C2D, then I will upgrade so I can use more RAM. If there is no update to the chipset and we just get a C2D swapped in, then I will wait for the next update which will bring more RAM.
AVonGauss said:
Santa Rosa does include Crestline as the designated chipset for the platform spec. But systems do not have to be a "Santa Rosa" system to use Crestline. When "Santa Rosa" is officially on the market, these notebooks will be marketed under a true Intel marketing name and not "Santa Rosa". A lot of people are expecting "Centrino Duo II" or something to that effect. If the Crestline chipset is close to shipping or even just recently finished, this could be a real good reason for the MBP delay and a very smart move on Apple's part.
But being the glass is half-empty kind of guy that I am, I'm not going to hold my breath.
chris07 said:I don't know about you guys...but I think Apple needs to begin "thinking different," and get away from the normal Tuesday updates. Those were so last year...how about Thursday updates, starting tomorrow?
Please don't start this. Please.
would this give the macbook pro an 800mhz fsb and the possibility for up to 8gb of ram with crestline?dkoralek said:
edit: nevemind question already answered by applied visual thanks.
question. would 4 slots of ram be likely so you can max out with 4x2gb sticks.AppliedVisual said:
From the Intel page on CD2:
"Intel® 64
An enabling technology that can take advantage of 64-bit applications and the Microsoft Vista* OS as they become available"
http://www.intel.com/products/centrino/duo/description.htm
That doesn't sound like they're saying it's a 64-bit chip. It sounds like a chip that can manage 64 bit apps without running at 64 bits.
What about the Power Mac G5? Are those "real" 64 bit chips?
"Intel® 64
An enabling technology that can take advantage of 64-bit applications and the Microsoft Vista* OS as they become available"
http://www.intel.com/products/centrino/duo/description.htm
That doesn't sound like they're saying it's a 64-bit chip. It sounds like a chip that can manage 64 bit apps without running at 64 bits.
What about the Power Mac G5? Are those "real" 64 bit chips?
macman2790 said:
The chipset will support it, but beyond that it's hard to say. I wouldn't expect 4 RAM slots in anything less than a 17" though.
generik said:
If you're a mobile pro on the move, tugging around a full workstation is ludicrous. The extra RAM would be a nice option for those who need it.
Does any one know the exact release date of the Radeon Mobility x1600 chipset? I found a date of 12/5/2005 in a news post. If so the MBP came out only shortly after that chipset was released. I guess my point is that x1700 and x1800 have come out after the MBP was first introduced, but when exactly? Maybe all of this delay is over the x1800.
We are all caught up on the C2D, but maybe we have better things to look forward to in the revised MBP. Maybe we will see this new GPU, maybe a higher density screen in each the 15(1680x1050) and 17(1920x1200). I know these are pipe dreams, maybe this will not come till the santa rosa revision of the MBP. But the farther we move from the start of october, the better this update begins to look in my mind. The truth may prove me wrong, but until then pipe dreams for all.
We are all caught up on the C2D, but maybe we have better things to look forward to in the revised MBP. Maybe we will see this new GPU, maybe a higher density screen in each the 15(1680x1050) and 17(1920x1200). I know these are pipe dreams, maybe this will not come till the santa rosa revision of the MBP. But the farther we move from the start of october, the better this update begins to look in my mind. The truth may prove me wrong, but until then pipe dreams for all.
ThunderLounge said:If you're a mobile pro on the move, tugging around a full workstation is ludicrous. The extra RAM would be a nice option for those who need it.
A dual core system... with one core probably clogged down running OSX, and the other app crunching your app, will probably be too slow to even run through 8GB of ram