Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?

tteerts said:
Are we pretty hopeful that they will actually make their appearance next month? They are overkill for me, but I might like to see them just to drive down the price of the current Mac Pro a bit (which I would then pounce on) - but I would also rather not get into the waiting game that has spanned several months and threads for the MBPs...
Click to expand...
I was wondering the same thing? Is this a for sure thing? Because the way that Apple likes to spread out the introduction of their updates so as to get as much press as they can on each one individually...it makes me wonder if they would "strategically" introduce a MBP update before then. This way each would get its own 15 minutes of fame. Plausible?
 
anim8or said:
I am sorry for asking this again but the MBP is a CTO so am i right in saying unless he cancels his order before its shipped he is stuck with it, regardless if he doesnt open it?

He doesnt want to get his shiny new MBP and the the next day its updated?

Surely apple would contact him about a reimbursment or upgrade before shipping if it were this close?

Also having read all these threads i informed him that a few people say that their orders have been cancelled recently due to lack of stock or potential upgrades. I cant say whether these rumors are accurate or if orders have or havent been cancelled by apple?
Click to expand...

This is just my opinion, I don't have a lot of experience with ordering things from Apple, but if he is going to be upset if the product line gets updated before the holiday then I would hold off on ordering.

In general if a company accepts an order for an item, they are expected to deliver the item ordered - not a substitution. For them to switch out the item, even if it is an upgrade, would be an event and in my opinion, very unlikely.
 
Yes 8-Core Mac Pros Will Be Affordable • The Missing Blu-ray HD-DVD Offerings Mystery

Mr.Gadget said:
Wow, are you expecting those actual prices for the upgrades? I guess that is 8 processors in one box...
Click to expand...
Yes 2.33GHz Clovertowns cost the same as 3GHz Woodies and each 2.66GHz Clovertown is only another $300 more. So based on their +$800 price for the 3GHz Woodies I surmize those will/should be the prices. In fact the 2.66GHz may only be +$1100 according to what they cost Apple more.
Mr.Gadget said:
Any thoughts as to whether they will offer HD-DVD or Blue-Ray on those upcoming Pros? Does Apple support one camp over the other right now?
Click to expand...
Apple supports both groups but no telling why they haven't already added optional Blu-ray or HD-DVD Drives. Another "why not?" mystery.
 
anim8or said:
I am sorry for asking this again but the MBP is a CTO so am i right in saying unless he cancels his order before its shipped he is stuck with it, regardless if he doesnt open it?
Click to expand...
If he customized his order, it's his unless he cancels *before* it goes to production. Unless things have changed, once the status page on your Apple order says "in production," it's too late to cancel.
 
10 day upgrade policy

I believe Apple offers a 10 day update window. If a product is purchased and then the line is updated within 10 days of purchase, they can upgrade if they contact Apple.
I'd look for the Support link on Apple's site and the information is there under "Return policy".
 
So, I am pissed. I've been holding out to get a mb before I left for europe next wednesday for a month.... And here I am, with one possible release day left.... Gah! Bloody Hell!:mad: :mad: :mad:

(knowing apple, they probably wouldnt even be in stores yet on the day they are released...)

Think its worth holding out for tuesday and get one, c2d or not?
 
ct-scan said:
No, it doesn't, but it does say 400GB. To get a 400GB drive you will need to stripe the disks together to form a single logical drive...this is known as RAID 0, but as I said before, most people do NOT consider it to be RAID.
(RAID = Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) And since there is absolutely no redundency in striped drives, it really shouldn't be called RAID.

Semantics asside...if one drive dies, you lose the entire 400GB logical drive, with no chance to rebuild.
Click to expand...

Actually it is Redundant Arrary of Independent Disks. Your acronym is old school (1980's)... ;)
 
Phishin' it said:
So what is deal if I buy a MBP now and they come out with the update on tuseday or something? What are the rules for this and cut off dates. This info would help me alot. Thanks.
Click to expand...

Well, Apple has a 14-day return window with a 10% restocking fee. And that's only for stock systems. If you order anything that's CTO/BTO or customized in any way (larger HD, more RAM, etc..) then you can only return it within 14 days if it is UNOPENED! Other than that, you can usually return any system within 30 days if it's defective and they will gladly replace it with the same thing. But beware, a lot of times Apple tech support people and store "genius" types want to try to fix it first. If the thing is DOA or breaks in the first month, I usually demand a new unit.

Right now, I would say that if you don't want to wait or if you just need one relatively soon then go ahead. But only buy a refurbished MBP - don't spend the full price for a new one. It's a much more sensible purchase that way and a purchase that makes total sense, even if they release C2D units next tuesday because you're still spending a lot less money for something that isn't more than 5% less powerful. Most of us who are eagerly waiting do want C2D, but we're also looking forward to other upgraded features too like better GPU and hopefully a new chipset supporting more RAM. Perhaps FW800 and DL DVD writing on the 15" model...

But if Apple releases a new MBP in the next two weeks and the only thing that has changed is the CPU, I would probably advise people to save their money and wait for the next update and buy a current MBP from the refurbished store. Unless this next MBP update allows me to install 4GB of RAM and use it all, I'm not upgrading...
 
rdrr said:
Actually it is Redundant Arrary of Independent Disks. Your acronym is old school (1980's)... ;)
Click to expand...

This is true, and I am aware of my old school reference ;)

I think the price on drives has gone down quite a bit since the SCSI days of the 90s...so we're on our way back to Inexpensive.
 
Mr.Gadget said:
Wow, are you expecting those actual prices for the upgrades? I guess that is 8 processors in one box...
Any thoughts as to whether they will offer HD-DVD or Blue-Ray on those upcoming Pros? Does Apple support one camp over the other right now?
Click to expand...

Apple has declared support for Blu-Ray. But like many computer vendors, they have yet to actually offer any such products and I think most computer vendors are playing a wait-and-see game. Sony and the rest of the Blu-Ray camp continues to flubb up at every turn, continuously missing release dates and releasing crap products when a date is met. The current Samsung player is a turd and should not be purchased by anyone. The Panasonic player supposedly shipped to distributors over a month ago, but has since gone MIA and there's rumors of problems with its CD compatibility and audio glitches. The Sony BDP-S1 has been delayed until late november now with no explaination. Some people are expecting a reworking to add in HDMI 1.3 support, but Sony still insists that the BDP-S1 won't have it and couldn't use the extra color abilities anyway with the image processing hardware that's in it. ...Kinda sad when you think of it... the PS3, a game consoel, is going to be the first viable Blu-Ray player on the market.

FWIW, I have no more love for the HD-DVD side of things. Their players are a bit cheaper, but they are charging an average of $8 more per movie title (35 to 50 movies in your library and the player cost between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is irrelevent). The disc media comes up short for HD content only having 30GB on a dual-layer disc, which means long features like "Titanic" will meet with the same restrictions they had on DVD... Not enough space for a proper transfer. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray video standards mandate 35Mbps and 37.8Mbps (respectively) for video playback and they support all the same codecs (MPEG2/4, VC1). So you can bet that as this "war" continues, studios will begin to offer more and more on both disc formats. After all, as far as loyalties go in Hollywood, the concept of selling your product to make money always goes farther. And you can bet that most studios will find it a no-brainer to author a nice VC1 transfer at 35Mbps + audio and sell it on both HDDVD and BD media.

From an authoring point of view (and I already have clients asking me about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD), once the proper software presents itself, I think those of us producing for clients will have to own a universal disc recorder or both a Blu-Ray and HD-DVD drive. For now, HD-DVD is the easier authoring choice as their HD menu system is all XML based and very simple and powerful.

rdrr said:
Actually it is Redundant Arrary of Independent Disks. Your acronym is old school (1980's)... ;)
Click to expand...

I know I'm picking nits, but it's actually Redundant Arrary of Independent Devices. Because it's perfectly logical and practical to have storage devices in a RAID configuration that are not disk based. :p

timmillwood said:
Whats the chance of the Macbook Pros coming tomorrow at the same time as these red iPods?
Click to expand...

Oh lordy... I just had a terrible thought. What if we also see an updated red and white Macbook? Could this have anything to do with the Apple + Foxconn rumor. :eek:

I hope not...
 
well...i think its looking more and more like c2d updates will come at the London Expo...
 
Mr.Gadget said:
One thing that is a very good bet (unlike all the other rumors in this thread :) ) is some decent redesign/update news at MWSF. That is the perfect venue to go Dual-Quad or Quad-Dual or whatever... (sounds like a new burger at In-n-Out)
Plus any other major changes.
Click to expand...

I am wondering if Apple will want to get the "new" MB's, MBP's, and the Mac Pro's" announced and into the retail pipeline ahead of MWSF so that iTV & iPhone will be the shinning stars of the show...

When is this London Expo that has been mentioned, and has it been a venue for product announcements?
 
AVonGauss said:
This is just my opinion, I don't have a lot of experience with ordering things from Apple, but if he is going to be upset if the product line gets updated before the holiday then I would hold off on ordering.

In general if a company accepts an order for an item, they are expected to deliver the item ordered - not a substitution. For them to switch out the item, even if it is an upgrade, would be an event and in my opinion, very unlikely.
Click to expand...

Actually, if the price is the same, they would ship the new one if available. I've been on that end. They first bumped the ship date back about a week, then sent new shipping information.

Even if it's CTO, you'll get the same specs that you upgraded.

For example, if the model ordered came with a 100GB drive as standard, and then you updated to the 120GB, but the new one had the 120GB standard with an upgrade to 160GB for the same as what you paid, you would get the 160GB since you paid for the next level up.

If there were a price difference, they would contact you for the option. At least, that's what someone said happened to them at one point in time.
 
jaigo said:
Don't expect an update to the macbookpro at all this year. Apple will fall behind and come out with an update next year some time.
Click to expand...

ccroo said:
Why do you say that?
Click to expand...



That''s all this flip ever posts. :rolleyes:

Every post they've had has been the same useless dribble.
 
AppliedVisual said:
Apple has declared support for Blu-Ray. But like many computer vendors, they have yet to actually offer any such products and I think most computer vendors are playing a wait-and-see game. Sony and the rest of the Blu-Ray camp continues to flubb up at every turn, continuously missing release dates and releasing crap products when a date is met. The current Samsung player is a turd and should not be purchased by anyone. The Panasonic player supposedly shipped to distributors over a month ago, but has since gone MIA and there's rumors of problems with its CD compatibility and audio glitches. The Sony BDP-S1 has been delayed until late november now with no explaination. Some people are expecting a reworking to add in HDMI 1.3 support, but Sony still insists that the BDP-S1 won't have it and couldn't use the extra color abilities anyway with the image processing hardware that's in it. ...Kinda sad when you think of it... the PS3, a game consoel, is going to be the first viable Blu-Ray player on the market.


From an authoring point of view (and I already have clients asking me about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD), once the proper software presents itself, I think those of us producing for clients will have to own a universal disc recorder or both a Blu-Ray and HD-DVD drive. For now, HD-DVD is the easier authoring choice as their HD menu system is all XML based and very simple and powerful.
Click to expand...

Sony already has a BR laptop which was announced on the day the MacBook was announced by Apple last summer (albeit CD not C2D), and there are already HD-DVD burner laptops; Apple is behind the times. (well, on the consumer/prosumer level at least, rumor has it the RED camcorder will have 4k workflow on and updated FCS, whenever it comes out).

You can't get much more power in a 1in thick laptop as far as GPU, combine a hot CPU add in a GPU, only so many watts you can dissipate in that thin an case without it becoming a stove to cook your meals on, lol. Best bet for an upgrade would be to the Geforce Go 7700, cause it's on the 80nm process, so give slight improvement over the 7600. The x1800 as well as the GG7900 & 'power saving' GG7900 GS still will suck a laptop dry of battery power in just over an hour, you can't even use a GG7900GTX 512MB off of battery power in performance mode (only really useful mode as powersaving modes cripple the GPU too much for demanding uses), at least on the PC laptops.

To get desktop like performance, you'd either need to run off of AC power, and keep the laptop as a 'notebook' on a desk where the excessive heat can be tolerated. Or expect very limited battery life for a high performace, power consuming GPU. Or wait until 45nm CPU's & smaller than 80nm GPU's become a reality later next year. Apple's trendy super thin laptops, come with a price, lesser performing CPU & GPU to manage heat generation...no free lunch.
 
MBP Delay Related to Apple Fixing its QC Issues Once and For All?

Honestly, after seeing this YouTube video of the MacBook's random shutdowns (not to mention the episodes of Diggnation in which host Kevin Rose's MB shut down), I can understand why Apple isn't in a hurry to release any new notebooks. Between the overheating and random shutdowns, they've probably been all over their suppliers to fix the QC issues.

Also, although about 2 months old, this interesting Arstechnica article may highlight some of the issues affecting Apple's product release plans.

ArsTechnica said:
If Apple had taken its time on the pacing of these transitions and spent some more time on quality control before rolling out MacBooks to the masses, the year of Intel would be a big hit not just for Apple, but for all of their customers, too.
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back