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shadowx said:
Yeah, but that's 2 SLOW 4200 rpm drives... I would hope they would be set up as RAID 0 to improve performance. I don't even want to think about battery life with those...😱
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Where does it say it's 2 drives? It says one 400GB drive.
 
Patcarla said:
Long time lurker, first time poster..
I'm in the same boat as many of you, waiting anxioulsy for the release of the C2D MBPs..I have untill mid november to buy a new Mac (deadline to spend some money from my grant). There could be many reasons for Apple for not releasing the new MBPs yet and one of them could be shortage of some components. I indeed just read the following info: Imminent battery shortage. Don't know if that's related but I thought I passed the info.
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Funny, for some reason I never really thought of the potential impact the battery recall would have on battery supply... duh! I guess it's a good thing Apple uses Lithium-Polymer vs the more common Lithium-Ion (the type being recalled)... of course, manufacturing capacity could still be an issue I guess.
 
Play Ultimate said:
To Generik et. al.

Obviously you've paid too much attention to the PC world and not enough to Apple's marketing/PR machine.

Apple, since the reorganization of the product lines with the initial release of the iMac, have maintained basically the exact same pricing structure. Apple does not, in general, lower their prices. They will change features and the stuff inside but not pricing. An starting level iBook/MacBook for the past 3+ years has been around $1000. The starting level 15" PowerBook/MacBook Pro about $2000. That is the way it is. Apple will eventually come out with updated MacBook Pro and MacBook and the prices for the new ones will be about the same as I stated.

Now, all computers are nothing more than a tool to help you do something. If the current offerings by Apple or others are not worth the money for you to make the purchase, then don't. Buy something else.

Apple knows how to make money and run their business far better than you do, (and far better than many other companies.)
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There's certainly nothing wrong with that business model provided the time between upgrades is acceptable. With Intel the speed of progress is going to be far faster than what Apple have been used to with IBM processors, in terms of chipsets as well as CPUs.

Personally there would be no way on earth I would order a MacBook Pro right now. It's overdue an update and any purchase would be superseded by a new (and better) model in a matter of weeks. I don't think it's unreasonable to complain a little about the current MBP specs when they are outdated yet still being sold at a premium price.
 
maverick808 said:
Where does it say it's 2 drives? It says one 400GB drive.
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400GB 2.5'' drives do not exist yet...😉
 
shadowx said:
400GB 2.5'' drives do not exist yet...😉
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Actually, I knew that, I thought it was a mistake in the advert. Still, 200GB drives are pretty dense, so the slower speed shouldn't have too much impact, they are probably faster overall than 5200 RPM 100GB disks.
 
generik said:
Because tons of people here are saying that C2D does not support 64 bit code? 😕

The ubuntu would be the perfect test to prove or disprove this.
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C2D fully supports the EM64T 64bit instructions/code. The only thing that's lacking with current mobile systems is the i94x chipsets still restrict the systems to 32bit memory addressing, which means you can't use 4GB of RAM in the system. Dell and several PC manufacturers are shipping 4GB in their systems, but it's an outright scam -- you can't use it! Only about 3.2GB is addressable.

Anyway, C2D runs 64bit code/instructions just fine. I'm not sure where some of these rumors even come from. BTW I have the latest Vista RC running on my MBP as well as SUSE Linux 64.
 
What really is going on with MBP delay:

Just for you guys' entertainment.. 🙂

What really is going on with MBP delay:

1. One of the people posting in this thread is really Steve Jobs and he is mocking us. Hi Steve! 🙂
2. MBP c2d will debut somewhere in the island of Lost and it will raise more questions.
3. It's delayed because it doesnt want to share the spotlight with Terrell Owens.
4. The Matrix isn't done porting itself into Universal Binary.
5. The distributor guy is wrapping up his World of Warcraft session-gonna be a while.
6. Protesting Michael Bay's version of the Transformers.
7. Chuck Norris is negotiating to rename the Command-Key to Chuck-says-Key

Feel free to add.. Have a nice day everyone!
 
Manic Mouse said:
Personally there would be no way on earth I would order a MacBook Pro right now. It's overdue an update and any purchase would be superseded by a new (and better) model in a matter of weeks. I don't think it's unreasonable to complain a little about the current MBP specs when they are outdated yet still being sold at a premium price.
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I totally agree. As a matter of fact, my plan is to wait until 10.5 and iLife '07 are released so I can save $200 vs. buying a computer now. My point was that Apple does not lower their price points due to changes in technology.

My suspicion, if they update their computers this year, is that they will wait until after the quarterly results are announced on Oct 18.

Further, I suspect an additional iPod update or annoucement sometime in November to counteract the Zune release.

At least that would be my plan if those options existed.
 
generik said:
Think different!

They can sell empty cardboard boxes as a raincheck 🙄
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Don't roll your eyes... I can name several software companies that have done that very thing, often for software costing $1500 or more. In fact I bet this tactic would sell a boatload of boxes/rainchecks.
 
Play Ultimate said:
I totally agree. As a matter of fact, my plan is to wait until 10.5 and iLife '07 are released so I can save $200 vs. buying a computer now. My point was that Apple does not lower their price points due to changes in technology.
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That's what I'm doing. I've never owned a Mac, but I'm looking to make the switch. Once the new MBP's, Leopard, iLife 07 and iWork 07 are out I'm going to be all over them like a rash. 😀

And since I'm using a chunky DELL laptop at the moment it's going to be one heck of a change (in a good way)!
 
With only a average of 10% performance gain for the c2d vs. cd, and since Leopard isn't going to come out for another 6 months, I would rather wait for them to come up with a better design to reduce any potential heat issues. Although it will become a sales issue if you don't reduce the current MBP prices.
 
rdrr said:
With only a average of 10% performance gain for the c2d vs. cd...
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How much faster would a CD2 laptop run over the CD if OS X was 64-bit already? Is there much of a speed boost?
 
Reach said:
It's the MBP that needs an update imo, the Macbook is fine, I have never argued against that...
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Right, I recently posted a comparison between 15" MBP and Dell Latitude 820. See https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2917812#post2917812

IMO, the the plusus and minusus that can be assigned to each machine leave the balance beam very much parallel to the balance base, but the Dell costs about $1000 less. I find that insulting to the consumer.
 
AppliedVisual said:
C2D fully supports the EM64T 64bit instructions/code. The only thing that's lacking with current mobile systems is the i94x chipsets still restrict the systems to 32bit memory addressing, which means you can't use 4GB of RAM in the system. Dell and several PC manufacturers are shipping 4GB in their systems, but it's an outright scam -- you can't use it! Only about 3.2GB is addressable.

Anyway, C2D runs 64bit code/instructions just fine. I'm not sure where some of these rumors even come from.
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Thank you for this nice compact explanation re CD2 and 64-bit! I think I understand now.

And BTW, this came up as an issue when someone posted a link to a Business Week article that said flat out that Merom can't support 64-bit applications because it's attached to an older chipset.

Thanks again!
 
AppliedVisual said:
C2D fully supports the EM64T 64bit instructions/code. The only thing that's lacking with current mobile systems is the i94x chipsets still restrict the systems to 32bit memory addressing, which means you can't use 4GB of RAM in the system. Dell and several PC manufacturers are shipping 4GB in their systems, but it's an outright scam -- you can't use it! Only about 3.2GB is addressable.
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I was trying to find info out about this last night. Thanks for the clarification. You won't have links would you?

Y'know this makes the wait for C2D slightly less sensible without Santa Rosa. I've seen reports that Santa Rosa could be delivered late Q1 2007. It's not impossible that Apple and Intel have come to an arrangement to get these early.

If that is the case we could see the unlikely situation that MBs get updated to C2D before MBPs! The MBPs might then follow in January (the announcement) with a new case/design/completely new architecture.
 
Macbook drives

I was going to purchase a new Macbook last week but I am holding off for obvious reasons posted 1000 times here and I can't see paying for older technology, Anyway, How can Apple charge $250 to upgrade to a 120gb drive when you can get a 160gb for $155 and put it in easily by yourself. Is that nuts or is it just me. Are people actually letting Apple upgrade their drives cause if they are they are gettimg RIPPED.
 
emotion said:
2x200GB Toshiba 4200 drives?

Possible, but as you say not exactly fast. Some people just want capacity though.
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Yeah, but RAID 0 (not really even RAID) is just asking for trouble...especially at that capacity.

Twice the moving parts, twice the opportunity for failure.
 
4200RPM RAIDMay Out-Perform And Be Cooler Than A Single 7200RPM Drive

barkins said:
What does that say? 4200RPM Hard Drive? 😕

Wow, now that's next-gen performance! 😛
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Wait a dog-gone minute there barkins. That pair in a RAID may very well top a 7200 single drive and at the same time produce way less heat. Do you know for a fact that a 4200RPM RAID performs worse than a single 7200RPM 200 - not to mention having access to almost half a GB inside the mobile?

I, for one, would like to see Apple offer dual drives inside. I'm sure I'm not alone. Can I get a witness?
ct-scan said:
Yeah, but RAID 0 (not really even RAID) is just asking for trouble...especially at that capacity.

Twice the moving parts, twice the opportunity for failure.
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Touché and thanks for that much needed reality check. 😀 So I would still like two large 160GB or 200GB drives inside without a raid running 5400rpm - both in an easy access bay of course.
 
ct-scan said:
Yeah, but RAID 0 (not really even RAID) is just asking for trouble...especially at that capacity.

Twice the moving parts, twice the opportunity for failure.
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Does it mention RAID at all. I know I didn't.
 
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