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[AppliedVisual]

I was trying to find info out about this last night. Thanks for the clarification. You won't have links would you?

Y'know this makes the wait for C2D slightly less sensible without Santa Rosa. I've seen reports that Santa Rosa could be delivered late Q1 2007. It's not impossible that Apple and Intel have come to an arrangement to get these early.

If that is the case we could see the unlikely situation that MBs get updated to C2D before MBPs! The MBPs might then follow in January (the announcement) with a new case/design/completely new architecture.

I don't have any specific links off the top of my head, but plenty of PC users are running Vista, WOW64 and 64bit Linux on their Merom systems and they all use the same i94x chipsets.

As for Apple's delay and waiting for Santa Rosa, there has been plenty of time to iron out certain issues with the MBP line and the reports are saying that Apple has only now started to phase out production of the current models. This really does indicate that there's more going on than simply dropping in the C2D processor line and we can only hope this is indeed the case. Apple does not need to wait for "Santa Rosa" to bring us everything that "Santa Rosa" is. The SR spec is supposed to be finalized sometime around the end of February according to current projections. But Intel and others have said that various component pieces will be available before then or are already available now (Merom CPU). The upcoming Crestline chipset should be just about done, if not done already. If Apple was holding off for the new chipset, then that makes perfect sense. Especially if they made an arrangement with Intel to secure it before other PC vendors, that could be huge.

So, what I'm hopig for is that we'll see new MBP systems this year or MWSF at the latest and we'll have full support for at least 4GB of installed RAM, an updated GPU and possibly even updated "n" spec WiFi as there is in the new iMac systems.

If Apple only releases a chip swap of C2D, then they not only wasted a significant amount of time for this update, but consumers won't be gaining much of anything with the upgrade. Yeah, it will be about 5% faster across the board at the same clock speed and it will have 64bit instruction capability. But it won't have the large memory addressing or updated graphics or a lot of other things the MBP really needs.

But as I said before, the fact that there are reports from multiple sources that MBP production has been slowed to make room for new models only points to an updated model that has new design implementations. It's doubtful that a production line would be slowed or changed drastically to allow for a CPU swap and some fans that can move a little more air.

I think that one thing is for sure. By the time MWSF is over, we'll all know the answer - LOL. Hopefully before then, but by then for sure.

 

[Phishin' it]

So what is deal if I buy a MBP now and they come out with the update on tuseday or something? What are the rules for this and cut off dates. This info would help me alot. Thanks.

 

[emotion]

I think that one thing is for sure. By the time MWSF is over, we'll all know the answer - LOL. Hopefully before then, but by then for sure.

haha yep that is certainly true.

 

[barkins]

Wait a dog-gone minute there. You may be barkins up the wrong tree buddy.

That pair in a RAID may very well top a 7200 single drive in performance while at the same time produce way less heat. Do you know for a fact that a 4200RPM RAID performs worse than a single 7200RPM 200 - not to mention having access to almost half a GB inside the mobile?

I, for one, would like to see Apple offer dual drives inside. I'm sure I'm not alone. Can I get a witness?

AMEN?

You know, I don't see any mention of a RAID on that list. If it was something they offered, wouldn't they want to advertise it?

But what the heck do I know? I'm just lowly PC user waiting to switch over a Mac.

 

[S i]

C2D fully supports the EM64T 64bit instructions/code. The only thing that's lacking with current mobile systems is the i94x chipsets still restrict the systems to 32bit memory addressing, which means you can't use 4GB of RAM in the system. Dell and several PC manufacturers are shipping 4GB in their systems, but it's an outright scam -- you can't use it! Only about 3.2GB is addressable.

Anyway, C2D runs 64bit code/instructions just fine. I'm not sure where some of these rumors even come from. BTW I have the latest Vista RC running on my MBP as well as SUSE Linux 64.

It's been going on for a while. I've a Pentium 660 (64-bit) whitebook kicking around with 4Gb installed - err 2.8Gb usable Thanks for SUSE 64 info

 

[Multimedia]

14 Days Unopened Return Policy

So what is deal if I buy a MBP now and they come out with the update on tuseday or something? What are the rules for this and cut off dates. This info would help me alot. Thanks.

14 Days unopened full credit, 10% restocking fee if opened.

 

[Squonk]

I was going to purchase a new Macbook last week but I am holding off for obvious reasons posted 1000 times here and I can't see paying for older technology, Anyway, How can Apple charge $250 to upgrade to a 120gb drive when you can get a 160gb for $155 and put it in easily by yourself. Is that nuts or is it just me. Are people actually letting Apple upgrade their drives cause if they are they are gettimg RIPPED.

That would be nuts, but then again, not everyone is savvy enough to know how to buy parts cheaply. Enough people will go to their local retailer, bestbuy/circuitcity/compusa and see the high prices and think, well for about the same price Apple will install it too! Of course we here all know how easy a HD swap in a MB is.

Also, you need to figure that these same people are probably not knowledgable enough to install OSX and anything else that they may need to get the MB back to "from Apple" status. So, for me - the price that Apple charges is a rip. For Joe computer user, it's not really a bad deal if they had to pay someone to do these things for them.

 

[Squonk]

14 Days unopened full credit, 10% restocking fee if opened.

If I could have a dime for everytime I see this question asked and answered in these forums, I could have already bought a 17" MBP...

Thanks for being a polite contributor once again Multi!

 

[ct-scan]

Does it mention RAID at all. I know I didn't.

No, it doesn't, but it does say 400GB. To get a 400GB drive you will need to stripe the disks together to form a single logical drive...this is known as RAID 0, but as I said before, most people do NOT consider it to be RAID.
(RAID = Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) And since there is absolutely no redundency in striped drives, it really shouldn't be called RAID.

Semantics asside...if one drive dies, you lose the entire 400GB logical drive, with no chance to rebuild.

 

[Opticdraft]

I would say don't give up yet... Apple released powerbooks around this time of year last year. Just stay optimistic and expect them within the coming weeks. We are getting close.

 

[barkins]

I would say don't give up yet... Apple released powerbooks around this time of year last year. Just stay optimistic and expect them within the coming weeks. We are getting close.

Stay the course!

 

[ct-scan]

I would say don't give up yet... Apple released powerbooks around this time of year last year. Just stay optimistic and expect them within the coming weeks. We are getting close.

Exactly! And even with the October release of PowerBooks, they still released the MBP at MWSF...so all you 'major redesign' people could still get your way come Jan @ Moscone

 

[Multimedia]

October 19, 2005 Was Last Year's New Models Fall Launch Date

I would say don't give up yet... Apple released powerbooks around this time of year last year. Just stay optimistic and expect them within the coming weeks. We are getting close.

It was October 19, 2005 when the last PowerBook G4s and the Dual Core PowerMacs - including the first Quad were all introduced last Fall on the same day.

 

[Mr.Gadget]

One thing that is a very good bet (unlike all the other rumors in this thread ) is some decent redesign/update news at MWSF. That is the perfect venue to go Dual-Quad or Quad-Dual or whatever... (sounds like a new burger at In-n-Out)
Plus any other major changes.

 

[macman2790]

I don't have any specific links off the top of my head, but plenty of PC users are running Vista, WOW64 and 64bit Linux on their Merom systems and they all use the same i94x chipsets.

As for Apple's delay and waiting for Santa Rosa, there has been plenty of time to iron out certain issues with the MBP line and the reports are saying that Apple has only now started to phase out production of the current models. This really does indicate that there's more going on than simply dropping in the C2D processor line and we can only hope this is indeed the case. Apple does not need to wait for "Santa Rosa" to bring us everything that "Santa Rosa" is. The SR spec is supposed to be finalized sometime around the end of February according to current projections. But Intel and others have said that various component pieces will be available before then or are already available now (Merom CPU). The upcoming Crestline chipset should be just about done, if not done already. If Apple was holding off for the new chipset, then that makes perfect sense. Especially if they made an arrangement with Intel to secure it before other PC vendors, that could be huge.

So, what I'm hopig for is that we'll see new MBP systems this year or MWSF at the latest and we'll have full support for at least 4GB of installed RAM, an updated GPU and possibly even updated "n" spec WiFi as there is in the new iMac systems.

If Apple only releases a chip swap of C2D, then they not only wasted a significant amount of time for this update, but consumers won't be gaining much of anything with the upgrade. Yeah, it will be about 5% faster across the board at the same clock speed and it will have 64bit instruction capability. But it won't have the large memory addressing or updated graphics or a lot of other things the MBP really needs.

But as I said before, the fact that there are reports from multiple sources that MBP production has been slowed to make room for new models only points to an updated model that has new design implementations. It's doubtful that a production line would be slowed or changed drastically to allow for a CPU swap and some fans that can move a little more air.

I think that one thing is for sure. By the time MWSF is over, we'll all know the answer - LOL. Hopefully before then, but by then for sure.

I'm with you on this one man. This was what i've been hoping for since sept. 12. I realized that 4gb of ram probably wouldn't be an option if it were released in september. The later in the year it gets the more of a chance we have for 800mhz fsb, 4gb ram,etc. We will get what we want. Mwsf would be a great time to release it. Even if they don't ship til february i won't be disapointed. I just want the full 64 bit package. Not some dell 4gb rip off deal.

 

[dclocke]

Why are you here? Besides who cares if you repeat twice or thrice. That dog over at my neighbour's barks all the time, I just throw rocks at it when nobody's around



Read the post you've quoted again just in case you didn't get it.



Define bedtime. Bedtime is what I choose to make it, unlike you who still can't get used to the concept of having free choice

Oh I forgot, a Mac user! No choices! 3 Macbooks and 2 Macbook Pros, that's it! Too much for me! Brain overloading!

*Spams forum posts "What computer should I get? Macbook or Macbook Pro or iMac?"

Are you retarded?

 

[Multimedia]

8-Core Mac Pro Will Be With ZERO Re-Design Next Month November 2006

One thing that is a very good bet (unlike all the other rumors in this thread ) is some decent redesign/update news at MWSF. That is the perfect venue to go Dual-Quad or Quad-Dual or whatever... (sounds like a new burger at In-n-Out)
Plus any other major changes.

Believe it or not, the Dual Quad Clovertown processors are nothing more than a new pair of processor lines in the Mac Pro configure page. There will be ZERO re-design for the Mac Pro 8-core option to appear next month. Here is what they are likely to say:

Two 2.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $800]
Two 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $1200]

Mac Pro was Pre-Designed to handle Dual 4-core Clovertown procesors as well as the Woodies it started with. Another way of looking at it is that Intel designed Clovertown to make upgrading any Woodcrest PCs a simple processor swap.

 

[anim8or]

A friend just ordered a 15" MBP the other day, but is now having doubts....

...his shipping date is 16th and delivery is 25th, its a CTO.

Should he cancel now and wiat or should he just stay with it, and if he is lucky get a merom MBP?

 

[Andrew F]

A friend just ordered a 15" MBP the other day, but is now having doubts....

...his shipping date is 16th and delivery is 25th, its a CTO.

Should he cancel now and wiat or should he just stay with it, and if he is lucky get a merom MBP?

If he doesn't need it, it couldn't hurt any. He can always reorder the same laptop later if the aren't released soon. Or he could order a refurb and get a lower price.

 

[AVonGauss]

I was trying to find info out about this last night. Thanks for the clarification. You won't have links would you?

Y'know this makes the wait for C2D slightly less sensible without Santa Rosa. I've seen reports that Santa Rosa could be delivered late Q1 2007. It's not impossible that Apple and Intel have come to an arrangement to get these early.

If that is the case we could see the unlikely situation that MBs get updated to C2D before MBPs! The MBPs might then follow in January (the announcement) with a new case/design/completely new architecture.

More likely is that the MBP line will get updated around Oct 24th or so and then in March/April of 2007 it will be obsolete ...

 

[AVonGauss]

2x200GB Toshiba 4200 drives?

Possible, but as you say not exactly fast. Some people just want capacity though.

The RPM (revolutions per minute) isn't really a complete measurement of performance, just how fast the "platters" spin. Its really the average seek and read times you really want to know (I have no idea on that drive). I would be more concerned with the additional weight and draw on those pesky batteries though...

 

[Mr.Gadget]

Believe it or not, the Dual Quad Clovertown processors are nothing more than a new pair of processor lines in the Mac Pro configure page. There will be ZERO re-design for the Mac Pro 8-core option to appear next month. Here is what they are likely to say:

Two 2.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $800]
Two 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $1200]

Mac Pro was Pre-Designed to handle Dual 4-core Clovertown procesors as well as the Woodies it started with. Another way of looking at it is that Intel designed Clovertown to make upgrading any Woodcrest PCs a simple processor swap.

Wow, are you expecting those actual prices for the upgrades? I guess that is 8 processors in one box...
Any thoughts as to whether they will offer HD-DVD or Blue-Ray on those upcoming Pros? Does Apple support one camp over the other right now?

 

[anim8or]

If he doesn't need it, it couldn't hurt any. He can always reorder the same laptop later if the aren't released soon. Or he could order a refurb and get a lower price.

He ordered it through th ehigher education store saving him a mountain load already....

i think for 120 gb HD, 2gb RAM, applecare, 15" cost £1750, the standard config. costs £1699.... so its not cost i think.

He just started reading into the hype!

 

[tteerts]

Believe it or not, the Dual Quad Clovertown processors are nothing more than a new pair of processor lines in the Mac Pro configure page. There will be ZERO re-design for the Mac Pro 8-core option to appear next month. Here is what they are likely to say:

Two 2.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $800]
Two 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon [Add $1200]

Mac Pro was Pre-Designed to handle Dual 4-core Clovertown procesors as well as the Woodies it started with. Another way of looking at it is that Intel designed Clovertown to make upgrading any Woodcrest PCs a simple processor swap.

Are we pretty hopeful that they will actually make their appearance next month? They are overkill for me, but I might like to see them just to drive down the price of the current Mac Pro a bit (which I would then pounce on) - but I would also rather not get into the waiting game that has spanned several months and threads for the MBPs...

 

[anim8or]

I am sorry for asking this again but the MBP is a CTO so am i right in saying unless he cancels his order before its shipped he is stuck with it, regardless if he doesnt open it?

He doesnt want to get his shiny new MBP and the the next day its updated?

Surely apple would contact him about a reimbursment or upgrade before shipping if it were this close?

Also having read all these threads i informed him that a few people say that their orders have been cancelled recently due to lack of stock or potential upgrades. I cant say whether these rumors are accurate or if orders have or havent been cancelled by apple?