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habicht said:Hello! It's my first post here, but i've been following the new MacBook/Pro discussion for a while now.
My roommate ordered a BTO MacBook 5 weeks ago at an onlinestore, he talked to them yesterday on the phone to ask why it takes so long...
They told him they had to cancel his order because Apple is not shipping any laptops at this moment because the new MacBooks and MacBookPros will be out the 24th of Oktober.
thought it might interest some around here.
Awesome! Is that for real? Finally, that long wait will pay off at the 24th October ... (Germany date?) hmm then it's 25th October in Aussie then
reflex said:Sure I don't need one.
But I planned to buy a new laptop in September (I buy a new one every two years). Since the company I work for is starting to make OSX software, it would be nice to have one that can run OSX and Windows (as opposed to just Windows now). And I prefer the 15" screen over the 13" of the Macbook.
Not needing one makes the wait a little bit easier, wanting one makes it a lot more difficult
Every 2 years! You sure do have lots of money in ur hand.
I haven't changed my computer for the past 5 years. It's time for me to get new one. And 24th October, ... here I come!
I have no choice but to order soon. This is not a case of my eagerness getting the best of me, it's a case of my needing to take advantage of a potentially expiring and extraordinarily rare offer (i.e. Apple replacing my TiBook with an MBP). I've been holding out for a bit over a month, now, and I fear my time is up. I MIGHT be able to keep stalling, but I don't really want to push my luck when I've got a good thing going for me. That said, I think I'm gonna wait until Tuesday, see what happens, and then buy something.
Supposing the newer, better, merom-ier MBPs are announced within the following two weeks, is there a chance I'll still get to upgrade to those? Does Apple still email you and ask if you want the new model if they're giving it to you? *Frown*
Also, supposing I am forced to order a yonah mbp, what's my best bet for reselling it once the merom MBPs exist? If that seems feasible, does it matter what configuration MBP i get? do some have better depreciation values than others?
*sigh*
at least the wait is almost over.
Supposing the newer, better, merom-ier MBPs are announced within the following two weeks, is there a chance I'll still get to upgrade to those? Does Apple still email you and ask if you want the new model if they're giving it to you? *Frown*
Also, supposing I am forced to order a yonah mbp, what's my best bet for reselling it once the merom MBPs exist? If that seems feasible, does it matter what configuration MBP i get? do some have better depreciation values than others?
*sigh*
at least the wait is almost over.
absurdio said:
well, the silent update Apple did to the MBP a while back (5 months+ ago?) does exactly that. They bumped up the spec without telling anyone and everyone's order were bumped up without having to pay any extra penny. So hopefully you'll be in that crowd if MBP is released anytime before your new machine is shipped
bubba73 said:
The reason why Windows is so crap is it has to support so many different processers, graphics cards, sound cards etc it OS X had to support loads of CRAP it would be CRAP
Windows isn't quite what I would rate as crap. It is just too big and unwieldy with support for too many things. OSX has a general plan for upgrades and for deprecating older drivers/subsystems. Windows has no real capacity for removing the older stuff, and no real controls over the quality of drivers and custom written subsystems (read very cheap OEM parts with no software support). If you go for a stripped down system with properly written drivers, I believe you will find that it is more stable than OSX. That being said, 99% of the systems out there have lots of random bits and peices with lots of bad drivers... (lenovo thinkpad t43, so many bad drivers and programs required)
Yes, OSX continues to work on the oldest stuff, but you better believe the subsystems have been replaced a number of times with nothing left of the original designs. You can trace many windows subsystems back to windows 3.0 with no or very little in the way of changing its function. MS needs to start over and throw everything away while keeping the general api interfaces for the latest and greatest stuff (dx10, directsound etc). They had the chance with the 64bit edition, but they didn't go far enough IMO.
OSX would be fine with a larger subset of drivers and third party support. Just charge the OEM/Device developers a charge to test their products to apple quality standards.
Come on apple, 1920x1200 with a decent video card in a 15" format. I got money burning a hole in my checking account waiting for it!
Yes, OSX continues to work on the oldest stuff, but you better believe the subsystems have been replaced a number of times with nothing left of the original designs. You can trace many windows subsystems back to windows 3.0 with no or very little in the way of changing its function. MS needs to start over and throw everything away while keeping the general api interfaces for the latest and greatest stuff (dx10, directsound etc). They had the chance with the 64bit edition, but they didn't go far enough IMO.
OSX would be fine with a larger subset of drivers and third party support. Just charge the OEM/Device developers a charge to test their products to apple quality standards.
Come on apple, 1920x1200 with a decent video card in a 15" format. I got money burning a hole in my checking account waiting for it!
bubba73 said:
That's definitely a better deal that the current 17" MBP... In fact, I doubt you could find a worse deal than the current 17" MBP.
However, I would argue that it's quite safe to expect Apple to upgrade the MBPs, at least, and probably their whole notebook line, very soon. When they do, I'm willing to bet that the new 17" MBP will be the best notebook money can buy, and will make you regret the decision to go with the HP, if you cave in now.
The problem with Apple, now that they've switched to Intel processors, is that they haven't adapted to the faster upgrade cycle. This has it's upside... which is that they still put a lot of time and effort into making their products with the most appropriate components, assembled in the best-designed way. But this makes them much slower than their competitors with respect to releasing new versions. I appreciate the extra attention to detail in Apple machines, and all I would change is to have Apple recognize that their current machines are no-longer top-tier performance machines, and drop the prices on them until they release the new versions, which I anticipate will put them back into the top-tier performance category.
If what you need is a high performance laptop, and you don't mind having to deal with Windows and/or you're able to set up the system you need using Linux, then I'd agree that the HP is the way to go. On the other hand, if you value the reliability, design and software provided by Apple, and you don't need the high performance, the current MB is a fine system, and reasonably priced. Finally, if you can afford to wait another week or two, I think you'll see some very impressive new notebooks being released by Apple that gives you an attractive option at the high end.
Cheers
Sterculus said:
Not that I would buy a Mac from them, but Best Buy currently does not even show MBPs on their website (not even as back-ordered). MBs are still there, though.
My guess is a week from this coming Tuesday, just ahead of London Mac Expo.
EDIT: Circuit City, which recently started carrying Apple machines on their website, does not show the 17" MBP. Not sure if they did earlier.
bryanc - " In fact, I doubt you could find a worse deal than the current 17" MBP."
I guess you are right, I just got mine about a week ago: $200 rebate, free shiping, no taxes, FAST, cool, NO whine / buzz / moo / whatever, huge screen real estate. Fit and finish is excellent, reasonable Airport reception, no dead pixels, screen holds its position when moving the computer around, very quiet hard drive.....
Well, maybe its not as bad a deal as you had me thinking
I guess you are right, I just got mine about a week ago: $200 rebate, free shiping, no taxes, FAST, cool, NO whine / buzz / moo / whatever, huge screen real estate. Fit and finish is excellent, reasonable Airport reception, no dead pixels, screen holds its position when moving the computer around, very quiet hard drive.....
Well, maybe its not as bad a deal as you had me thinking
They have. There are iMacs for sale with Core2 Duo processors and they came out when the chips inside them where essentially just becoming available from Intel.bryanc said:
I think Apple is trying to stave off some of the production problems that plagued the first run of MacBook Pros. Perhaps they are going to put the nVidia 7950 in it, that was just announced Friday.
tarjan said:
Oh no, it's crap alright. I have yet to meet a Windows PC that wasn't underperforming or having stability issues. My PC at work hesitates for twenty seconds when opening IE and it sends error reports to Microsoft every other time I shut down Outlook. I just reinstalled XP for the third time on my home computer. It's running beautifully at the moment but that won't last for long before it starts crashing again and performance grinds to a crawl. My sister barely uses her XP computer any longer and don't get me started on my Dad's notebook. I even cleaned up a friend's PC and she asked me to clean up her sister's PC as well. I just don't want to be everyone's Windows fix-it shop.
It seems that everybody has a wealth of problems with their Windows computers. The 17" C2D MBP that I'm waiting for will be my first Mac. Can people tell me to expect it to go downhill in a matter of weeks just like those Windows computers seem prone to do?
Just curious on an issue. I've seen around 3 MBP's and Powerbook G4's where when closed...the left side of the screen isn't fully closed from the front view, whereas as the right side is flush with the base of the unit. Is it normal for the left hand side of the screen to lift off the based when closed? Or is this the user's fault.
iMinnesotan said:
Idiots can ruin anything in the name of "I know what I'm doing".
That being said, it's much more difficult to trash an OS X system than windows. It can be done, but it's well beyond the scope of the average "user".
So, you're pretty much spot on. In the last year alone, I can't remember how many times I've laughed at a couple of my buddies every time they've reloaded their PC's. Between the two of them that I am referring to, I'll bet it's at least half a dozen or a little more. With wondows, admin access is admin access. With OS X, to do real significant damage, you have to switch to root. Something most "users" aren't even aware exists. You can do some damage with "admin" on OS X, but it's way more involved than most "users" are aware of. Most wouldn't even know there's an /etc directory.
Not that sometimes things can't just happen, that's the nature of electronics. However, they are much less likely on a Mac vs a PC. Once you've switched, you'll wonder why it took so long.
timmillwood said:
I have always looked at it that way too. Most issues with Windows systems are due to driver problems/conflicts and the vast amount of absolute ***** software available that most system vendors and end users pollute their systems with. And to further reinforce that point, this is starting to happen to Linux... Each year, the amount of supported hardware increases dramatically and with that so do the conflicts, incompatibilities and poorly written drivers.
If Apple were to generalize OSX and release it unto the masses, it would open up several portions of the OS to shoddy driver development and certain security issues that now affect Windows. Not only that, but Apple would effectively be done selling systems as there's no way they would be able to keep up with Dell or the multitude of smaller performance oriented companies that do nothing but ship fancy-painted sytems, thrown together with hardly a care, using the latest performance parts and very little serious testing -- so they can beat the other guy to market.
aaronon said:
It's pretty common, and actually has become the norm for Powerbooks. It might be a slight design flaw, or more likely, it's because most users use their right hand to adjust the screen, and do so by grabbing the upper right corner, so over time it just drifts away from flush a little.
It's nothing to worry about, and doesn't affect the unit at all.
aaronon said:
I have a 12" PB and it's bent up on the right side. Also I'm pretty sure ths is my fault from mishandling it.
Actually it's more that it is pulled flush in the middle by the latch, but bent up on either side by the little rubber feet.
Yeh come to think of it. The magnetic latch would cure this...as you can only open it from the centre i.e the maganetic latch itself! So it would be impossible to open it from either end thus damaging your notebook.