And also, the latch on my PB doesn't work very well, so i find myself pressing down pretty hard to make it close. This bends it down in the middle.aaronon said:
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suwandy said:
That'd be really ideal. I'd be a very happy fellow if that were the case here.
generik said:Instead of being greedy why not snap up the offer now, sell it on eBay, cash the money, and go back to waiting?
Well, one problem is that I'll have to send Apple my broken TiBook (it still works, but haltingly and unreliably). If I just get the MBP and sell it instantly, I'll be without ANY computer for...well however long it takes for the new MBPs to be released.
That said, if i can survive just using library computers and the like for a couple weeks, that's not a bad option. If I elect to go that route, do you think it makes any difference what configuration I go for? The deal is basically this: base-model MBP for free; if i want any upgrades, I pay for those (i.e. $2k off any other MBP). And how much will the resale value be diminished by my having used the machine for a couple of weeks?
What's the longest-running thread on MR?
I'm pretty sure that if we merged this thread with the 'new MBP at Photokina' and 'no new MBPs until next year' threads we'd be way over anything that's ever been discussed on MR.
Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know what the longest single thread on MR has been and what it's topic was.
Cheers
I'm pretty sure that if we merged this thread with the 'new MBP at Photokina' and 'no new MBPs until next year' threads we'd be way over anything that's ever been discussed on MR.
Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know what the longest single thread on MR has been and what it's topic was.
Cheers
I think it's the 'what's your config?' thread. About 600 pages! The link is somewhere in the Photokina thread
DHagan4755 said:
Nope, it's not going to happen for the same reason the 7900GTX512MB wasn't used in any MBP, too much heat. Both these consume 45w as compared to the underclocked x1600, IIRC spec'd at 17w...nearly 3 times as much heat generated by these top of the line chips. At best you'd get the recently released 7700 or soon to be released/annouced mid-level performance ATI GPU.
bryanc said:
If it wasn't mentioned in the PK thread, I recall there being one or more threads with 6k+ posts.
AppliedVisual said:
LOL, there have been plenty of driver/software issues with 3rd party products on the Apple side. Some are so annoying as to be utterly idiotic. I was at a Photoshop convention a few years ago, and a vendor for Epson was telling me the problems of prerefences you []could[] set under OS9.2 under PS, but not with OSX; and how Epson was blaming Apple for not giving enough help, details of lower level system code; and Apple was pointing the finger at Epson for not implementing code that would allow for these PS preference/profile settings. Orange Micro cards, all sorts of hardware cards for the Mac, have had numerious problems, each side blames the other.
I used to have a Canon inkjet printer. Canon's got all the good reviews for speed and such, but after several years (not months) of driver updates and newer models with the same damned problem, I gave up any hope that Canon woudl pull their head's out of their arses and do a simple fix to the printer driver software that would allow for backwards to forwards printing (allowing you to have the 1st page of a document end up on top of the print job, so you don't have to manually re-order and entire stack of a printed out document!). It's just so simple, and so stupid of Canon. /rant
If the updates are coming the next few weeks, I predict mass disappointment. Apple may do as little as just throwing in the C2D, just like with the iMac, waiting instead for MWSF or later for a major update of features/parts. IMO.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, Canon beats HP by a hundred miles when it comes to functionality on a Mac. And then I don't mean the fine points, I mean actually functioning. Canon does, HP barely so, at least the Deskjet I used to have...
Anyway why do you gus always stray from the laptops, is the thread too long? Start a new one.. Has laptops started to bore you? Get some fresh air.
Anyway why do you gus always stray from the laptops, is the thread too long? Start a new one.. Has laptops started to bore you? Get some fresh air.
Butthead said:
I'll have to disagree. Simply from the fact that if it were as simple as a mere chip swap, it would have been out well before this. Instead, they used their initial C2D stock in the iMac.
What the details are, like anyone else I have no idea. However for Apple to wait so long in comparison to the chips release in August to ship the updated processor makes absolutely no sense at all. They know they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.
One concern is very likely the heating issues, something that the larger enclosure of the iMac wouldn't be near as prone to. With that in mind, might as well do it right and add in some other goodies while their at it.
So anyway, the more time passes, the better I see the opportunities for much more than a simple chip swap.
Reach said:Well, as far as I'm concerned, Canon beats HP by a hundred miles when it comes to functionality on a Mac. And then I don't mean the fine points, I mean actually functioning. Canon does, HP barely so, at least the Deskjet I used to have...
Anyway why do you gus always stray from the laptops, is the thread too long? Start a new one.. Has laptops started to bore you? Get some fresh air.
If A random person posts something even remotely relating to the macbook, whether it's by 6 or 90 degrees, they will. It will eventually take over the thread until some one says, "Hey guys, I don't know whether this means something, but the store in my town isn't selling Macbooks anymore!!!!" This then launches a debate (often including someone calling another stupid, or ill-read. Also often ending in tears and I'm sorry's) Lots of opinions blah blah skip ahead a few pages where you find that someone's cat got stuck in a tree because the noise of the MBP scared it. Then a person asks, "Oooh Oooh Whats your specs DUDE??!!!!" after about eh ill give em 7 posts tops, theyre like "Oh, See that should be the base of the C2D MBPs at $400 including a Mr. potato head, and a ferrari. And then the cycle starts again with: "I want a ferrari and a MBP.... I don't need a Mr. Potato head because im a movie editor and also because I'm too good for the world....." I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore.... I hope that answers your question.
And if I made fun of anyone there, sorry, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of everything
AutumnSkyline said:If A random person posts something even remotely relating to the macbook, whether it's by 6 or 90 degrees, they will. It will eventually take over the thread until some one says, "Hey guys, I don't know whether this means something, but the store in my town isn't selling Macbooks anymore!!!!" This then launches a debate (often including someone calling another stupid, or ill-read. Also often ending in tears and I'm sorry's) Lots of opinions blah blah skip ahead a few pages where you find that someone's cat got stuck in a tree because the noise of the MBP scared it. Then a person asks, "Oooh Oooh Whats your specs DUDE??!!!!" after about eh ill give em 7 posts tops, theyre like "Oh, See that should be the base of the C2D MBPs at $400 including a Mr. potato head, and a ferrari. And then the cycle starts again with: "I want a ferrari and a MBP.... I don't need a Mr. Potato head because im a movie editor and also because I'm too good for the world....." I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore.... I hope that answers your question.
And if I made fun of anyone there, sorry, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of everything
Nice point.
I think the biggest thing is that there really isn't any new info coming out that's worth a crap, and even in that regard there hasn't been hardly anything. So, the next best thing is to grab at straws, and keep the little building support group alive until the next rumor is posted throughout the net.
ThunderLounge said:Nice point.
I think the biggest thing is that there really isn't any new info coming out that's worth a crap, and even in that regard there hasn't been hardly anything. So, the next best thing is to grab at straws, and keep the little building support group alive until the next rumor is posted throughout the net.
Amen broooother
announcement i think within the next 2 weeks, before the end of the month.
yeah. thats the ticket.
yeah. thats the ticket.
Butthead said:
I never said there isn't problems... My point was that there are far fewer issues of that type. Not because of superior hardware/software, but just a lack of opportunity for such things to go wrong. Fewer hardware choices = fewer potential problems. Although, I think the "success" rate with third-party products on the Mac is just as bad, if not worse, than on Windows systems.
And yes, I have to agree with your printer rant... I've had my share of complaints regarding both Canon and Epson printer support on the Mac. Even my HP Color LaserJet 3800n has glitches with the latest software. At least I can change a few defaults to work around it, but in general, I think printer support on the Mac sucks and it's an - industry-wide problem. Canon even went as far as to specifically block non-USB based port references on their new photo printers. I can't use my i9900 via a USB2 print server without modifying config files. Why would they do this? They didn't do this on their old printer software and nobody else does it... Do they think we're all just going to buy more printers. I can always just share the printer from a workstation, but that didn't fit the plan as I don't have or want the printer sitting near any of my systems.
I'm prepared to be disappointed... I'm seriously expecting a C2D drop-in with the thickness of the MBP increasing by 1/8" to 1/4". If not an increase in thickness, then it will expand in some direction to allow for increased internal air circulation. I suppose a GPU bump is possible, but I would say unlikely unless they have gone to a new logic board design, which I don't see until they're ready to incorporate the i965 chipset. Just out of speculation, I'm thinking that they're taking preliminary steps now to accomodate a larger update down the road... Meaning, even with all the wait, we'll see a slightly different form factor and C2D and not much if anything else. Sometime between MWSF and about May 1st, we'll probably see "the big update"...
I hope I'm wrong.
shecky said:
A prime example! Adding on to my rant before: Intermittently (and Sorry to use you as an illustration, it was perfect timing) Someone will say, founded, or unfounded, "Guys, Im so excited, I think they'll be here in like 2 days what do you think" When it has already been stated 5,000,000 other times the same way. Now, I actually think this is good. It shows that there are eternal optimists, and they really never give up...... never.
You know guys..... I heard that Ol' Stevie was bringing back the Powerbooks, Yeah, He said that He knew how much you guys missed them, it was like a longing for a friend in another country. And that MWSF is your plane ticket to that country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AppliedVisual said:
i think it will be somewhere between a "chip drop in" and and "all new design" (all new design being defined as something to the level of TiBook to AluBook or greater)
i do not anticipate a massively redesigned new enclosure, but i do anticipate easy access HD, possibly a slightly thicker enclosure with newer venting, but keeping the same basic AluBook look; as well as the expected internal upgrades like HD, video, ram, etc..
AutumnSkyline said:
yeah...i know. do you think maybe there was a chance i was busting your chops a little bit?
shecky said:
I actually don't want a redesign. I want the macbooks to be updated same time as the MBPs and the MBPs could be changed, but not the Macbooks. They look soooooooooooooooo nice
. Hopefully this way, they will be out before my birthday *Nov. 12*
shecky said:yeah...i know. do you think maybe there was a chance i was busting your chops a little bit?
Hey, it actually wasn't supposed to be taken that serious. I like being cynical, and the way I said what I wrote to myself the first time was funny and pretty much described what was going on
awww well.Guys and girls, STOP talking about "it is too hot". Just because you think that something is going to be hotter, does not mean that it will be. Turn the clock rate down and re-engineer the insides using a sodium filled heat pipe or some other new-fangled approach and what might be too hot in the current enclosure might not be in a new one. Apple is not going to do a mid-stream total enclosure change half way into a product cycle unless people are being maimed or burnt alive in masses (not just one or two). Look how long it took until the battery issue was being addressed.
They would have to reshape, not just redesign the logic board, main motherboard, the heatpipes, possibly the case, fans etc. Within the current framework we probably will not see any changes, but with a new design who knows? Just like back in the day there was no conceivable way to put a massive 386 in a portable computer, now the 386 processor isn't even a blip on the radar screen and devices with them (yes they are still around as embedded chipsets in small devices) run for weeks on a single AA battery with no heat issues.
We just don't know if apple can or cannot put a super fast gpu in a mbp/mb type enclosure without issue. Maybe it can be done, maybe it cannot, but we have no proof or information one way or another.
(Considering some of the nanotech and nanotube approaches that have been bandied about in the past few months, I don't think any of the current batch of portable gpus would be an issue, at least in relation to heat at low clock rate. Battery life is a different issue entirely...)
They would have to reshape, not just redesign the logic board, main motherboard, the heatpipes, possibly the case, fans etc. Within the current framework we probably will not see any changes, but with a new design who knows? Just like back in the day there was no conceivable way to put a massive 386 in a portable computer, now the 386 processor isn't even a blip on the radar screen and devices with them (yes they are still around as embedded chipsets in small devices) run for weeks on a single AA battery with no heat issues.
We just don't know if apple can or cannot put a super fast gpu in a mbp/mb type enclosure without issue. Maybe it can be done, maybe it cannot, but we have no proof or information one way or another.
(Considering some of the nanotech and nanotube approaches that have been bandied about in the past few months, I don't think any of the current batch of portable gpus would be an issue, at least in relation to heat at low clock rate. Battery life is a different issue entirely...)
AutumnSkyline said:Hey, it actually wasn't supposed to be taken that serious. I like being cynical, and the way I said what I wrote to myself the first time was funny and pretty much described what was going on
no worries
and i know its gonna be this tuesday because when i got my mail saturday AM instead of it being in the box with the front facing left the front was facing right. so, obviously C2D on the 17th!!!!!!!!! w00t!!111!!!!111!!!
aaaaaaand 3000.
let this end already with an announcement soon. for the love of Woz, let it end.
let this end already with an announcement soon. for the love of Woz, let it end.
shecky said:
The announcements only going to be as good as the product their announcing. Sorry, thought I'd state that
Multimedia made what I thought was a good suggestion a few weeks back in a similar situation...he suggested the person open only as much of the notebook as they had to use, leaving as much sealed as possible. The more that is sealed and the less it is used, the better it will sell.absurdio said:
Konfabulation said:
Yeah, honestly, if they don't release them soon, I'll turn Emo. That is what Steve Jobs is doing to the youth of America
generik said:
What a brilliant little utility - control over the fan speed.
It just can't be right that the MBP's kicking out so much heat. Surely it'll end in tears.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a little fan add-on which you could plug into the back/bottom/side/whatever of the unit and blow more air through it (that's different from blowing air at it). For me, most of the real processing's done with the lappie on the desktop with an external monitor and keyboard connected, so having some blower connected wouldn't be a problem.
To bring this back on topic, I wonder if they'll add a blow hole?