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Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?

macman2790 said:
Ok, I see your point about the release of a new mb and mbp. But really, think about it. All of us who are speculating about them only represent about .001% of the mac population and ones who want a mac. Most people will buy a mac when they can afford one or when they need one. Some don't even know what merom or core2duo is. They see the 5x faster sign and there you go, thats all they see. Yes we all want a merom macbook pro or macbook, but it won't be much of a speed increase. Some of us have already bit the bullet because they were tired of waiting to purchase a mac. What does that say? They want it for OS X, what it's really about. Not for it's processor, or incremental increase of speed.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not going to affect Apple's holiday sales as much as you think it will. Wait til' MWSF and we all will get what we want with all heat issues solved probably. Whatever they release at MWSF is going to be groundbreaking I'm sure of it. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes. The longer the better......but not too long.
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Agreed. The casual buyer won't realize the difference. I have been an ideal consumer in that I research before I buy and try to make smart decisions. So in this switch to mac I have a much bigger problem buying old technology for current prices even if it really won't affect my usage of that technology. I would rather wait for an update and either buy the newest product at the (most likely) same price or be able to buy the older technology at a discount (and rightly so). I would imagine sometime this month we'll see something but who knows really.
 
I'm actually kind of glad that there weren't Macbook updates today, because the refurb Macbook I ordered last week was upgraded to "out for delivery" today on the Fed Ex website. If there were Core 2 Duos released today, I would have felt inclined to send it right back and then have to wait even longer for a new one! :D
 
bryanc said:
Of course, what the pope tells people is largely fiction as well... but not as good.

Cheers
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as well as Lucifer, the Ayatollah ... heck, Frank Rich, and on and on ... and the words of thread beaters, like us, feeding our OCD's with a MBP update that will never happen!
 
thunda32 said:
Agreed. The casual buyer won't realize the difference.
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Whilst the casual buyer might not be aware of the intricacies of the differences between a CD and a C2D there is now a bombardment of adverts on tv, online and in print from Intel stating that the C2D is the BEST processor. Are you seriously saying that the casual buyer is going to accept the MBP is top-of-the-line when it doesn't have the processor they have been told again and again is the BEST?
 
maverick808 said:
Whilst the casual buyer might not be aware of the intricicies of the differences between a CD and a C2D there is now a bombardment of adverts on tv, online and in print from Intel stating that the C2D is the BEST processor. Are you seriously saying that the casual buyer is going to accept the MBP is top-of-the-line when it doesn't have the processor they have been told again and again is the BEST?
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Way back in my college days I also sold computers at a major retailer (Circuit City). From my experience (again, this is only my experience) the far majority of buyers did not know anything about the chips. I had to explain the difference between a Pentium and a Celeron. Most people just want a computer that is within their budget and does what they want it to do. I really don't believe that the minor difference of adding a 2 in between CD is incredibly noticable. Not nearly as obvious a distinction as "pentium" and "celeron" were. It would be easy to gloss over this as long as it says core duo in the ad.

Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience with the computer buying public.
 
AppliedVisual said:
I know that waiting to release won't hurt sales for Apple. I'm looking at it from the point of view of them boosting sales. An updated MB/MBP release in time for holiday shoppers is just one more positive marketing point that even casual Mac buyers will noticed. Because "New and Improved!" looks real nice next to a 5X faster sign too. :)
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Exactly why not releasing C2D units very soon does hurt sales. The previous poster was correct in that a huge majority of buyers are ignorant, and don't research the product they buy. All they know are buzz words and slogans they hear on TV, and when they go to Best Buy or CompUSA, they want "the fastest processor on the planet, the C2D," and when they ask the salesman they're told "Apple doesn't offer that, they use they 'old' processor ... but over here (pointing to the Sonys, HPs and Acers) you can have your choice of size, color and options in C2D units!"

Tell me which brand the uninformed buyer is going to choose? Not going to get many "switchers" to Apple notebooks. It's an uphill battle to pitch Mac sales to a PC world with Apple using the same "modern, fastest in the world" processors. Without them, almost impossible.

:mad:

iBorg
 
thunda32 said:
Way back in my college days I also sold computers at a major retailer (Circuit City). From my experience (again, this is only my experience) the far majority of buyers did not know anything about the chips. I had to explain the difference between a Pentium and a Celeron. Most people just want a computer that is within their budget and does what they want it to do. I really don't believe that the minor difference of adding a 2 in between CD is incredibly noticable. Not nearly as obvious a distinction as "pentium" and "celeron" were. It would be easy to gloss over this as long as it says core duo in the ad.

Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience with the computer buying public.
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Well, I don't know for sure either, but my suspicion is that if a buyer goes into Best Buy and sees one display that says "Core Duo", and another display across the aisle that reads "Core 2 Duo", they'll go for the C2D.
 
djkny said:
as well as Lucifer, the Ayatollah ... heck, Frank Rich, and on and on ... and the words of thread beaters, like us, feeding our OCD's with a MBP update that will never happen!
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Ye shall burneth for all eternity while being crushed in the Jaws of Cerberus! What blasphemy, thou shalt not doubt the divine prophecy, for updated MBPs cometh... Next Tuesday.

Can I get a "Next Tudsday!"?
 
iBorg20181 said:
Exactly why not releasing C2D units very soon does hurt sales. The previous poster was correct in that a huge majority of buyers are ignorant, and don't research the product they buy. All they know are buzz words and slogans they hear on TV, and when they go to Best Buy or CompUSA, they want "the fastest processor on the planet, the C2D," and when they ask the salesman they're told "Apple doesn't offer that, they use they 'old' processor ... but over here (pointing to the Sonys, HPs and Acers) you can have your choice of size, color and options in C2D units!"
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I don't see this scenario playing out in an Apple Store. Also, Apple sells the majority of its computers in the U.S. through its own stores or via online sales, not through retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City.

I'd wager that the "ignorant" buyer who is even considering a Mac doesn't view it as an equal trade off versus a PC, therefore giving the processor the deciding edge in their decision. Those same people are thinking about viruses, software compatibility, operating system, etc. Not to mention price. But consider, if you're a sales person, working on commission, which would you rather sell: an Apple or a cheaper, C2D-sporting HP?

Tell me which brand the uninformed buyer is going to choose? Not going to get many "switchers" to Apple notebooks. It's an uphill battle to pitch Mac sales to a PC world with Apple using the same "modern, fastest in the world" processors. Without them, almost impossible.
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Maybe it is an "uphill battle" as you say to get people to switch but more and more people appear to be doing so. Why? Partly due to the Intel switch but everything from the iPod halo effect to exasperation among many with Windows also plays a role.

Put simply, the decision to buy a Mac over a PC isn't just about the processor.
 
AppliedVisual said:
Ye shall burneth for all eternity while being crushed in the Jaws of Cerberus! What blasphemy, thou shalt not doubt the divine prophecy, for updated MBPs cometh... Next Tuesday.

Can I get a "Next Tudsday!"?
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Would coffee shooting out my nose suffice for now?
 
Next Tuesday

AppliedVisual said:
Ye shall burneth for all eternity while being crushed in the Jaws of Cerberus! What blasphemy, thou shalt not doubt the divine prophecy, for updated MBPs cometh... Next Tuesday.

Can I get a "Next Tudsday!"?
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AMEN! ... i mean NEXT TUESDAY!
im going to hell for this :p
 
ThunderLounge said:
Would coffee shooting out my nose suffice for now?
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It's a start....

I figured since it's starting to resemble a cult of religious fanatics around here -- who are all waiting for the the second coming of ...the MBP, we may as well start talking like it. :D
 
AppliedVisual said:
It's a start....

I figured since it's starting to resemble a cult of religious fanatics around here -- who are all waiting for the the second coming of ...the MBP, we may as well start talking like it. :D
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Famous last words...

"That Koresh guy really has some great ideas and views!"
-- unknown Waco, Tx resident.


:D
 
thunda32 said:
Agreed. The casual buyer won't realize the difference. I have been an ideal consumer in that I research before I buy and try to make smart decisions. So in this switch to mac I have a much bigger problem buying old technology for current prices even if it really won't affect my usage of that technology. I would rather wait for an update and either buy the newest product at the (most likely) same price or be able to buy the older technology at a discount (and rightly so). I would imagine sometime this month we'll see something but who knows really.
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exactly, i've learned in the past research before you buy. That's why we're all sitting here waiting.:)
 
iBorg20181 said:
Exactly why not releasing C2D units very soon does hurt sales. The previous poster was correct in that a huge majority of buyers are ignorant, and don't research the product they buy. All they know are buzz words and slogans they hear on TV, and when they go to Best Buy or CompUSA, they want "the fastest processor on the planet, the C2D," and when they ask the salesman they're told "Apple doesn't offer that, they use they 'old' processor ... but over here (pointing to the Sonys, HPs and Acers) you can have your choice of size, color and options in C2D units!"

Tell me which brand the uninformed buyer is going to choose? Not going to get many "switchers" to Apple notebooks. It's an uphill battle to pitch Mac sales to a PC world with Apple using the same "modern, fastest in the world" processors. Without them, almost impossible.

:mad:

iBorg
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i know how to solve your uninformed buyer question/switcher. It's called Mac Os X. Thats why people buy apple computers, but even the processor doesn't distinguish a pc from a mac. would you rather have viruses and an incremental 10% speed increase, not to mention most of the processors out there are on the lower end like 2.0ghz. so most of us want 2.33ghz, they're scarce, sources say. If you need a computer now and your the consumer and you analyze your situation and you want to switch where do you go. different named processor + windows or core duo + mac os x.

easy for me to answer. I'd choose mac os x over any core 2 duo pc.

But why i'm waiting is because i don't need it right now.

That said, if you need it now, get a mac, not a pc.
 
maverick808 said:
Well, I don't know for sure either, but my suspicion is that if a buyer goes into Best Buy and sees one display that says "Core Duo", and another display across the aisle that reads "Core 2 Duo", they'll go for the C2D.
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But Macs are not sold at BestBuy/Circuit city. So the casual buyer cannot really compare it side by side except on the internet.
I heard they were planning to come up with the program again, but with the phenomenal success of the Apple retail store, i doubt if Apple will do so!
 
prady16 said:
But Macs are not sold at BestBuy/Circuit city.
I heard they were planning to come up with the program again, but with the phenomenal success of the Apple retail store, i doubt if Apple will do so!
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I don't know about nationwide or in Canada, but the only major retailer around here that sells Mac systems is CompUSA. Other than that, it's the Apple Store, of which there's two within 20 miles of me, or online. There's always the smaller independent dealers, but I think most of them have had to specialize and sell as an Apple VAR, offering turn-key hardware/software solutions along with the Apple hardware.
 
Hey y'all, first time poster, long time lurker.

I've been pondering my upgrade options for whenever the mMPB's get updated, and I was hoping for some advice. Assuming Apple sticks with the same memory set up, would it be better to upgrade through them to 2GB; buy the machine stock, buy a matched 2x1GB, and sell the one that comes with the machine, or just buy a single 1GB?

Btw, thanks for all the other great news and insight.
 
macman2790 said:
If you need a computer now and your the consumer and you analyze your situation and you want to switch where do you go. different named processor + windows or core duo + mac os x.

easy for me to answer. I'd choose mac os x over any core 2 duo pc.
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Well...I'd choose OS X, and you'd choose OS X, but I'm not sure what a switcher would do. You have to have used OS X to love it. Switchers...they're used to Windows :eek:. Don't know if they'd be enlightened enough to realize the difference.
 
shadowlander said:
Well...I'd choose OS X, and you'd choose OS X, but I'm not sure what a switcher would do. You have to have used OS X to love it. Switchers...they're used to Windows :eek:. Don't know if they'd be enlightened enough to realize the difference.
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Quoted for truth.

Switchers are just going to look at the MBP and figure that Macs are not only more expensive, but slower as well.
 
shadowlander said:
Well...I'd choose OS X, and you'd choose OS X, but I'm not sure what a switcher would do. You have to have used OS X to love it. Switchers...they're used to Windows :eek:. Don't know if they'd be enlightened enough to realize the difference.
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They would definitely appreciate OS X. In fact, they are switchers because they WANT to switch to OS X instead of being stuck with Windoze. The bottomline is that if an upgrade is not near and if the switcher gets a decent deal on a MB, (s)he would switch!
 
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