Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?

[ergle2]

Here's to Hector Ruiz...keep dreaming buddy!

The day AMD can give better R&D support than Intel while offering a better product road map, that may be the time but not in the foreseeable future.

To further explain this, AMD have trouble developing chip sets for their own processors, so why would they think they had a chance to help develop others?

AMD is in the process of buying ATI, who supplies most/all of the chipsets for current AMD-powered laptops.

Presumably this is - at least in part - to be able to better compete with Intel on the "complete platform" front.

I wasn't aware of AMD having trouble developing chipsets per-se -- in the past they supplied them initially until the third party markets got decent support out there, then dropped them. I think due to AMD's limited fab capacity and limited development resources they preferred to concentrate on other areas, but this is purely opinion.

The real issue I see is they will still have fairly limited fab capacity.

Well, that and for the moment, Intel's Core-2 line of processors are better performers.

Given the K9/K10 designs were dropped a while back and all that's been announced is K8L - an evolutionary design based on a "wider" K8, it remains to be seen what else they'll come out with.

I figure Apple may at some point go AMD but I can't see it being any time soon. With in a decade, perahps...

 

[rowdy268]

Details would be nice!!!

Inside word is next tuesday...;-)

Can you give us any other details and how do you know?

 

[HecubusPro]

Can you give us any other details and how do you know?

I think he's just playing, hence the " " in his message.

All of us who want the MBP with C2D are pretty much anticipating (hoping) that the Photokina event next week will see the release of the updated MBP. We're holding our collective breath.

 

[Apple Corps]

My flawed strategy :-0

If no revised MBP arrives at Photokina I decided I would buy a MB until the revised MBP finally arrives. The MB has been hit with random shutdown problems and even the newly designed MB mlb has not yet corrected the issue -

So - it now appears that I may just go MBP (Yonah or Merom based) and take my chances that most of the issues are worked out.

Like many of you this has consumed way too much time - 88 hours or so to go - and counting and waiting and counting and waiting.

 

[robotx21]

I think he's just playing, hence the " " in his message.

All of us who want the MBP with C2D are pretty much anticipating (hoping) that the Photokina event next week will see the release of the updated MBP. We're holding our collective breath.

I am not playing. No details yet, but 26th is the date to be. I can't give any proof obviously, but for people whom are on the fence right now and are thinking about not waiting for the 26th, this information is helpful. Everybody rejoice

 

[HecubusPro]

I am not playing. No details yet, but 26th is the date to be. I can't give any proof obviously, but for people whom are on the fence right now and are thinking about not waiting for the 26th, this information is helpful. Everybody rejoice

How is the information helpful if you don't back it up with anything? Almost everyone on this thread knows we're waiting for Photokina--Monday or Tuesday--to find out something. You're not saying anything new if all you say is "next Tuesday."

 

[robotx21]

let's just say a worker at a retail store asked some questions...and the only response is don't buy now, wait for 26th, updates are coming. He also said supplies for mbp's are getting low. I don't know if mb's are getting updated though

 

[Pressure]

AMD is in the process of buying ATI, who supplies most/all of the chipsets for current AMD-powered laptops.

Presumably this is - at least in part - to be able to better compete with Intel on the "complete platform" front.

I wasn't aware of AMD having trouble developing chipsets per-se -- in the past they supplied them initially until the third party markets got decent support out there, then dropped them. I think due to AMD's limited fab capacity and limited development resources they preferred to concentrate on other areas, but this is purely opinion.

The real issue I see is they will still have fairly limited fab capacity.

Well, that and for the moment, Intel's Core-2 line of processors are better performers.

Given the K9/K10 designs were dropped a while back and all that's been announced is K8L - an evolutionary design based on a "wider" K8, it remains to be seen what else they'll come out with.

I figure Apple may at some point go AMD but I can't see it being any time soon. With in a decade, perahps...

O RLY?! Sorry, not meaning to be an arse

AMD and ATI are separate companies until they merge in 2008. Right now ATI is just, more or less, owned by AMD.

Intel probably has the largest R&D group in the world and can give wide support to everyone who needs (especially if you are a client like Apple).

Right now I am not all that impressed with AMD. They struggle to upgrade their facilities to 65nm (lack of funds) and are having problems with their conversion to 65nm in general. First later this year will we see K8 based on their 65nm fabrication process, which in my book, is too little too late.
Yes, they do have SOI but what stops Intel from implementing it down the road?

The only one standing to loose from all of this is NVIDIA. AMD doesn't need them, Intel doesn't need them.

Also as you point out, AMD have a problem supplying the world with their processors and that is simply not good enough for a company like Apple.

 

[sgbingham]

HD home video editing - Should I still wait Merom in the MBP

I do home DVDs and started recording in HD on a Sony home video recorder. I have postponed buying a PC to capture and edit, because I was waiting for the updated MBP and I like the idea of editing anywhere in the house. I know there won't be an HD DVD burner for while and even then for me it will be external, but I figure capturing and editing in HD is a good step for the future.

Is there any big advantage to waiting for Merom or even reconsidering a good PC laptop? Is there any big disadvantage for a notebook? Looking any comments from the experienced out there! Thanks.

 

[generik]

I do home DVDs and started recording in HD on a Sony home video recorder. I have postponed buying a PC to capture and edit, because I was waiting for the updated MBP and I like the idea of editing anywhere in the house. I know there won't be an HD DVD burner for while and even then for me it will be external, but I figure capturing and editing in HD is a good step for the future.

Is there any big advantage to waiting for Merom or even reconsidering a good PC laptop? Is there any big disadvantage for a notebook? Looking any comments from the experienced out there! Thanks.

Can't you wait one more week?

 

[robotx21]

I do home DVDs and started recording in HD on a Sony home video recorder. I have postponed buying a PC to capture and edit, because I was waiting for the updated MBP and I like the idea of editing anywhere in the house. I know there won't be an HD DVD burner for while and even then for me it will be external, but I figure capturing and editing in HD is a good step for the future.

Is there any big advantage to waiting for Merom or even reconsidering a good PC laptop? Is there any big disadvantage for a notebook? Looking any comments from the experienced out there! Thanks.

For consumer or prosumer HD editing, a notebook is fine now. It can handle whatever you give it, unless it's uncompressed 10-bit HD...then you might run into problems. Just wait until the 26th to order.

 

[ergle2]

O RLY?! Sorry, not meaning to be an arse

AMD and ATI are separate companies until they merge in 2008. Right now ATI is just, more or less, owned by AMD.

Intel probably has the largest R&D group in the world and can give wide support to everyone who needs (especially if you are a client like Apple).

Right now, Apple's looking -- from a hardware perspective -- like any other PC manufacturer. HP/Compaq's been selling AMD systems for some time now, and Dell's just started. I think AMD's capable.

Right now I am not all that impressed with AMD. They struggle to upgrade their facilities to 65nm (lack of funds) and are having problems with their conversion to 65nm in general. First later this year will we see K8 based on their 65nm fabrication process, which in my book, is too little too late.
Yes, they do have SOI but what stops Intel from implementing it down the road?

Yeah, AMD's had a poor year, but they've just come out of a very strong period -- the K8 was on technical merits better in most areas than NetBurst by a significant margin.

It's true AMD's always played catchup to Intel on fabrication tho'. Still, the K8 design's been a very strong one as evidenced by just how long it's lasted. I'll forestall judgement on K8L until at least engineering samples show up.

SOI down the road is a little like 65nm down the road...

The only one standing to loose from all of this is NVIDIA. AMD doesn't need them, Intel doesn't need them.

Right now, Intel needs nVidia for any market that needs performance graphics. In 18 months time, maybe not so much...

Also as you point out, AMD have a problem supplying the world with their processors and that is simply not good enough for a company like Apple.

Indeed. That's why I said it wasn't a near-future thing.

However, AMD's just started selling to Dell. They're going to get a lot of sales there so long as they can compete on price with Intel and still turn a profit, and I think they can -- after all, Dell's been huge selling the Pentium 4 and Celeron for years...

We want AMD to be competitive -- it pushes Intel to keep moving forward.

 

[sgbingham]

Best way to Order MBP

I live in Japan, but will be in the US for two weeks from Sept 29 to Oct 14. Is there any benefit to buying in the US (besides the cost), and what's the most sure way to get one during my trip (on-line or Apple Store). Thanks.

 

[tekmoe]

mr. robotx, why tuesday and not monday? both macosxrumors and macshrine insist the new mbp's will be revealed at photokina. if your sources are saying tuesday, it sounds like a silent update. hmmmm...interesting.

 

[robotx21]

mr. robotx, why tuesday and not monday? both macosxrumors and macshrine insist the new mbp's will be revealed at photokina. if your sources are saying tuesday, it sounds like a silent update. hmmmm...interesting.

It may be announced monday, but won't be able to purchase from apple retail stores until the next day. The "guy" just said "wait for tuesday. That's when updates are coming" (estimated quote)

 

[tekmoe]

It may be announced monday, but won't be able to purchase from apple retail stores until the next day. The "guy" just said "wait for tuesday. That's when updates are coming" (estimated quote)

nice. hoping it's mbp's and not new isights or cinema displays...

 

[HecubusPro]

nice. hoping it's mbp's and not new isights or cinema displays...

Heck. All of it would be nice. But MBP, and I'll be okay. Either that, or the waiting game continues, in which case, I won't be okay. I'll be .

 

[barkins]

If they don't release the new MacBook Pros on Sept. 25th, I may go crazy.

I badly want to switch over to a Mac and kick my PC to the curb.

After using my sister's PowerBook on a business trip for a week, I got hooked!

Coming back to my PC at home was like coming back to a typewriter with an LCD screen.

 

[HecubusPro]

If they don't release the new MacBook Pros on Sept. 25th, I may go crazy.

I badly want to switch over to a Mac and kick my PC to the curb.

After using my sister's PowerBook on a business trip for a week, I got hooked!

Coming back to my PC at home was like coming back to a typewriter with an LCD screen.

It really is amazing how different, and actually how fun, using a mac is. That's one thing PC only users don't understand. Macs are fun to use. I can't wait to get the C2D MBP. This will be my third mac computer and I'm looking forward to it.

 

[tekmoe]

Heck. All of it would be nice. But MBP, and I'll be okay. Either that, or the waiting game continues, in which case, I won't be okay. I'll be .

hecubus, i don't think we have anything to worry about at this point. the stars are aligning. robotx has been a member since '03 and i don't think he would post BS. also, like i have been saying in every other post of mine, macosxrumors does not post BS either, ESPECIALLY when it is their own information they are telling about. they seem very confident monday is the day and i am right behind them on that. macosxrumors is usually spot on so the chances are pretty darn high for a new mbp on monday. i just hope i can walk into the store on monday and buy one instead of having to wait until tuesday like what robotx said. 24 more hours after knowing they have already been released is REALLY gonna hurt.

 

[barkins]

24 more hours after knowing they have already been released is REALLY gonna hurt.

Hey I'm with you. Those 24 hours will be the most excruciating hours of my life (well not really).

 

[HecubusPro]

hecubus, i don't think we have anything to worry about at this point. the stars are aligning. robotx has been a member since '03 and i don't think he would post BS. also, like i have been saying in every other post of mine, macosxrumors does not post BS either, ESPECIALLY when it is their own information they are telling about. they seem very confident monday is the day and i am right behind them on that. macosxrumors is usually spot on so the chances are pretty darn high for a new mbp on monday. i just hope i can walk into the store on monday and buy one instead of having to wait until tuesday like what robotx said. 24 more hours after knowing they have already been released is REALLY gonna hurt.

Even knowing on Monday that I could go in Tuesday and get a new MBP would be awesome. I guess I'm just trying to keep my expectations lowered so I'm not too terribly disappointed if they don't announce the MBP at Photokina. When they do announce them, I'll be pleasantly surprised (actually I'll be exstatic.)

I predicted the 19th for various reasons. I was wrong. Here's hoping everyone else is right.

 

[robotx21]

Just so I am not misinterpretid...the guy said wait for Tuesday. So that COULD mean NO MBP'S are announced MONDAY, but announced TUESDAY! Then again it COULD be announced monday. Either way, come tuesday, you will be able to buy Macbook Pro's immediately that day or within a few days after, either online or retail.

 

[tekmoe]

yeah, my expectations are a bit higher than i would like them to be right now. just makes it all the merrier when the mbp's are finally released with c2d. hehehehe

 

[EddieT]

I live in Japan, but will be in the US for two weeks from Sept 29 to Oct 14. Is there any benefit to buying in the US (besides the cost), and what's the most sure way to get one during my trip (on-line or Apple Store). Thanks.

I also live in Japan. I will be buying a MBP as soon as they are updated, and I think it is better to buy one here for two reasons.

1. the Japanese keyboard. Maybe you work in Japanese a little, or maybe you will in the future. At any rate, for me anyway, there is a benefit to having a Japanese keyboard, and no real downside when it comes to working in English.

2. I figure it is best to buy one where you live, in case there are any problems. I would think it would be easier dealing with such problems directly with the people that sell you the machine.

Also, is there really such a big price difference? Seems to me to be pretty comparable, no? I haven't actually run the numbers recently, but there doesn't seem to be a big difference.