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Apple Corps said:
No one knows if this is the case for the portables though. The armchair experts on this forum will tell you how "easy" of an upgrade it is, but when it comes down to it, they're just spouting off the same garbage that they've been posting since it was "G5 PowerBooks next Tuesday!!!"
You have to consider that Apple is a fairly small company in the grand scheme of things with a small userbase. It wouldn't surprise me if they skip the Core 2 Duo chips, at the expense of losing a small handful of sales to angry internet e-tards to save the R&D costs until there's a chip upgrade worth worrying about.
Am I the only one who saw the iMac benchmarks between the Core Duo and Core 2 Duo? The differences were NOT enough to get upset over.
io_burn said:
This kind of statement is just as "e-tarded" as saying "G5 powerbooks next Tuesday!" For those who're coming from core duo machines, you're right. It's not that significant. It doesn't take an "e-tard" to know that. But how many people are going to buy core 2 duo after having recently bought core duo? Not many, unless they're rich or stupid. But for people who're coming from machines that are several years old, the difference is quite significant for us. The mantra remains true--we want the most bang for our buck which is why we're waiting.
Well, then you should wait for Santa Rosa if you're looking for the "best bang for your buck," as Core 2 Duo is not it.
You missunderstood my posting or I did not express myself clear enough - English is not my native language.io_burn said:Incapable of satisfying whose demand? Whiners on the internet?
I have friends who work at the local Apple store who are constantly talking about how they can barely keep their laptops in stock they sell so fast. I think everyone here underestimates the small minority the people who actually get upset over things like this.
95% of Apple customers: "Oh cool, the iBook has a camera now? I have to get one of those."
The other 5%- complaining blogosphere forumite circle jerkers: "ARGH!!! GREEDY OLD PAPA $TEVE JOB$ I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS! WHERE IS MY MEROM!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. I AM DISPATCHING AN EMAIL AT ONCE TO STEVE@APPLE.COM EXPLAINING THAT HIS COMPANY IS ON THE BRINK OF COMPLETE FAILURE BECAUSE HE CANNOT MEET MY PRODUCT DEMANDS. I NEED MY 10% PERFORMANCE INCREASE OFFERED BY MEROM. ARRRGGHHH I AM SO ANGRY.
I ment Apples ability to satisfy the demand for MacBooks in general (Yonah), not the particular demand of forum members for Merom equipped MB(P)s.
io_burn said:
Your friends are wrong! its more like 99%...
And yes, MOST of apples user base refers to them as Powerbooks and iBooks. And when they want a machine, they will go buy it. Most people dont care about merom or yohan or santa rosa or the FSB.
HP and Dell show ship dates of Core2Duo machines around Oct 6-11. So, if we dont see machines appear within the next 2 weeks, I would stop holding your breath.
And I tend to believe what applecorps is saying about return on investment. if we see a core2duo upgrade at all, its going to be a very minor one. No major case revisions, etc. Ill say it again, the Macbook Pro IS a BRAND NEW design as of the beginning of this year, even if it looks similar to the machines before it.
When santarosa comes out, and other aspects of the architecture are radically different, I think we can expect some visually different and new machines. Hell, the processor, and the energy it uses, are not really the performance enemies right now. Hard drive, battery use from the drive and other peripherals, are the enemy of speed, heat, battery life.
Is it worth the wait...
Hey,
I've gotten myself caught up in this whole C2D waiting craze...but I'm wondering if it's worth the wait (for me at least).
I'm switching over from a older 1.8Ghz Pentium M Dell Latitude notebook with 1G ram. I use photoshop a bunch, illustrator, etc...and I'd like to start messing around with film editing and music recording too.
From what everybody seems to say here, speed wise the C2D offers only a modest (20% or so) improvement over the older chipset. So I'm thinking that might not be worth the wait. Compared to my Dell I'll probably be in heaven even with the slowest dual core config (and running photoshop through rosetta).
But if I order a 15" MacBook Pro today are there still issues I would have to worry about that might be cleared up in the next update, or are the latest MacBook Pro's being shipped fine?
For the record, I'd probably go with the 15" MBP 2.16Ghz 2Ghz Ram 100GB 7200rpm drive.
Oh, one last question - could I have a larger drive installed in the MBP - like a 120 or 160GB 7200 drive. Is that possible?
Thanks.
Hey,
I've gotten myself caught up in this whole C2D waiting craze...but I'm wondering if it's worth the wait (for me at least).
I'm switching over from a older 1.8Ghz Pentium M Dell Latitude notebook with 1G ram. I use photoshop a bunch, illustrator, etc...and I'd like to start messing around with film editing and music recording too.
From what everybody seems to say here, speed wise the C2D offers only a modest (20% or so) improvement over the older chipset. So I'm thinking that might not be worth the wait. Compared to my Dell I'll probably be in heaven even with the slowest dual core config (and running photoshop through rosetta).
But if I order a 15" MacBook Pro today are there still issues I would have to worry about that might be cleared up in the next update, or are the latest MacBook Pro's being shipped fine?
For the record, I'd probably go with the 15" MBP 2.16Ghz 2Ghz Ram 100GB 7200rpm drive.
Oh, one last question - could I have a larger drive installed in the MBP - like a 120 or 160GB 7200 drive. Is that possible?
Thanks.
2GHz Merom MacBook Update Suddenly Looking More Likely Than MBP Update Today
This is all just reading tea leaves guys and gals. I'm just as clueless as anyone else here.
Yes. Well given the extreme pessimism expressed in Sopranino's Post #546 on page 22 - Welcome to the speculation zoo Sopranino - plus your info, a 2GHz Merom-Processor-Only upgrade for MacBook is suddenly looking more likely than the MBP upgrade right now. Wouldn't that be ironic?!Major Kong said:
This is all just reading tea leaves guys and gals. I'm just as clueless as anyone else here.
Err 'io_burn' was giving you an apology...that's a kind way to say it.io_burn said:Ahh, apologies.Major Kong said:
Maybe you should refine your English a bit further and stop giving him (io_burn) a hard time. He gave you an apology so shouldn't you be happy that you've made your point from your previous posts? I would..
Santa Rosa Will Make Almost No Difference
Personally, I have a hard time believing Apple is going to keep shipping Yonah MBPs for another 7 months while the iMac is already C2D. Makes no sense to me - especially in light of the fact that it can simply replace Yonah in the assembly line at the very least.
I still believe in a redesign for better cooling and a HD Bay soon with a C2D upgrade in the next month. But it's not like I have a clue.
Santa Rosa will not be a significant change from what Apple can do by simply putting Merom in the Yonah sockets or non-sockets in this case. From what I have read posted by experts here, it will make almost no difference to your computing experience. So waiting for Santa Rosa is definitely not worth it unless Apple decides to wait for it before it changes the MBP from its current Yonah config.io_burn said:
Personally, I have a hard time believing Apple is going to keep shipping Yonah MBPs for another 7 months while the iMac is already C2D. Makes no sense to me - especially in light of the fact that it can simply replace Yonah in the assembly line at the very least.
I still believe in a redesign for better cooling and a HD Bay soon with a C2D upgrade in the next month. But it's not like I have a clue.
Indeed, the Santa Rosa isn't worth waiting. I also had in mind of waiting for Santa Rosa but I decided not to. Santa Rosa = 802.11n card + 800MHz FSB. However, I don't expect 802.11n standard ratified soon and I could care less for the little speed compared to the C2D benefits that are coming out.Multimedia said:
Then again with a late launch date Apple is setting for the C2D in MB/MBPs, I'm a bit worried something awesome is going to be released at MWSF 2007 (like always).
HecubusPro said:
Welllllll...there *might* be a third option. Some may have found a real need for a 17" notebook since the purchase of a 15" MBP and before trading, prefer to wait for the latest 17" MBP.
scott523 said:
I thought there was much more to Santa Rosa then what you are mentioning here. What about the virtualization tech? Innovations for IT departments?
io_burn said:
Since you're so intent on keeping up with why I and many others are waiting for core 2 duo (even though I and those same people have been repeating our reasons ad nauseam in these threads), and since it obviously means so much to you, I'll break down and give you yet another reason.
Why am I waiting for core 2 duo.
Because.
Sweet deal. I'll upgrade to one too, but in the meantime I've been enjoying my Core Duo MacBook Pro for... months? What do you use your computer for that the 10% performance increase is that big of a deal to you? Do you do a lot of 3D rendering on the road?
Selling A Yonah MBP To Get Merom Is Not That Difficult
Selling the Mac you have to get the next one is really not that difficult if you focus. You will get most of your money out of it making the move to Merom only a few hundred dollars.HecubusPro said:
Multimedia said:
That's exactly what I do. It costs me a few hundred dollars with each revision to remain bleeding edge with all my Apple equipment. Over time I've spent almost the same amount of money I would have if I bought a computer, used it for 3 years, then scrapped it for parts and buy a new one.
io_burn said:
Your tunnel-vision of MBP buyers keeps you from seeing the frustration that many of us have here! It sounds as though you upgrade to a new computer for s**** & giggles, every time a new product debuts ("...just for the sake of upgrading"). Most people upgrade when the new product's features, speed and conveniences make a difference. "Whiners" and "internet retards?" LOL! Unless Apple's marketing people are "retards," they'd instead see "knowledgable buyers" and "potential customers" - unless current 3% market share is their ultimate goal.
I upgrade notebooks about every 3 years (although I'm going on 4 years with my TiBook), and would have bought a MBP when they arrived last January. The deal-breaker for me was the lack of DL DVD-burning, with a slow 4x DVD-R - downgrades from the previous TiBook! Added to that was the soon-to-arrive Merom, giving me 64-bit capability for OS 10.5 and beyond. I don't give a rat's a** that the current OS is 32-bit ... I want some "future-proofing" when I spend $3k for a new notebook, since I'm not going to trade-up for glorious Santa Rosa next spring, just to be trendy! I'll keep, and use, my Merom MBP for a few years!
If you think this is "whining," (im)patiently waiting for Merom, and some feature upgrades (e.g. DVD-burning), then you're either blind, a fanatical "Apple Fan Boy®" who worships at the altar of his Stevesness, or one of those people who doesn't want to see others buy a product that outdates your "bleeding edge" Mac.
In the "bad old days," when Apple had to rely upon Moto, and then IBM, to (fail to) deliver the goods on decent notebook processors, we were totally kept in the dark, without any way to guage whether or not a new product was on the horizon. But it's no longer a matter of "trusting Apple" to give us the best available product - they're using the same damn parts as everyone else, and we see C2D shipping for everyone else's notebooks, except for Apple, and it's frustrating as hell! Sheesh! If Apple could even give a product announcement that "shipment for Merom MBP's will begin (fill in the date)", essentially the same as the competition is doing, that'd be great!
"Apple Fan Boys®" chastise us saying, "Apple doeesn't want you to know, 'cuz then you won't buy current stock!" Well, knowledgable buyers, like forum posters here, aren't buying now, since Merom is an imminent release. And the vast majority of buyers, uninformed, non-researching buyers, would still buy (and are buying), since they don't, and wouldn't, know better - or they can't wait, and need the product now, so they buy now.
I'm just tired of people p***ing and moaning about "whiners" in this thread! The most obnoxious "whining" is done by those chastising the people posting in this thread, who are mainly using this as a source of information, hoping for some clues to guide them ... and also using each other as an internet "support group" of people with common frustrations!
So, if people are upset by reading posts in this thread ... then kindly stay the hell out of it, and read something else!
(But that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong ..... )
iBorg
io_burn said:
Perhaps only a minority of MBP buyers care about getting the latest chips in their notebook, but how does this pertain to us? Do you expect us, too, to ooh and aww over the built in i-sights?! Are you saying that we should become the majority that you speak of? That isn't likely to happen.
We have legitimate concerns here that Apple isn't matching the competition. We are frustrated, as iBorg20181 explained, and for me it is because I don't want to have to settle for another Windows POS, or is that PC?
If the nature of the updates don't really concern you, then why are you even here? Just wait for Apple to give you an e-mail about the updates.
-Another "retard"