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ergle2 said:Well, on the current MBP, going to 2Gig on the cheapest model adds $500 to the price. I can get 2x1GB (brandname sticks) from a third party for ~$200 and still have the stick that comes in the MBP.
So, $300 + 512MB stick is the difference. I hadn't noticed that the new mini/iMac launch has presaged pricing more in line with the rest of the industry though.
Caveat Emptor, I guess.
I am wondering if it is because Apple's ordering system only updates prices when the product is updated? Hence we will probably see more reasonable upgrade prices come the next Monday... oops, I said it
I think every poster here should read iPodLounge's 10 Rules for Buying Apple Products::
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/ten-rules-for-buying-apple-products
I'm so close to just resolving to getting a MacBook if new ones are not announced on Tuesday or Monday or whatever. The only problem is that I want a Rev.B BlackBook so all the issues with Rev.A are ironed out.
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/ten-rules-for-buying-apple-products
I'm so close to just resolving to getting a MacBook if new ones are not announced on Tuesday or Monday or whatever. The only problem is that I want a Rev.B BlackBook so all the issues with Rev.A are ironed out.
The Rev.B BlackBook Will Be The C2D MacBook
I beleive it's cooler because it gets stuff done faster and then kicks into idle mode - IE cooler.
The Rev.B BlackBook Will Be The C2D MacBook. Plus Merom runs cooler than Yonah anyway so you will just have to wait it out like the rest of us. Figure by Thanksgiving November 23 worst case.jfsouza said:
I'm quoting you and raising you $50.ergle2 said:
I beleive it's cooler because it gets stuff done faster and then kicks into idle mode - IE cooler.generik said:I am wondering if it is because Apple's ordering system only updates prices when the product is updated? Hence we will probably see more reasonable upgrade prices come the next Monday... oops, I said it
Heh.
In the past, Apple's generally had expensive RAM even on day of launch. I think it could signal a new ploy. Of course, the two machines that have shown up with reasonably priced memory thus far are in the consumer line.
I suspect that people buying pro systems are more likely to "just order from one supplier" even when the BTO upgrade prices are significantly different tho' ... esp when it's often not their money they're spending.
I'm not saying they stay as they are now on the MPB but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
Multimedia said:Hang in there. Remember that the Mac you will get can also run Windoze. Why buy a PC that can't run OS X just out of impatience? You can do it. Wait as long as you have to and you will be much happier Poppe.
It's probably going to be next week.
I know... I am waiting till the 26 then I will not be waiting any longer... Its not out of impatience though sadly... Its because class starts september 25th. I can try to hold off and just use the PowerMac's at school to video edit, but I dont know... I know I'd be so happy though for that C2D... Man oh man...
Then I could get Fincal Cut studio and all that Apple-goodness mmmm...
Ok sorry I'm done.
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In other words. I know that all the merom Laptops are out or are starting to ship soon, but What I was thinking sitting here typing on this 2 inch thick Dell, was that could Merom be to hot for the less than 1 inch thin laptop?
I understand there is some debate on the TDP and from what I've seen merom has run at better speeds with same heat but... I was just wondering your guy's thoughts.
poppe said:
From what I've read, etc., it seems likely it's slightly - but not significantly - cooler most of the time. As I said just a couple of posts up, 64bit mode might be hotter... and I guess it's possible heavy SSE could be hotter, given the throughput rate is massively increased now.
poppe said:
Go for it, Poppe. I don't blame you one bit for getting what you need/want. If we're lucky, really lucky, we'll get our wish on Monday/Tuesday. I'm keeping my excitement in check because even though many are confident that this next week will be the week, I'm not so sure. Either way, the MBP as it is, is a great system, and will be useful for years to come.
Has there been any rumors lately predicting new dates for the Merom MBP? I know Appleinsider and Macrumors have had neither... Well tha is, that I have saw.
Reach said:Im still pinning my hopes to macscoop's (Macosxrumors) article claiming tomorrow, monday.. Please let that come through.
I have already paid off the balances on one card to get it ready for Monday! Anyway apparently in the UK the fulfilment times for the MBP has been extended to 5 days.
generik said:
4-6 day wait on the macbook line in Australian Store.
Ive had in mind buying a mac notebook since the last G4 powerbook update then decided to wait for the intel inside, then got sidetracked and bought a car. Now finally I have the dollars and think a 2.0ghz white macbook with core duo2 will be fantastic as an introduction to owning a mac. (I have not had a mac since I owned a powermac way back i think it was an LE2 or some such model that ran os9.)
I would prefer the black macbook but figure just get the white with no upgrades and student discount applied, pull out the 5400 60gb HD to replace with 100GB 7200rpm and pull out and throw away the 2 sticks of 256 Ram and put in 2GB's.
ITs great to be able to upgrade yourself as I can get these items a great deal cheaper elsewhere.
Beautiful cant wait. Hopefully this week sometime....
Still 24hr shipping on the MBP's tho!
AidenShaw said:And why not copy the drivers to a USB thumb drive, and install them from that?
Seriously, though, for any Windows laptop you'll find that there are a number of drivers and utilities that only the manufacturer provides. Dell is in fact very good at helping you get the complete set of necessary tools.
When I want to build a completely clean Dell system (laptop or workstation), I'll
- Find the 7 character "service tag" number on the back or bottom of the unit
- Go to support.dell.com, go to download drivers, enter the service tag in the box, "Go"
- Select my operating system, "Go"
- I'm now at a page that lists all of the files for that particular model and revision
- Download all the relevant drivers, firmware, utilities (I'd never even look at the Dell CD - it almost certainly is out-of-date)
- Oviously, don't download the Google adware and other crap
- Copy the files to a USB drive or burn them to a CD
- Install the vanilla XP SP2 merge (one from Microsoft, not Dell), or the Dell OEM CD (OS-only)
- Then apply all the updates from the USB drive
No need to call support....
Aiden... you amaze me. That's what is necessary to get your dell up and running ?? The list you gave is insane. Sorry, it's fine for geeks, but nonsense for people who buy a new computer and want to *use* it right away.
I just spent a weekend with my parents transferring files from an aging wintel box to their new C2D iMac. They *love* the new machine, btw.
They could have never gotten all their files off the old one without my help. Installing a driver for the USB flash drive took me nearly half an hour. Why does it come as three files ?
The upshot was my parents stood in literal amazement at the ease with which things worked on the iMac. Printer - plug in - done. USB drive - plug in - done. Camera - plug in - done.
Within minutes of sitting down in iPhoto my stepdad had started organising his photos and had a huge smile on his face.
And I love your last bullett point - as it is actually a bunch of steps hidden in a single line...
laters,
S.
svenas1 said:
No, those aren't the steps one needs to take to get a Dell up and running. If you buy a Dell and are one of the non-geeky sorts, you turn it on and enter your info and use it same as you do with a Mac.
The series of steps listed above are for the geeky sorts who like to reinstall the OS and get rid of any of the software Dell installs by default.
direzz said:
I don't think it's a joke. I think we're realistically looking at MBP's being updated with core 2 duo in the next week (hopefully) to mid-October. Macbooks could conceivably be updated around thanksgiving to allow for the Christmas rush. Apple may want to differentiate their to notebook lines by a small timeframe, or there may just not be enough merom chips to go around. If you've seen the Buyer's Guide on this site, you'll see that the MBP has gone the longest without an update.
We'll see though. First tomorrow or Tuesday for possible MBP updates, then who knows.
Over the last 6 weeks or so I have spent more time than I would want to admit following the Rev B MBP release saga. I've been able to hold off on the purchase until now - but this week is it for me (well, at least 99.99% it).
I do have this sick feeling that we may not see a true Rev B this week. So a purchase of the old Yonah based MBP might take place KNOWING that Rev B is soon but I can't wait forever. My purchase will guarantee all of you a Rev B option 16 days after that purchase is concluded
Merom sounds "ok" - but I am most interested in a better gpu, lower operating temps, improved Airport reception, other known bugs worked out, and a fast swap hard drive bay. The magnetic closure would be a plus. We are all hoping that no significant NEW PROBLEMS are introduced.
So, if this week / Photokina is a bust, I'll be But, I'll also be because of all the time I've spent obsessing on this decision KNOWING that in the near future........
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I do have this sick feeling that we may not see a true Rev B this week. So a purchase of the old Yonah based MBP might take place KNOWING that Rev B is soon but I can't wait forever. My purchase will guarantee all of you a Rev B option 16 days after that purchase is concluded
Merom sounds "ok" - but I am most interested in a better gpu, lower operating temps, improved Airport reception, other known bugs worked out, and a fast swap hard drive bay. The magnetic closure would be a plus. We are all hoping that no significant NEW PROBLEMS are introduced.
So, if this week / Photokina is a bust, I'll be
But, I'll also be because of all the time I've spent obsessing on this decision KNOWING that in the near future........ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I too have spent a ******** of time trying to evaluate when to buy, in my case, a MacBook, but the numbers aren't on my side for this catastrophic time wasting to end at today's event, and rather than pleasantly suprise us Apple is very much predictable company of late.
Mybe I'll be forced to buy a Pro, in which case I'll loose vast amounts of money iwas saving to travel. Or maybe I'll have to buy a current spec MacBook, in which case I'll have a computer incapable of handling some of my prosumer needs.
Or maybe Apple will do the right thing and at least announce a date for the MB, so that the currently immense crowd of people, like me, waiting for an update, don't have to waste so much time and potentially make large financial errors by "predicting".
EDIT: Give it lots of baseline ram, a 100gb or more HD and a better graphics card with at least 256mb vram as standard on the entry model and I'll buy a Pro. £1399 should be able to buy that machine... but this is Apple.
Mybe I'll be forced to buy a Pro, in which case I'll loose vast amounts of money iwas saving to travel. Or maybe I'll have to buy a current spec MacBook, in which case I'll have a computer incapable of handling some of my prosumer needs.
Or maybe Apple will do the right thing and at least announce a date for the MB, so that the currently immense crowd of people, like me, waiting for an update, don't have to waste so much time and potentially make large financial errors by "predicting".
EDIT: Give it lots of baseline ram, a 100gb or more HD and a better graphics card with at least 256mb vram as standard on the entry model and I'll buy a Pro. £1399 should be able to buy that machine... but this is Apple.
Only 1 More Hour Until The Photokina Cologne Germany Aperture Event
Only 1 More Hour Until The Photokina Cologne Germany Aperture Event. Some think this will be the C2D MBP release event as well.
Event underway with none of the Stores down yet.
Only 1 More Hour Until The Photokina Cologne Germany Aperture Event. Some think this will be the C2D MBP release event as well.
Event underway with none of the Stores down yet.
Hehe, looks like we're back to this thread now that the Rev B for MB/Ps didn't occur at photokina.
scott523 said:Hehe, looks like we're back to this thread now that the Rev B for MB/Ps didn't occur at photokina.
Yup. This looks to be the place to continue the discussion from the Photokina thread.
I don't see any MBP updates happening this week during photokina. Though sometime between now and mid to late October would be a good, conservative estimate. Just before Thanksgiving? I doubt it'll be that late, but I could be wrong. I wasn't wrong about today though unfortunately, and I'm betting I won't be wrong about this week as well.
no biggy
The fact that it was an event aimed at aperture and the photography world, i'm not surprised at all that hardware updates weren't incorporated into it...
I'm waiting for iLife '07 in January: bugs in the current line of notebooks will (hopefully) be worked out, new chip will DEFINITELY be in them, and I'll have enough time to save for it
C2D at the intel conference!
w00t
The fact that it was an event aimed at aperture and the photography world, i'm not surprised at all that hardware updates weren't incorporated into it...
I'm waiting for iLife '07 in January: bugs in the current line of notebooks will (hopefully) be worked out, new chip will DEFINITELY be in them, and I'll have enough time to save for it
C2D at the intel conference!
w00t