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Another thing to note about the comments from Intel. Why would they really need to be involved much if it was simply dropping a new chip in the current model? Could they be using a new motherboard/chipset for the new MBP's?

Perhaps FW800 or pre-802.11n (like what is found in the iMacs). Maybe they needed Intel's help to switch from ATI to nVidia for the GPU?


MacinDoc said:
I wouldn't use the expression "just gotten it done" about a product that was introduced 7 months ago (meaning it was finished 8-9 months ago). And since Intel likely had a hand in the MacBooks, and as James just pointed out, the Mac Pros, which were more recent than the MPBs, and this quotation specifically refers to MBPs, I suspect that this is a slip that indicates that the MBPs are indeed ready to go when, as another AI article suggested, Apple Marketing sees fit to pull the trigger. Let's hope for the sanity of those stragglers still on the Photokina thread that it happens soon!
 
the guy at my local apple store basically said it was a supply/demand issue concerning C2D updated in the MB/MBP range
 
MacinDoc said:
I wouldn't use the expression "just gotten it done" about a product that was introduced 7 months ago (meaning it was finished 8-9 months ago). And since Intel likely had a hand in the MacBooks, and as James just pointed out, the Mac Pros, which were more recent than the MPBs, and this quotation specifically refers to MBPs, I suspect that this is a slip that indicates that the MBPs are indeed ready to go when, as another AI article suggested, Apple Marketing sees fit to pull the trigger. Let's hope for the sanity of those stragglers still on the Photokina thread that it happens soon!

I don't know if it was necessarily a slip, and "just gotten it done" means that. Not saying they didn't have a hand in the previous, but we're on the verge of something being done to the MBP/MB lines so it could very well be an accurate account.

Not saying "just" means like yesterday, but in the last couple of months.


Here's something to ponder though... would Intel really need to be involved if it were just a simple processor swap? Not to mention I don't think even if there were some involvement (mainly for benchmarks?) that it would be worthy of mentioning in compared to other recent completions.

That being the case, could there be more to it than a simple processor swap?

Or does it go a little deeper and perhaps he wasn't talking about what we think is coming any time mow. Maybe it was the engineering and design of the "supposed" launch of a redesign in 07?

Granted Apple is very secretive, but what about the outside chance the blow off SR, and "think different"? Same chips, different platform. One that is "Made for OS X". OK, maybe it's slim, but the possibilities of what Apple will do makes my mind wonder a bit.
 
barkins said:
I don't think we'll be seeing any new laptops before Oct. 7th, mainly because the UK student discount promotion won't end till then.

This is a time where Apple needs to sell their remaining CD MacBooks, before releasing anything new.


I am just entering my final year studying animation in UK. Today i was in the electronics store in the city centre and i saw at least three people buying macbooks and one buying the last display macbook pro!! I know it was the last one because they were packing it up from the shop floor!

This must be a good thing as i know that today was the day when most students in Scotland recieve their financial support cheques so out they go spending on new laptops.... ..macs at that!

Hopefully this surge in spending in the uk will take care of the remaining stocks of Core Duo laptops and apple will hopefully announce/release new C2D models sometime in the next week or two!!!
 
Hmm... lots of good news. Makes me want to wait until the 3rd before I pick up a temporary MacBook. How sweet would it be if they were released on my birthday? That would be perfect. MBPs on the Apple Online Store are still 24 hours though.
 
Swarmlord said:
Re: your signature. Thank you. I thought I was the only person that thinks that these codewords like Merom, Whitefield, Conroe, and Woodcrest convey little or no useful information about the actual chip. I can't even find a useable decoder ring table with all the codenames used internally at either Intel or AMD for all their various chips. Funny how when you actually purchase chips the designations are Pentium M, Pentium D, Core 2 Duo, etc. and then followed by either 9xx series or E6xxx numbers and the clock speed and socket type. I have yet to purchase one processor chip with the name of a city or whatever printed prominently on the top so evidently the manufacturer doesn't even think that it's important enough to preserve on the chip.

The names don't refer to chips. They refer to chip architectures. This is important to the CPU geeks as they can vary a great deal.

There are generally arch variants within a range. Take the Pentium 4, for instance. Wilamette, Northwood, and Prescott (and the cancelled Tejas).

All were sold as "Pentium 4" but there's some fairly major variation (for example, Prescott P4's were often slower than Northwood P4's at the same clockspeed, despite Prescott being the newer design).

The arch name is on the chip -- it's part of that long string of numbers/characters which denotes all sorts of other stuff including clock speed, location and week/year of manufacture, etc.

Swarmlord said:
So, to clarify for us processor secret codename ignorant people could someone list the model number of the current evidently undesireable MPB chip and the model number of the highly desireable so called Merom chip?

The Merom range is called "Core 2 Duo Mobile" and the models currently are T5500, T5600, T7200, T7400 and T7600, varying by clockspeed and L2 cache size.

Yonah - the previous generation processor - is called "Core Duo" and the models are T2300, T2400, T2500, T2600 and T2700.

There's a few I didn't add of both (ULV versions, single core versions, etc.)

Merom is the better chip.

Swarmlord said:
BTW, just to see how extensive the ignorance of this chip is among other computer professionals I went to my local hardware outlet and asked to see a Merom chip and a motherboard with a Merom compatible socket and every tech there had heard the codeword but had no idea which of the specific chips in the case actually were Merom because they refer to them by socket type and speed.

I and the other codeword ignorant would appreciate a little enlightenment here. I want to know whether I need to start screaming for a Merom based Mac Mini or not.

Merom uses Socket M, same as Core Duo/Pentium M for now, but will change to Socket P next year when Intel updates the platform from Napa to Santa Rosa (sorry... from "Centrino Duo" to ... whatever they brand Santa Rosa -- which could well be "Centrino Duo" -- they stuck with "Centrino" through Carmel, Sonoma and the Pentium-M version of Napa...)

That's why we use the code-names. It's to differentiate product in a way that is essentially hidden from consumers to avoid confusion in the marketplace.
 
brett4got said:
Another thing to note about the comments from Intel. Why would they really need to be involved much if it was simply dropping a new chip in the current model? Could they be using a new motherboard/chipset for the new MBP's?

Perhaps FW800 or pre-802.11n (like what is found in the iMacs). Maybe they needed Intel's help to switch from ATI to nVidia for the GPU?

The GPU just sits on a PCIe bus. Switching chips out isn't terribly complicated so long as other stuff such as thermal constraints aren't a problem.
 
GELSINGER: It's far from done. Let's take it in phases. First was the honeymoon, where we won Apple as a customer. The second phase was execution and getting products done and, third, we just finished that. The MacBook Pro was the last product. We just finished the birthing. We've just gotten that done, but a number of projects are under way with Apple on next-generation technologies -- but I can't detail those. Apple is very secretive, even to us. It's the nature of the company.

This is the direct quote from Pat Gelsinger in the InformationWeek article. The quote itself is interesting on a lot of levels. For, the iMac and Mac Pros are the most recently updated Apple computers. Yet, he mentions the "MacBook Pro was the last product." And, given that the question itself mentioned IDF, his comments were probably made within the last week or two.

What strikes me most is the line, "We just finished the birthing." Apparently not a "simple" chip swap. Apple and Intel were likely working closely to address heat versus performance issues, as well as possible new GPU integration.

IMO, there's an impressive update near on the horizon for MBPs.
 
Another Sign??

A buddy of mine purchased a MBP in July. This was his first mac and I had been trying to get him to switch for a long time. I saw him again in August and he told me that he was having issues with his display going out. He called Applecare, they walked him through some troubleshooting and it seemed to go away, only to come back a couple of days latter. He suffered through it to finish some projects and sent his MBP in for service two weeks ago. On Monday of this week, he called Apple to check on it as it showed "Pending Shipment" for several days. The told him that they were in fact waiting on a backordered part, but to call back by Thursday if he didn't receive it. He called back last night and told them that he either needed his machine fixed and returned or he wanted a new machine. The rep said that at this point they were willing to give a new machine, but that the 17" was backordered and it would take longer to get a new one than get the part to fix his. I know that the apple store still shows a 24hr ship time on those, but maybe it's a sign that stock is indeed dwindling and we are on the horizon for the new MBP!

I've been waiting to buy since July and am just trying to be patient with the rest of you! Today has been good though, because I ordered a Mac Pro and it wasn't supposed to be here until next Wednesday - FedEx just dropped it off...so I'm off to see how fast it really is!!!

My gut is that we'll see new MBPs within the next 3 weeks!
 
Macbook Pros are still 24h. Macbooks have come down from 5 business days to 3-5, then 2-4, and now 1-3 days. I guess they are still rolling out. But these reports from costumers that the parts are scantly available are indeed refreshing. Things have been indeed too quiet lately. Maybe were nearing something...
 
I really hope we are nearing something. That would be very helpful for me, because I have some travelling I need to do in December. A new innovative thing we be great, but so would a processor drop in and some updated specs.
 
manic said:
Macbook Pros are still 24h. Macbooks have come down from 5 business days to 3-5, then 2-4, and now 1-3 days. I guess they are still rolling out. But these reports from costumers that the parts are scantly available are indeed refreshing. Things have been indeed too quiet lately. Maybe were nearing something...


Weren't imac's 24 hrs just before refresh? Not sure ship times mean much.
 
david6545 said:
Weren't imac's 24 hrs just before refresh? Not sure ship times mean much.

i've been saying that over and over. apparently people on these boards don't know how to read.
 
tekmoe said:
i've been saying that over and over. apparently people on these boards don't know how to read.

well, ive just read it and, if thats the case, am more confident that we are nearing something. Although its best to keep hopes down to avoid further frustration.

I hope that we keep getting news about stock availability with people who are asking apple for replacements/ fixes. its showing an encouraging trend
 
The rambling / guessing on this topic is at sad and pathetic proportions. The ravens are heading south, the crickets have stopped chirping, my brother's close friend's third cousin's wife recently dated an Apple retail employees son who thought that a FedEx employee commented on a shipment..............., my goldfish are twitching more in the tank - MBP any day now.

What is clear on this matter is that WE DO NOT KNOW SQUAT - period. That holds true from the most experienced / seasoned Apple watcher to the utter newbie.

It sucks, and is really old - 17" purchase shortly I'm afraid.
 
Multimedia said:
Some of them are hung up on setting a record for thread length. :rolleyes:

Just inform them that there is no chance in hell of that happening. The moderators will shut the thread down WAY before the record 6,197 posts is reached.

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October 10th - maybe the 9th?

First time post, long time lurker.

As soon as the c2d mbp come out i will finally switch to apple. i've always thought that macs were attractive but since they've switched to intel chips and can run windows (i need this for work) i've decided to switch. I, like many of you, am anxiously waiting cash-in-hand to rush to the apple store and get a laptop.

Yes, I could get a cd mbp, but if i'm gonna spend $2,800.42 (w/taxes and edu discount), the second most expensive thing i've ever bought (cars was the most expensive $3,500 used honda civic), and the most i've ever spent on computer(s). I really, really want the most for my money.

Anyways,

i went over to alienware to see what they had and although it looks tempting (power not looks) i think i can hold out a couple more weeks before i lose it.

here is some info.

their Area 51 C2D 17" laptop (nothing custom) has an Estimated Ship Date of October 09. Their Area 51 C2D 15.4" laptop ships October 12.

note: both can be customized with a WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD!!
 
I'm living in Canada and was wondering if the price of the C2D Macbook Pro's will drop from 2199 for the base model. Does anyone know by how much it will drop? Release date, October 3?
 
Multimedia said:
Well I just made a post over at the fully bloated 107 page 2669 post "MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?" Thread asking all of them to come over here since that thread is no longer a relevant topic. But so far no go. Some of them are hung up on setting a record for thread length. :rolleyes:

Well, I'm convinced. At this point, it seems like people are posting over there JUST for the sake of making the thread longer. Aggravating.
 
yeah61 said:
I'm living in Canada and was wondering if the price of the C2D Macbook Pro's will drop from 2199 for the base model. Does anyone know by how much it will drop? Release date, October 3?

Nobody knows anything about Apple's plans. Everything relating to what might happen on here is pure conjecture.
 
Alienware Area 51 WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD Option

saveranger said:
i went over to alienware to see what they had and although it looks tempting (power not looks) i think i can hold out a couple more weeks before i lose it.

here is some info.

their Area 51 C2D 17" laptop (nothing custom) has an Estimated Ship Date of October 09. Their Area 51 C2D 15.4" laptop ships October 12.

note: both can be customized with a WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD!!
Thank you for this info and welcome to MacRumors saveranger. I so wish Apple would offer us that display option. I would love to have that res in a mobile Mac. Thanks. And it's only $100 extra! Man that is such a deal.

So for only $1800 you can have a base 512MB 60GB HD 2GHZ C2D 17" 1920 x 1200 screen. Amazing value. Wish it could run a legal OS X.

Wow they have a Superman Returns edition for only $2,569. That is so cool.
 
jericho878 said:
This is the direct quote from Pat Gelsinger in the InformationWeek article. The quote itself is interesting on a lot of levels. For, the iMac and Mac Pros are the most recently updated Apple computers. Yet, he mentions the "MacBook Pro was the last product." And, given that the question itself mentioned IDF, his comments were probably made within the last week or two.

What strikes me most is the line, "We just finished the birthing." Apparently not a "simple" chip swap. Apple and Intel were likely working closely to address heat versus performance issues, as well as possible new GPU integration.

IMO, there's an impressive update near on the horizon for MBPs.
Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to say. This is a direct quote from a VP of Intel, not my sister-in-law's cat's pet fish's friend's opinion.

GELSINGER: It's far from done. Let's take it in phases. First was the honeymoon, where we won Apple as a customer. The second phase was execution and getting products done and, third, we just finished that. The MacBook Pro was the last product. We just finished the birthing. We've just gotten that done, but a number of projects are under way with Apple on next-generation technologies -- but I can't detail those.

The second phase products were the original MBP, the MB, the iMac and the Mac Pro. Now, Apple and Intel "just finished" "birthing" the MBP, which was one of the earlier Intel Macs. Why didn't he say they had "just finished" the new iMac, the most recent Apple/Intel product? Or the Mac Pro, also a fairly recent product, which probably had a lot of Intel input in its development, and is technologically the most impressive of the bunch? Why say this about something that was announced 7 months ago, and was probably finished a few months prior to that? The reason, of course, is that he was not referring to the current MBP. Gelsinger, whether by intent or accident (which is why I earlier referred his statement as a "slip"), has unofficially announced the new MBP. Only the time of release remains in question.


Maybe no MBPs next Tuesday, but almost certainly in October.
 
Prices Don't Usually Go Down But Power May Go Way Up

yeah61 said:
I'm living in Canada and was wondering if the price of the C2D Macbook Pro's will drop from 2199 for the base model. Does anyone know by how much it will drop? Release date, October 3?
I doubt prices will change. They usually don't. You just get more power for the same money each round.

If Apple's costs are any harbinger, the 18.64GHz 8-Core Mac Pro running @ 2.33GHz will sell for the same $3,300 as the currrent 12GHz 4-core 3GHz model or less in December or January - only 4-5 months later. Each 2.33GHz 4-core Clovertown will cost Apple less than $851 - the same price they are paying now for 3GHz 2-core Woodcrests. Ain't technological progress fun? :p
ergle2 said:
Nobody knows anything about Apple's plans. Everything relating to what might happen on here is pure conjecture.
I totally agree there. It upsets me when anyone takes what I post as anything other than my own personal GUESS. Sometimes I get attacked because I didn't use the word "guess" or "probably" in my posts. I think it's splitting hairs because the base here is that everyone is posting educated guesses - some better educated than others.

I make a lot of mistakes and wrong guesses here. Thankfully I get corrected by someone else who knows better. But sometimes the corrections are quite brutally delivered - including those made by me sometimes - usually unintentionally. :)
 
Multimedia said:
Thank you for this info and welcome to MacRumors. I so wish Apple would offer us that display option. I would love to have that res in a mobile Mac. How much is it? And perhaps you could edit in a link to the page where you found them? Thanks.

I keep hoping the next 15" model released is 1680x1050... Can't say I really expect it tho' ... (tho' I think it's more likely if the 17" model goes 1920x1080...)
 
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