Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?

[AppliedVisual]

seems apple is not going to go with merom until they have a new case for the pro with easy access drive bay and more ram with better battery. is it too much to think that the macbook pro should be more powerful than the imac? maybe they are just waiting for santarosa? or maybe a single woodcrest? liquid cooling in a laptop sounds cooooool. it just seems that if a new macbook pro came out now they will have to do a redisign in 4 months with the flash boot and santarosa 802.11n and all. can apple sit on core duo till then? or will they throw out something to tide people like the new ipod mini... i mean nano.

Actually, I think Apple could sit on the current MBP config just fine until a complete redesign is ready that's Santa Rosa compliant or at least has all the key features (4GB, 802.11n, better GPU, etc..). They just need to adjust their prices accordingly. Right now, the prices are the same as they have been for months and sales have got to be slowing -- but what do I know. I still don't understand the mentality of most Mac users. All indications online is that even at the currently high prices, these things are still selling like hotcakes.

 

[AppliedVisual]

It is cheaper for students, though, to go the ADC route. The upsides are that even with the cost of the membership and the MBP you would still be paying less than you would otherwise for a comparable refurb... and it would be new, of course.

PS I could just stare at virus1's avatar for hours at a time. It's good to have a nice distraction in such a depressing thread.

Careful with ADC pricing... The discount on the Macbook isn't all that great. I don't know if he would recover the $99 enrollment fee unless he bought a blackbook with some upgrades, which doesn't make sense. Now discounts on MBP and Mac Pro systems are a lot better.

 

[macman2790]

Actually, I think Apple could sit on the current MBP config just fine until a complete redesign is ready that's Santa Rosa compliant or at least has all the key features (4GB, 802.11n, better GPU, etc..). They just need to adjust their prices accordingly. Right now, the prices are the same as they have been for months and sales have got to be slowing -- but what do I know. I still don't understand the mentality of most Mac users. All indications online is that even at the currently high prices, these things are still selling like hotcakes.

if this idea is correct would the likely release date be at mwsf?

 

[AppliedVisual]

or go all the way to 30" for only $1444.15 right now 15% off $1699 list.

Whoa.. How'd I miss that... Oooh, and I've got a stackable coupon to use on top of that. And I'm ordering one right now to match the one already on my desk. Muahahahaha... I've been intending to get another, but was waiting for this deal to come around again.

BTW, for those reading and considering this. Be aware that the iMac and Macbook systems won't drive a 30" (Apple or Dell) at the native 2560x1600 resolution and IIRC you need a special signal adapter to use them since they require a dual-link DVI connection. At least I know my Dell won't run off a single-link connection at all. MBP systems work just great with these monitors!

 

[Multimedia]

Stackable Coupon? How Can I Get One? How Much More Off?

or go all the way to 30" for only $1444.15 right now 15% off $1699 list.

Also just found 30" refurbs of the same model for only $1349 at Dell.

Whoa.. How'd I miss that... Oooh, and I've got a stackable coupon to use on top of that. And I'm ordering one right now to match the one already on my desk. Muahahahaha... I've been intending to get another, but was waiting for this deal to come around again.

BTW, for those reading and considering this. Be aware that the iMac and Macbook systems won't drive a 30" (Apple or Dell) at the native 2560x1600 resolution and IIRC you need a special signal adapter to use them since they require a dual-link DVI connection. At least I know my Dell won't run off a single-link connection at all. MBP systems work just great with these monitors!

What's a stackable coupon and how can I get one? How much more off? Sale is until October 11.

 

[AppliedVisual]

What's a stackable coupon and how can I get one? How much more off? Sale is until October 11.

A stackable coupon is a coupon code that can be used or "stacked" onto existing discounts like the 15% off. I have a Dell Preferred small business account and they occasionally send me coupon codes, most are nothing special, but occasionally something good. The one I have this time is a stackable $50 off $500 or more in electronics & accessories.

You may want to check coupon sites like xpbargains to see if you can dig one up. Most stackables are one-time use or require other conditions like the use of a preferred account or you must pay with a certain type of credit card.

Anyway, this price is great... Much cheaper than Apple and I love my current 30" Dell (even though it has one stuck blue pixel in the middle). It's nice to see the price falling so fast on these... I bought my other one when it was first released at $2499 and it's come down $1K from that in about a year.

 

[Major Kong]

In Austria, the biggest consumer electronic stores (Saturn) this week dropped prices for the 1.83 GHz MacBook to Euro 999. This is about 30 Euros cheaper than in any internet store. Saturn ususally sells Apple hardware for list price.

Everything over here in Germany/Austria looks like new hardware is coming soon. In Germany it is practically impossible to buy new white MacBooks, there is no stock anywhere. Apple states 3 days in the store, but if you place an order the estimated ship date will be minimum 2 weeks from now.

 

[Multimedia]

Dell 30" Refurb Is Only $1349

A stackable coupon is a coupon code that can be used or "stacked" onto existing discounts like the 15% off. I have a Dell Preferred small business account and they occasionally send me coupon codes, most are nothing special, but occasionally something good. The one I have this time is a stackable $50 off $500 or more in electronics & accessories.

You may want to check coupon sites like xpbargains to see if you can dig one up. Most stackables are one-time use or require other conditions like the use of a preferred account or you must pay with a certain type of credit card.

Anyway, this price is great... Much cheaper than Apple and I love my current 30" Dell (even though it has one stuck blue pixel in the middle). It's nice to see the price falling so fast on these... I bought my other one when it was first released at $2499 and it's come down $1K from that in about a year.

Just found Dell 30" Refurbs For Only $1349.

Would you mind sharing with us how much you like your 30" monitor and why please? It's twice money for less than twice the number of pixels than the 24" 1920 x 1200. Thanks.

 

[generik]

You get a NEW battery with a refurb. Nothing that can be USED is used. Desktops come with brand new, cables keyboards and mice. Nothing is USED in a refurb. Main difference is they come in a brown box.

Surely refurb laptops come with a used case at least? I am trying to help the skeptics fire off a few question here

Are you old enough? I'm curious, what would the consequences be? I'm using a student loan to buy my MBP.

Considering you are someone who named his forum username off a character in a 6 year old game, yeah I am pretty sure I am much older than you

 

[generik]

These same questions go through my head every day......with the exception of the woodcrest/liquid cooling idea. I don't think apple would go there.

Watercooling in a (as frequently touted by pundits) a less than 1" thick enclosure would be very interesting.

 

[evisa]

Let's hug it out, bitches.

good job: the thread was beginning to depress me until your little addition of ari gold goodness.

 

[poppe]

Yeah it'll do that. 64-bit has nothing to do with multi-core awareness.Why not get the 2GHz C2D MacBook for only $1199? Academic FCS is only $699 NOT $899.Total academic price for both is $1899 + Ram. MB is fine for FCS. All the parts run just great.Screen Dependant. If you follow my advice you can afford a 1920 x 1200 - that's NATIVE HD Resolution BTW - 24" Dell for only about $700 more for a total of just over $2600 which is less than you thought you needed. You drive the 1920x1200 with the MacBook and you get an external keyboard, mouse and Contour ShuttlePRO™ so your MacBook is like a portable desktop. Swap out the stock HD for a Seagate 160 thanks to the easy access HD Bay.Not!$699. Bonus Tip: If you can find a FCS PPC alacarte component or an old copy of Final Cut Pro 4 or 4.5 in the school store, you can swap it with $199 for the full Final Cut Studio Suite until December 20 through their Crossgrade to Universal Binary offer. Well worth hunting for an original DVD from someone somewhere - even buying an upgrade of a component for only $199 or less. No serial numbers required. All you have to do is find or buy an original install DVD including those found in upgrade boxes.

Follow my plan and you pocket $900 to $1200 from what you've saved already. The 2GHz C2D MacBook with a 1920 x 1200 Dell 24" screen is a killer Final Cut Studio System. You do NOT need a MacBook Pro.What? You lost me.

Oh No I can't do MB... I'd die not being able to play gpu intensive games and what not, though that sounds a little funny saying that about a mac...

However Thank you for all the advice that sounds all like great plans.

And yes I already have th keyboard and mouse, and once the student loans hit the bank the 24" dell is comming. I was just curios to why it was screen dependant when I thought i've seen some 17" inch screens (and perhaps even 15") have 1900 x 1200...

I'll look in the to the used PPC final cut pro. Does that work for studio as well? I really want studio more than anything.

I wouldn't mind doing the mod to get the HD screen in the MBP is that was what you were talking about, but since this is my first mac and have been saving up for it for a year now this thing will be my baby... I already have a few hundred dollars set aside for protecting it and what not i.e. sleeves, back-packs, etc.

Thank you for the advice you always have good stuff. Let me know if you have anything else!

P.S. what would 64 bit improve then wants its implemented and everything? I can't believe I confused my self with 64 bit and two cores... I usually know what I'm talking about

EDIT: Oh I found studio would work... man the more we know just by clicking links that were provided by other posters... man oh man...

EDIT # 2: Oh and to replay and what I lost you on Multimedia was that I thought that if you bought Studio brand new for EDU discount you could not upgrade period? (not taking the UB promo in to consideration)

 

[poppe]

I'm just now curious: forget that crossgrading is going on, and my question is isn't it when you by EDU software from Apple like aperature/FCP/Motion/etc you can not upgrade correct?

I just didn't make it very clear that I understood that all now that I look back on my posts...

 

[generik]

I'm just now curious: forget that crossgrading is going on, and my question is isn't it when you by EDU software from Apple like aperature/FCP/Motion/etc you can not upgrade correct?

I just didn't make it very clear that I understood that all now that I look back on my posts...

I believe Apple doesn't have special "EDU" packaging. So as far as they are concerned it is just another FCP installation disc.

 

[gatsbys hat]

So i cracked; i opted to go for the 1.83 white MB (i have less money than i thought ) with a a gig of ram. I did the edu nano deal. In the confirmation email it says it will ship on the 20th though! If they released merom on Tuesday, would mine ship as a merom? Anyone got any previous experience of something like this happening?

 

[generik]

So i cracked; i opted to go for the 1.83 white MB (i have less money than i thought ) with a a gig of ram. I did the edu nano deal. In the confirmation email it says it will ship on the 20th though! If they released merom on Tuesday, would mine ship as a merom? Anyone got any previous experience of something like this happening?

Yeap, you will get an email informing you that you will get the new one.

But odds are Apple would probably release it on the 27th then.

 

[Multimedia]

Pro Application Crossgrade Includes Legal Move From Academic To Commercial

I'm just now curious: forget that crossgrading is going on, and my question is isn't it when you by EDU software from Apple like aperature/FCP/Motion/etc you can not upgrade correct?

I just didn't make it very clear that I understood that all now that I look back on my posts...

Normally yes. But if you read the fine print of the Crossgrade Form - the PDF you download - Academic versions of all the qualifying PPC applications are included in this particular program. So I am not advocating anything illegal. Apple is making an exception on this particular Crossgrade that legally allows PPC Academic Pro Application owners to move to Commercial UB versions this one time.

That's why I am saying it's the chance of a lifetime.

 

[virus1]

heh.. glad you guys enjoy my tar. took me like 2 hours..

back on the [oh so depressing] subject, unless you have a good edu discount, i agree with multimedia that refurbs are the best way to go. i assume it is the same with ipods then as well?

 

[sycho]

It is cheaper for students, though, to go the ADC route. The upsides are that even with the cost of the membership and the MBP you would still be paying less than you would otherwise for a comparable refurb... and it would be new, of course.

Ok, I've been following all the Core2Duo MacBook Pro threads for a while now. I've seen the ADC student membership mention a couple of times, and I was wondering, what is Apple's take on this? I glanced over the Terms and Conditions of the hardware discount, and it said that the computer could only be used for developing software for Apple hardware. I know it seems silly, but if that's what the intent for the discount is, then I'll just get a normal student discount. Or did I completely mis-understand the whole thing?

 

[JOBenson1375]

Might as well wait a little longer....

I've been following the forums for a while and really want my new MB or MBP, but now, now I might as well wait until Jan after the show because even if they release something within this month, what's 2 more months? Along with a very possible impressive overhaul of the laptop. I'll wait until Jan when they announce their new design, with the new OS and hopeful (but doubtful) flash RAM HD. I can't see Apple using liquid cooling in their laptops. Is that an actual ligit rumor or just a hopeful dream?

 

[stashmanguitar]

seems apple is not going to go with merom until they have a new case for the pro with easy access drive bay and more ram with better battery. is it too much to think that the macbook pro should be more powerful than the imac? maybe they are just waiting for santarosa? or maybe a single woodcrest? liquid cooling in a laptop sounds cooooool. it just seems that if a new macbook pro came out now they will have to do a redisign in 4 months with the flash boot and santarosa 802.11n and all. can apple sit on core duo till then? or will they throw out something to tide people like the new ipod mini... i mean nano.

What if Apple stuck two meroms in the MBP? A new case design could allow for such a feat, and then all the current pro machines would be quad core. I'm sure Multimedia would be happy.

 

[macd00d]

What if Apple stuck two meroms in the MBP? A new case design could allow for such a feat, and then all the current pro machines would be quad core. I'm sure Multimedia would be happy.

And then I could cook a steak on my MBP!

 

[AppliedVisual]

I can't see Apple using liquid cooling in their laptops. Is that an actual ligit rumor or just a hopeful dream?

Don't count on the FLASH being any more than the NAND FLASH people have been talking about. It can be used to store key OS and other necessary files and allow for near instant boot-up. It can also act as a cache for frequently accessed data or anticipated data while the system is running. It will be nice to have, but it will still be some time before we see actual solid-state hard drives in consumer devices.

As for liquid cooling... It's just a pipe dream right now (haha). The internal pathways for airflow would need to be occupied by tubes that would circuilate the coolant and airflow is still necessary so that becomes a problem. There must also be a way to cool the liquid coolant used... In the form of a radiator or set of peltier coolers. Water cooling typically takes up a lot more space than air cooled designs. And don't forget the pump to circulate the coolant too, that takes up space.

 

[OdduWon]

Don't count on the FLASH being any more than the NAND FLASH people have been talking about. It can be used to store key OS and other necessary files and allow for near instant boot-up. It can also act as a cache for frequently accessed data or anticipated data while the system is running. It will be nice to have, but it will still be some time before we see actual solid-state hard drives in consumer devices.

As for liquid cooling... It's just a pipe dream right now (haha). The internal pathways for airflow would need to be occupied by tubes that would circuilate the coolant and airflow is still necessary so that becomes a problem. There must also be a way to cool the liquid coolant used... In the form of a radiator or set of peltier coolers. Water cooling typically takes up a lot more space than air cooled designs. And don't forget the pump to circulate the coolant too, that takes up space.

R-134A freaon maybe?

 

[danvdr]

I've been following the forums for a while and really want my new MB or MBP, but now, now I might as well wait until Jan after the show because even if they release something within this month, what's 2 more months? Along with a very possible impressive overhaul of the laptop. I'll wait until Jan when they announce their new design, with the new OS and hopeful (but doubtful) flash RAM HD. :

But, if Apple releases something in the next month, I would guess there won't be any major changes in January. (i.e. when C2D laptops get released grab one--after the early adapters try them out