who's bitching about not wanting widescreen so TV shows will fit the screen? Almost all TV shows curently broadcasting that aren't cartoons are widescreen
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Full Video iPod in 2007 and Mac Tablet in 2008?
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Interesting, I am the totally opposite of you. I love the iPhone, but with Cingular, small HD capacity and the price tag it doesn't look that good to me.
I rather have a a widescreen iPod, with 120gig, contact info and keep the way you connect to a digi camera on the field and then I am sold. I'll buy a regular phone and keep my Verizon account (because I can get good reception) and be a happy camper. Carry all my music, videos, photos, data and contacts in one small package.
Product diversification
I hope the rumors are true. It would mean that with Apple's increasing poplularity they need to diverify their product offerings. Not everyone will want a phone, but some might want a wide screen iPod. Some might like a super lite MacBook others a tablet. Some folks just don't like white, how about an all-one Mac Pro with a metal enclosure? Or a mid-range tower? I think Apple's offerings are too limited right now. It certainly seems plausible for them to add to their product offering without overly complicating it.
I hope the rumors are true. It would mean that with Apple's increasing poplularity they need to diverify their product offerings. Not everyone will want a phone, but some might want a wide screen iPod. Some might like a super lite MacBook others a tablet. Some folks just don't like white, how about an all-one Mac Pro with a metal enclosure? Or a mid-range tower? I think Apple's offerings are too limited right now. It certainly seems plausible for them to add to their product offering without overly complicating it.
I'm sure you're not alone, but I think Scu's point is that for Apple to release a wide screen iPod before the iPhone would take from the impact of the iPhone's release. Maybe not yourself, but a lot of people would vasicalte between buying the new iPod or waiting for the phone.
It's pretty clear that the iPhone is the more important product for Apple. I doubt they would risk crippling it's sales by offering another product before it's launch that could impact the early sales numbers. After it's out there and people who haven't bought into the iPhone will be clamoring for a wide screen iPod. Apple will release one in time for the holidays. My .02 prediction.
Anyone saying there is no demand for a tablet doesn't get it.
multi touch is not a tablet.
Tablets are for writing
multi touch can top a mouse and keys for everything OTHER than finite pointing and typing words.
it wont just change the way we interact with computers, it will change the nature of the software.
multi touch is not a tablet.
Tablets are for writing
multi touch can top a mouse and keys for everything OTHER than finite pointing and typing words.
it wont just change the way we interact with computers, it will change the nature of the software.
So does the new aftermarket tablet solve about 70% of the market need for a "full size" tablet?
Rocketman
This has me really excited, I'll definitely be watching the Super Bowl now.
In response to people who think that this would hurt iPhone sales, I disagree. There are a few types of people out there. People who want everything in one device, they will be the ones buying the iPhone. But there are only 58 million Cingular customers, but there are over 100 million iPod owners, there is some overlap, but a lot of different market.
In response to people who think that this would hurt iPhone sales, I disagree. There are a few types of people out there. People who want everything in one device, they will be the ones buying the iPhone. But there are only 58 million Cingular customers, but there are over 100 million iPod owners, there is some overlap, but a lot of different market.
This is what I'm also hoping for - just replace the phone with bigger storage. The iPhone will/should always have way smaller storage space than the iPod just to keep the 'feature sets' of the two product families separate.
Sure, there'll always be a slight overlap in features, but that's no different than what we're used to with the current shuffle/nano/ipod range. Replacing the existing 5.5 gen iPod with the 6 gen and adding the iPhone to range ensures that 99% of potential customers will be able to get the iDevice that they need.
RodC
it's true, very possible. At the other hand the sales of the current video iPod (5g) will halt because the prospect of the widescreen coming is very tempting, so people will wait. Interesting times ahead.
That's what I was thinking...
After looking at the iPhone, it just makes my Video iPod look old. The current Video iPod is over a year old and has had a small upgrade. Apple is going to have to discontinue it or upgrade it to the touchscreen. I don't think they are going to discontinue the phoneless iPod, when it takes up about 75% of the music player market. I really believe they did not release the full screen ipod because Steve could get all the Movie companies available on iTunes. He really wants to make it a great experience, and a reason to probably sell it at about 399 for 80GB and 499 100GB...
Maybe in April they will announce the touchscreen iPod with wifi and bluetooth only. No phone or camera...
This would be great, and I would buy it in a snap. I really don't like Cingular and it does not work well where I live...
After looking at the iPhone, it just makes my Video iPod look old. The current Video iPod is over a year old and has had a small upgrade. Apple is going to have to discontinue it or upgrade it to the touchscreen. I don't think they are going to discontinue the phoneless iPod, when it takes up about 75% of the music player market. I really believe they did not release the full screen ipod because Steve could get all the Movie companies available on iTunes. He really wants to make it a great experience, and a reason to probably sell it at about 399 for 80GB and 499 100GB...
Maybe in April they will announce the touchscreen iPod with wifi and bluetooth only. No phone or camera...
This would be great, and I would buy it in a snap. I really don't like Cingular and it does not work well where I live...
I would happily pay $300 for widescreen, wifi, mini osx ipod. Put that student discount to use.
May of already been addressed, but with no touch screen, how could you navigate? hmm
Student discount no longer applies to the iPod...
People have been commenting on the "high price and margins" of the iPhone. I wonder if this means there will be a deal where Cingular charges LESS for data services if you buy an iPhone (ATN), Right now Apple is the price leader in the smart MP3 market (Zune culd not beat the price). Apple MacBooks are very low price, very fully featured laptops, with what many consider the best OS, AND access to low cost helper apps and low cost software updates. All with higher quality than class components.
So if iPhone (ATN) follows in this trend, and with a target of 10,000,000 untis in the first full year, why not? It seems there is a piece of the puzzle that has not been announced yet. Either they will offer more value added features or lower monthly cost plans, or both, or both and a third set of things I have left out.
It is like Apple to price things at the high end of competitive, then pile on the features and benefits to drive sales. On this product you do not have the "Windows PC loyalty" factor to overcome.
Rocketman
So if iPhone (ATN) follows in this trend, and with a target of 10,000,000 untis in the first full year, why not? It seems there is a piece of the puzzle that has not been announced yet. Either they will offer more value added features or lower monthly cost plans, or both, or both and a third set of things I have left out.
It is like Apple to price things at the high end of competitive, then pile on the features and benefits to drive sales. On this product you do not have the "Windows PC loyalty" factor to overcome.
Rocketman
I don't think so.
One has nothing to do with the other.
The iPhone is a phone with music and web capabilities.
The iPod is....well it's the iPod right...nothing gonna mess with this bread winner
Res Should Be 640 x 360 To Be Truely Wide-HD-Compatible
Just because the iPhone is not truly 16:9 wide is no reason to think the Wide Video iPod won't be. 640x360 is not that hard a res to achieve. That's what I expect anyway. Anything less than a true fraction of my HDTV Screen res will be a big disappointment and I would probably wait for that to get fixed if it starts that way.
I was able to lift a 40" Samsung LN-S4095 out of the box and place it on my desk by myself - 50 pounds. And it cost about $1,000 less than my old 250 pound 36" Sony 4x3 WEGA SOTA XBR Tube did in 2000.
Just because the iPhone is not truly 16:9 wide is no reason to think the Wide Video iPod won't be. 640x360 is not that hard a res to achieve. That's what I expect anyway. Anything less than a true fraction of my HDTV Screen res will be a big disappointment and I would probably wait for that to get fixed if it starts that way.
No kidding. I think we have a room full of laggards who don't have a HDTV yet. Once you start watching digital exclusively on a HDTV screen, you realize just how bad SD really is including digital SD. It's quite pathetic really. And once you get used to watching productions in widescreen, 4x3 productions look positively atrocious. I am so glad we are finally near the end of the 4x3 SD era. It will NOT be missed.who's bitching about not wanting widescreen so TV shows will fit the screen? Almost all TV shows curently broadcasting that aren't cartoons are widescreen
I was able to lift a 40" Samsung LN-S4095 out of the box and place it on my desk by myself - 50 pounds. And it cost about $1,000 less than my old 250 pound 36" Sony 4x3 WEGA SOTA XBR Tube did in 2000.
the deal killer for me on the iphone is its 8GB drive. i prefer listening to AL files and wouldn't be able to do that on the iphone...i think it's a great or at least highly interesting product...and were i in the market for a new phone i would seriously consider it.
but a 100GB full-screen ipod is what i'm waiting for...sold all my ipods (except my shuffle) last year waiting for this thing...and will be first in line to get one if/when it comes out. i figure i can put about 20-30 movies on there as well as a bunch of AL files...yummy!
but a 100GB full-screen ipod is what i'm waiting for...sold all my ipods (except my shuffle) last year waiting for this thing...and will be first in line to get one if/when it comes out. i figure i can put about 20-30 movies on there as well as a bunch of AL files...yummy!
My dream Video iPod at this point....
40 GB and 100 GB Hard Drive models
"Widescreen" Full Screen Touch display (By "Full Screen" I mean that the screen goes from bezel to bezel in all directions, not like the iPhone that only goes bezel to bezel across the width of it.)
WiFi capabilities for syncing with home network to update iPod.
Bluetooth for Apple made Bluetooth head phones.
Accelerometer for being able to turn iPod to watch video or photo content.
I think if you take a lot of the features off of the iPhone and strip it down to the iPod, we could easily see it hit the $249 and $349 price point still.
40 GB and 100 GB Hard Drive models
"Widescreen" Full Screen Touch display (By "Full Screen" I mean that the screen goes from bezel to bezel in all directions, not like the iPhone that only goes bezel to bezel across the width of it.)
WiFi capabilities for syncing with home network to update iPod.
Bluetooth for Apple made Bluetooth head phones.
Accelerometer for being able to turn iPod to watch video or photo content.
I think if you take a lot of the features off of the iPhone and strip it down to the iPod, we could easily see it hit the $249 and $349 price point still.
Money is not the issue
The issue is the market demand. A lot of us are hoping that Apple enters the home video console market, but again, as they showed in the keynote, there is such a small market that it would be a waste of time at this stage. Heck I wish they would make a tablet Mac, I'd love it cuz then I cuz use that on the subway to watch my DVDs or videos and have the option to do real work. But I won't hold my breath. Let's see how the ModBook does, is all I can say.
The issue is the market demand. A lot of us are hoping that Apple enters the home video console market, but again, as they showed in the keynote, there is such a small market that it would be a waste of time at this stage. Heck I wish they would make a tablet Mac, I'd love it cuz then I cuz use that on the subway to watch my DVDs or videos and have the option to do real work. But I won't hold my breath. Let's see how the ModBook does, is all I can say.
I highly doubt we'll see the new video iPod before the iPhone. I would be very shocked if we did because it doesn't seem logical. In order for more people to distinguish between the differences, the new video iPod should come after the iPhone has been out for a while.
I should add that I selfishly wish the new video iPod would arrive sooner rather than later.
I should add that I selfishly wish the new video iPod would arrive sooner rather than later.
i think this is probably correct. while i'd love to have the "true" video ipod before the summer, i doubt that it will come out before the iphone. i hope i'm wrong.
So why not just letterbox it on a 4:3 640x480 screen? This would allow all current iTMS content to be displayed at full resolution.
Do you think the market demand for the MacBook would be as high as it is if the starting price was $1500 or $1900 instead of $1100? Price is a factor in whether something will succeed or not.
Since the ModBook can't be in the same price league as the MacBook, its demand will always be lower.
I too am not holding my breath, but think that if Apple could release a $1200 tablet between the UMPC and current tablets that it might have a winner.
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