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Fundamental Misunderstanding what AVP is

Foss said:
Certain people seem to have a certain negative feedback or vitriol to something they chose not to buy. It's really weird. If it's not for you cool, live your life. I don't think anyone that did buy it is trying to convince anyone else they NEED to buy it. It seems more likely that some people that chose not to buy it that no one should get it. I bought mine and hopefully it provides the value that I place on the price of the item. I am enjoying the experience and simply sharing what I think is cool about it with others. I don't get paid commission if other people buy it. It literally does not benefit me personally if others do. For those trying to convince others that it's useless for everyone, how does that benefit you?
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Who is trying to convince anyone that "it's useless for everyone"? I haven't seen posts like that. I've seen people question AVP's utility. I've seen people question the price. I've seen people suggest the price is outrageous. I've seen people question the need for such a product. I've seen people argue that the product is underwhelming and disappointing. But I haven't seen anyone trying to convince others that AVP is "useless".

This is the problem with our social media-fueled era of narcissistic entitlement. Any kind of criticism or disagreement is now viewed as a personal attack. So many people these days act as if they are entitled to a life where their every action and opinion is rubber-stamped by everyone around them. Any difference of opinion is now a personal attack.

What I see on these forums is Vision Pro enthusiasts repeatedly taking personal offense at any criticism of the device. I don't see anyone attacking Vision Pro buyers or trying to convince them not to buy the device. I see people stating opinions that Vision Pro fans don't like and those fans getting defensive. Most of us are here to discuss and debate Apple and technology in general. A few of us want these forums to be a cheerleading echo chamber where dissent = personal attack.
 
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deepspacecowboy said:
This is the problem with our social media-fueled era of narcissistic entitlement. Any kind of criticism or disagreement is now viewed as a personal attack. So many people these days act as if they are entitled to a life where their every action and opinion is rubber-stamped by everyone around them. Any difference of opinion is now a personal attack.
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Post of the century

Bravo! 👏
 
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AirpodsNow said:
This guy, listen to his conclusion at the end. He gets its

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Apple's new "Think Different" moment.

This guy nailed it in his review. Not sure I would ride a skateboard and review at the same time :oops: Poo Poo it all you want but this is where we are headed. I am buying more Apple stock.
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What disturbs me most about this vision of the future is the intense amount of distraction. The phone has already shortened our attention spans. Whereas people used to be comfortable sitting alone waiting for a subway train to arrive, perhaps making small talk with someone next to them...now many people pull out their phones and seek distraction (often masquerading in their minds as "productivity").

A future like the one this video portends throws gasoline on the fire. The guy stopping in the middle of the stairwell and replying to a text is classic. How many people will do just this? Something pops up and they immediately feel the need to deal with it. People already do this now with their phones. A notification comes through and they immediately pull it out of their pocket to look. But that action is still required. There's a still a moment where you must ask yourself, do I pull my phone out and look now...or wait until I've reached the top of the stairs? Now you can just slavishly come to a full stop as soon as the machine beckons!

We've already seen how the mobile phone, mobile internet and social media have utterly eroded countless norms and contributing massively to mental health disorders. Products like AVP will not make things better for humanity. This is an ADHD/ADD dream machine. Drug companies will love it. I don't think our brains are wired for constant input and stimulation like this.
 
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Mac-Donald said:
Don’t look at the current apps, these are mostly ported from a 2D environment, and a relatively basic use cases. […] My point is, imagine the possibilities, this is a v1 product, yes it’s heavy, yes it’s pricey but both points will improve.
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We’ve imagined the possibilities since the 90s. It’s been one incremental improvement after the other since then. The AVP is another incremental step in many ways. But it’s still not quite there and the applications are still limited. Why should we consider this step to be special? It’s still a wait and see.
 
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This is not a hate post but I am still trying to find a single review that makes it stand out to me like right now I am watching the review of Casey Nelstat walking around with it in Manhattan and it’s literally just all about how great it is to have those big floating screens but I have been doing exactly this on my Quest 3 for months and I do agree that it’s awesome to run your browser, instagram and YouTube simultaneously on a big screen but again, how is this any different to the 500$ Quest besides a better passthrough mode (which apparently isn’t perfect on AVP either) and honestly, I prefer to use immersed mode to pretend I am by the beach or something while engaging with those screens.

I’d like to see what people actually do with it. Right now all I hear about is how nice it is to navigate but that’s like saying „my mouse works amazing on the computer“. It should be a given to navigate a headset like this. I am also tired of that dinosaur video in every review 😅

My conclusion is that Apple is just much more amazing at marketing and Meta was dumb to only focus on the Metaverse in terms of the quest which IRONICALLY hasn’t even launched in my country yet the device is great (to me)
 
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bagholders from 03 are posting like an old lady clutching her pearls during a robbery attempt.

lol. some of the accounts that are "coming out of the woodwork" (couple hundred posts, over 15 years old) in the past six months is a joy to watch. nothing sus there. oh yeah, AVP is just so exciting you want to talk about it. you were so excited that you decided to re-engage with the "community" in the run-up to release.

it has nothing to do with the bags you've been holding for 20 years. i mean, you're up like 1000% you can sell easily for market price in an instant if you were to put your bags on the market. right? "the volume is so crazy" lol

lol

the baggie fossils from the early 00s only have one advantage: the hindsight of knowing the power of perception, and how it gave them the bags they're trying to unload as we read.

APPUL 4 LIFE.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
I think they are going to have a hard time getting developers to spend much time on this thing with such a tiny install base.

Dev time is money and they tend to focus on doing work that has a return.
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The ones having dedicated VP apps ready now, like the Juno YouTube app for $5, were actually smart, because a big portion of the 300K+ early adopters, including those who will end up returning the device, will try out a good number of those relatively few apps available now, which should make for a sizable revenue. In a year or two that won’t be so easy anymore.
 
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klasma said:
The ones having dedicated VP apps ready now, like the Juno YouTube app for $5, were actually smart, because a big portion of the 300K+ early adopters will try out a good number of those relatively few apps available now, which should make for a sizable revenue. In a year or two that won’t be so easy anymore.
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And according to Christian Selig, his Juno app has already made enough money to pay off his Vision Pro. I guess we have Google’s remissness to thank for this.
 
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klasma said:
We’ve imagined the possibilities since the 90s. It’s been one incremental improvement after the other since then. The AVP is another incremental step in many ways. But it’s still not quite there and the applications are still limited. Why should we consider this step to be special? It’s still a wait and see.
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I think this is different because it’s Apple. What’s needed for this tech to gain traction is a combination of many factors that I feel only Apple can deliver to take it mainstream. Of course it’s no guarantee but in terms of trust, resources, longevity, user base, developer network, design and engineering, marketing and physical locations, I don’t think anyone comes close. Sure there are others that are better in any one of those factors but that’s not good enough to change public perception to adopt this tech. It needs all of those, for a sustained period, with killer apps and a top notch product build that will improve and become more affordable over time. I think that’s what’s different this time around, Apple have the capabilities to advance this tech further in two years than it’s seen in the past 30 years.
 
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And according to Christian Selig, his Juno app has already made enough money to pay off his Vision Pro.
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Good for him. He went through enough B.S. with reddit. Being an indie developer is no joke, to see one get any kind of reward is heartening.
 
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broly said:
bagholders from 03 are posting like an old lady clutching her pearls during a robbery attempt.

lol. some of the accounts that are "coming out of the woodwork" (couple hundred posts, over 15 years old) in the past six months is a joy to watch. nothing sus there. oh yeah, AVP is just so exciting you want to talk about it. you were so excited that you decided to re-engage with the "community" in the run-up to release.
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I've also noticed these accounts.
As you say, dormant for 15+ years and now reappearing to cheerlead the AVP.
🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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