Further iPhone 4S JB Progress - @MuscleNerd

[maturola]

So your opinion is that the JB is found, its just a matter of making it easy for the lay person to do it at home, ie a program?

The Jailbreak have been found that is not an opinion that is a fact, if you know where to look you can find it yourself (it is a complicated process at the moment). Second, no that is NOT the "ONLY" reason but it one of the reason.

A fully releasable Jailbreaking tool required 2 parts, a low level exploit and an application layer exploit, the second part is the one that allow the code to be storage on the device so it can be invoke at boot. (which is what make the jailbreak untethered), that is the most complicated part to do without affecting the user experience. You cannot just store the code anywhere, I don't remember which version was it; where the code was stored on the bootsplash image and so many people complaint and called a bug and there were infinite amount of threads asking about it, they don't want to do that again.

 

[VKitty]

A fully releasable Jailbreaking tool required 2 parts, a low level exploit and an application layer exploit, the second part is the one that allow the code to be storage on the device so it can be invoke at boot. (which is what make the jailbreak untethered), that is the most complicated part to do without affecting the user experience. You cannot just store the code anywhere, I don't remember which version was it; where the code was stored on the bootsplash image and so many people complaint and called a bug and there were infinite amount of threads asking about it, they don't want to do that again.

This is my point.

I am not saying there is not JB, what I am saying that apple is now 2 steps ahead of this process.

If the JB process can not be giving to the masses, and if Apple is on 5.02 which is two steps ahead of the JB community. That to me is the same as if the iPhone has not been JB, because for me, it has not been.

 

[nepalisherpa]

This is my point.

I am not saying there is not JB, what I am saying that apple is now 2 steps ahead of this process.

If the JB process can not be giving to the masses, and if Apple is on 5.02 which is two steps ahead of the JB community. That to me is the same as if the iPhone has not been JB, because for me, it has not been.

LOL...just becase they are two versions behind does not mean Apple is two steps ahead! Apple could release 5.1 and JB community could find a hole in it.

 

[maturola]

This is my point.

I am not saying there is not JB, what I am saying that apple is now 2 steps ahead of this process.

If the JB process can not be giving to the masses, and if Apple is on 5.02 which is two steps ahead of the JB community. That to me is the same as if the iPhone has not been JB, because for me, it has not been.

I don't see your point , I don't see Apple being 2 steps or even 1 step ahead, nature of software is to evolve, iOS had become a more complex system and we are just adapting to it, no to mentioned that more people are aware of Jailbreaking, it is more popular and widespread so the expectations are higher, which had nothing to do with any apple's doings

 

[VKitty]

I don't see your point , I don't see Apple being 2 steps or even 1 step ahead, nature of software is to evolve, iOS had become a more complex system and we are just adapting to it

The JB Devs are going a great job, and I thank them for that.

The reason I say 2 steps is that if they were to force updates, and they have only been able to Jailbreak for 5.0 then if I am on 5.01 or 5.02 I lose my Jailbreak.

Also for the people that are on 5.01 and the Jailbreak is for 5.0 those people can not even Jailbreak their phone yet.

If Apple were to force updates, then we would all be forced to be on 5.01 (which as far as I know is not current Jailbreak version to be on). Which again would render our Jailbroken phones back to not Jailbroken.

Thats the reason I say 2 steps ahead. In previous iPhones, the JB would be out before the next update, sometimes, they would have the JB out while a version is still in Beta.


Again, the JB Devs are doing a great and fantastic job. I am not knocking them, I am just saying that Apple has stepped up their game, and seem to be gaining ground.

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Apple could release 5.1 and JB community could find a hole in it.

The JB community WILL find holes in every release apple puts out. The issue is time, and also into the hands of the masses.

If they can not give it to the masses, and they are the only ones with JB phones. To me it not Jailbroken.

 

[maturola]

Again, the JB Devs are doing a great and fantastic job. I am not knocking them, I am just saying that Apple has stepped up their game, and seem to be gaining ground.

I know exactly what you are saying, I just don't agree, IMO I don't see Apple 2 or 1 step ahead at all. and you keep saying that they haven;t be able to Jailbreaking anything above 5 which is not true. 5.0.1 and 5.1 beta had been jailbroken. and no they never released JB on beta to avoid apple patching the holes (without counting those that were leaks early)

 

[VKitty]

You keep saying that they haven't be able to Jailbreaking anything above 5 which is not true. 5.0.1 and 5.1 beta had been jailbroken. and no they never released JB on beta to avoid apple patching the holes (without counting those that were leaks early)

I am not saying that there is not a JB.. What I am saying is that they have not released one for everyone. If they do not have a JB for the masses, than they dont have a effective JB. Even though the JB Devs may have already JB theirs. Only they have it. So for the rest of us there still is no JB.

As for releasing JB early on beta, I didn't mean that.. What I ment was they had the JBs already done in beta, so that when the beta was released. a few weeks later the JB was out.

 

[Almy]

It is in the JB's best interest not to release it as soon as it is done. Also apple does not do forced updates. So really nothing has changed, it's been this way since the beginning.

 

[VitaliyT]

hopefully soon

 

[Fried Chicken]

Is there a way to delete the iOS 5.0.1 update that my iPhone 4s downloaded automatically to my phone.

I have OCD and seeing a notification that I have an update frustrates me.

 

[snowwhite007]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

New tweets are looking positive

 

[bigjnyc]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

New tweets are looking positive

Can you elaborate for those of us who dont use Twitter

 

[TriJetHero]

next development...

from Musclenerd on 12/9/11

"@MuscleNerd
MuscleNerd
Upcoming redsn0w release makes both TinyUmbrella and Cydia blob saves useful for 5.0+ (1st verifies, then stitches)"


"For time being, please just use most recent TU to save 5.0.1 blobs+APTicket...redsn0w will do the rest, should you need to restore."

"yep, both OS X and Windows"

 

[bigjnyc]

from Musclenerd on 12/9/11

"@MuscleNerd
MuscleNerd
Upcoming redsn0w release makes both TinyUmbrella and Cydia blob saves useful for 5.0+ (1st verifies, then stitches)"


"For time being, please just use most recent TU to save 5.0.1 blobs+APTicket...redsn0w will do the rest, should you need to restore."

"yep, both OS X and Windows"

Thank you. Sounds very promising! Patience is a virtue when we are getting this wonderfulness for free.

 

[CoachStall]

Thank you. Sounds very promising! Patience is a virtue when we are getting this wonderfulness for free.

i sorta said the same thing...

 

[olivierbt]

from Musclenerd on 12/9/11

"@MuscleNerd
MuscleNerd
Upcoming redsn0w release makes both TinyUmbrella and Cydia blob saves useful for 5.0+ (1st verifies, then stitches)"


"For time being, please just use most recent TU to save 5.0.1 blobs+APTicket...redsn0w will do the rest, should you need to restore."

"yep, both OS X and Windows"

Unfortunately, I don't speak this language.

Could someone clarify if it's good news for someone owning a 4s on 5.0.1 ?

Thank you !

 

[labman]

Unfortunately, I don't speak this language.

Could someone clarify if it's good news for someone owning a 4s on 5.0.1 ?

Thank you !

if your asking about 4S jailbreak that will probably come later the Iphone 4 A4 processor is easier to hack then the ipad2 and 4S Apple is just making it more and more difficult. however they are working hard. for now all this news does not apply to the 4S!