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Apple needs offering more variant of combination of CPU/GPU count, memory capacity and band width.

For now, I must go M1 Max to get 64GB of RAM, even I'm sure I'll never ever need 32 GPUs to utilize all that 400Gb of memory band width.

If I were to get new M1 Mac, I'll want a M1 Pro supporting max of 64GB or more; its 14 or 16 GPU cores are more than enough for my work load.
Yeah, a bit less flexibility, but that has been going away more and more previously as well (ie. pre Apple Silicon).

I'm guessing this (or even less options) will be the way going forward. It sucks if you, say, only need the CPU cores and RAM, but not GPU, etc. But, I suppose in general, tying them all together a bit makes sense for most uses. If you're buying a higher end machine, you'll probably want more RAM.
 
Considering we WILL see a 40 core MCM CPU next year, and we WILL see a 3nm CPU in next year's iPhone this really is a bet hard to lose, eh?
 
The M2 Max is going to be absolute beast. I hope game developers will start to port their games to Mac now that even the Air has a decent GPU on par with that of a modern iPhone.

I wouldn't be too excited yet. Yes, in theory we should see a lot of games pop up on the Mac simply from the fact that it shares the hardware with the iPad now, but when it comes to stuff you'd buy on Steam I don't see that happening in the near future if at all. As long as the Mac is in the sub 10% market share of actual personal computers being used to play games I really don't see AAA gaming coming to the Mac anytime soon. That Apple doesn't support Vulkan doesn't help.
 
Why? They got exactly what it said on the tin. Those machines didn't suddenly become less powerful (leaving aside all the internal expansion capabilities). If your workloads weren't heavily multithreaded, neither the iMac Pro nor the 2019 Mac Pro were a great choice. But if they were, they were pretty good.



He didn't exactly lie. He was, at the time, still hopeful that PowerPC was seeing a revival.



I don't understand this logic. The 2003 Power Mac G5 was a good machine. Better machines being released later on doesn't invalidate that.
Based on your photo, you weren't there. Jobs did lie and mislead people about the future of PowerPC and the G5.

On the other hand, the first generation Intel MacBook Pro were also overpriced badly engineered crap. There was no winner for a couple of years. Due to overpriced Mac Pros (which also quickly cycled generations) the most powerful and well-behaved Mac to run for about five or six years was a Hackintosh.

The M1 Macs have similar issues with memory management, hangs and spontaneous reboots (I have one here).

Take your notes people, Apple will strand current Intel Macs within three if not two years. If you can, now is the best time to stand on the sidelines for two years.
 
Based on your photo, you weren't there.


Based on your photo, you weren't there.
My first Mac was an LC. I was there long before Jobs’s return.
Jobs did lie and mislead people about the future of PowerPC and the G5.
Howso? Do you really think he would have bothered making big hay out of a partnership with IBM if he had thought they’d never deliver a 3 GHz G5? No. He was hoping they would. Then they didn’t, so he went with plan B.
On the other hand, the first generation Intel MacBook Pro were also overpriced badly engineered crap.
I literally had one of those, and no, it wasn’t.
There was no winner for a couple of years. Due to overpriced Mac Pros (which also quickly cycled generations) the most powerful and well-behaved Mac to run for about five or six years was a Hackintosh.

The M1 Macs have similar issues with memory management, hangs and spontaneous reboots (I have one here).
OK. (What?)
Take your notes people, Apple will strand current Intel Macs within three if not two years. If you can, now is the best time to stand on the sidelines for two years.
I’m not sure what ”stand on the sidelines” means. Obviously, Apple won’t be supporting Intel Macs for very long. But while they still work, which they do, just, uh, use them?
 
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Oh the irony…
 
That doesn't make ANY sense !

They've already over-shot their existing market by a wide margin !

The M1 Pro & M1 Max are over-kill for 99.9% of Apple's existing customer base !

I suspect what we're hearing about now is the 911 GT3 version, good for press coverage, but NOT a volume driver !
I think you underestimate quite a lot of the Mac using customer base. In fact the low end has usually gone to a Windows or even Chromebook user. But it's true that the now modest M1 SoC is fine for quite a lot of people.
 
Curious if they'll make Macs a yearly upgrade or will it be a few years — like can we expect a new iMac in 2022 with the newer chips? If so I'd hold off on purchasing one.
If they introduce new chips every year and new Macs every year, then would you hold off forever? With the parts shortages, that plan will probably be interrupted.
 
Imagine Chomrebooks with MacBook Air level performance. ARM-based servers that can do more than low-end virtual web hosting. Integrated graphics that nearly always outperform dedicated video cards. Intel’s problems won’t be losing some specific fringe markets. It will be competitors burning holes through it on many fronts like swiss cheese. Apple put a “phone chip” in computers that previously had top-of-the-line Intel processors and they got better in every measurable way. That did not go unnoticed in any corner of the industry.
I can see a lot of servers doing bitcoin mining switching to power efficient M1 Mac minis.
 
The M2 Max is going to be absolute beast. I hope game developers will start to port their games to Mac now that even the Air has a decent GPU on par with that of a modern iPhone.
Why do you think this? The A15 cores in the iPhone were barely any faster than the A14 cores. The next iteration probably has the best chance for reasonably improved performance (A16 based).
 
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I’m not sure what ”stand on the sidelines” means. Obviously, Apple won’t be supporting Intel Macs for very long. But while they still work, which they do, just, uh, use them?
Stand on the sidelines means use the Macs you already have which run on Intel chips. For the moment, they are 100% compatible with everything. The Apple Silicon prototypes (Mac Mini M1, MacBook Air M1, MacBook Pro 13", even the new 14" and 16" MBP) are just that prototypes and have issues with memory management and stability. If you don't need a new computer, now is a great time to wait. In a year or two, the software bugs will be worked out and the Apple Silicon hardware will be much more powerful.

You will have lost nothing but frustration and troubleshooting time by waiting. That said, there's a few edge cases where the M1 Macs will ben enough of an improvement (higher memory version M1 Pro/M1 Max for certain kinds of video editing or 3D rendering) to be worth the trouble as an early adopter. Yes, the recent Intel laptops are sufficiently awful in terms of overheating and fan noise (I had a 16" MBP 2019 in for testing and the fan noise was ultra annoying) that for CPU intensive work, it's worth moving now.

On the other hand, my Mac Pro 2010 12 core with a Radeon VII and 96 GB RAM continues to mow down anything else Apple has created since then.
 
Good times...

That's the thing, the G5 was a pretty fast chip. It just wasn't going to work well in laptops. But, neither was what Intel had until the Core series took off. I wonder how much influence Apple even had in that move?

I remember right before the transition, the G5 (in the 3D software I was using) was beating even custom built Intel boxes by a reasonable margin. While the roadmap might have not been what Apple wanted (and the Intel move the right decision), speed wasn't the issue.

The Intel years, in a way, were rather boring in that regard. Apple had no advantage except compatibility. We old Mac users remember the speed-wars between the platforms. :) I guess we're back to that again.
 
That's the thing, the G5 was a pretty fast chip. It just wasn't going to work well in laptops. But, neither was what Intel had until the Core series took off. I wonder how much influence Apple even had in that move?

Enough to get some insight into their roadmap. However, we already knew what was coming. The Pentium M was already a thing, and a much better choice for laptops than the Pentium 4 Mobile. They built new features on the M (multi-core support, virtualization, …) and scaled it up to replace their desktop CPUs as well, and that was that.

Meanwhile, IBM and Motorola did nothing. Their own PC hardware efforts were dead, Apple wasn’t big, and third parties had concentrated on x86. Would that be different with today’s level of Apple sales? Perhaps. But today’s level also means Apple no longer relies on third parties at all.
 
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Apple is gonna lay waste to Intel and the rest of the PC industry. Hard to see how Apple does NOT double its market share in 3-5 year time
The CCP has plans to help Intel get back in the game, by taking over Taiwan, then directing all TSMC production to Chinese companies. Apple (and others) will be in big trouble, left to beg Samsung and invest in Intel.
 
The CCP has plans to help Intel get back in the game, by taking over Taiwan, then directing all TSMC production to Chinese companies. Apple (and others) will be in big trouble, left to beg Samsung and invest in Intel.
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The CCP has plans to help Intel get back in the game, by taking over Taiwan, then directing all TSMC production to Chinese companies. Apple (and others) will be in big trouble, left to beg Samsung and invest in Intel.

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Apple could afford US$12 billion for their own foundry, "Made in USA"...
 
The Radeon VII isn’t even that new. I suspect it won’t “mow down” a W6000 series.
I use my computer to do work and process photos and edit video, not run benchmarks. A Mac Pro Classic 12 core (I have a 3.1 GHz so it's much quieter than a 3.33 or 3.46) outruns an M1 Mac Mini handily, despite being 3x slower in single processor benchmarks and slightly slower on multi-processor benchmarks. The Radeon VII smokes any current Mac GPU. Big thanks to @tsialex and collaborators here for enabling hardware acceleration in Radeon GPU. This is why Apple won't let us have towers: so they can force us to throw away computers to upgrade GPU (which is where the action is these days with photo-video software).

By the time, your M1 Pro and M1 Max OS and applications are running smoothly, the M2 Max will be out and your state of the art systems will be under-specced and obsolete.

Jumping in early on a system architecture change is just silly for those with work to do and who would rather spend their money on either charity or creative projects.*

Of course, Tim Cook needs the money and welcomes yours.

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* Exception made for those who must have a mobile workflow as the last nine years of MacBook and MacBook Pros has really stunk it up with fragile keyboards, burnt out graphic cards, high fan noise, no ports, etc.
 
Based on your photo, you weren't there. Jobs did lie and mislead people about the future of PowerPC and the G5.

On the other hand, the first generation Intel MacBook Pro were also overpriced badly engineered crap. There was no winner for a couple of years. Due to overpriced Mac Pros (which also quickly cycled generations) the most powerful and well-behaved Mac to run for about five or six years was a Hackintosh.

The M1 Macs have similar issues with memory management, hangs and spontaneous reboots (I have one here).

Take your notes people, Apple will strand current Intel Macs within three if not two years. If you can, now is the best time to stand on the sidelines for two years.
Clearly you weren't around either. The Mac Pro's at the start of the Intel era were not over priced. Infact they were far better spec than you could configure a PC/Hackingtosh for. The only thing stopping the 1,1 2,1 and 3,1 Mac Pro's was Apple crippling them by claiming that they could run more recent OS's. Something which has been proven to be a joke by the various patches/mods that are currently around.

Yes Apple screwed over PPC G5 users and no doubt they'll do the same to Intel users. They do lie and many just wipe it under the carpet. Sadly in many peoples eyes Apple can do no wrong even when they screw users over.
 
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