Future Apple Silicon Macs Will Reportedly Use 3nm Chips With Up to 40 Cores

[grilledcheesesandwich]

I feel sorry for those who purchased the maxed out Mac Pro's (2019).

Don't worry about professionals. They already made back the purchase price & then some.

 

[NMBob]

Apple is gonna lay waste to Intel and the rest of the PC industry. Hard to see how Apple does NOT double its market share in 3-5 year time

THEN will they be considered a monopoly and have to give up on the not being one argument?

 

[chucker23n1]

Curious if they'll make Macs a yearly upgrade or will it be a few years — like can we expect a new iMac in 2022 with the newer chips? If so I'd hold off on a purchasing one.

Well, we already know they aren't (so far) updating the MacBook Air and Mac mini on an annual schedule. The Air is probably coming in spring, so that's 18 months. Perhaps that's their goal; in that case, we'll see the next MBP in early 2023.

Well, if you think of someone that bought a afterburner card for US$ 2k and the new laptop costs 500 more with 2 built in encoders AND decoders. (not counting the price of the MP)

No, I get that, but the Afterburner doesn't suddenly stop working or be less valuable just because an M1 Pro has a ProRes decoder built right in.

 

[RalfTheDog]

Why are so many of you hellbent that Intel folds? Is your fanboyism so great that you actually want a monopoly? Do you not remember what lack of competition looked like for Intel? Consumers lost for years.

You really want that to happen again?

I don't want Intel to go away. I do want the Intel architecture to die. Even Intel publicly states, they need to dump their current CISC for RISC. They could license ARM. They could come up with their own. Their current framework is far too complicated.

I agree. If you work with Adobe, Autodesk, Unity, Avid, Final Cut Pro, Ableton, Blender, Xcode, etc., it’s a needed upgrade.

If you’re watching Netflix in bed, I don’t know why you wouldn’t get an iPad?

Screen size.

 

[visualseed]

Why are so many of you hellbent that Intel folds? Is your fanboyism so great that you actually want a monopoly? Do you not remember what lack of competition looked like for Intel? Consumers lost for years.

You really want that to happen again?

I hope intel stays in business. What I want to see them do is embrace SOCs with tightly integrated GPUs, RAM and storage and bring the entire PC world with them kicking and screaming. They will have plenty of competition from AMD, NVidia, Qualcomm, Samsung, etc.. Who will all do the same thing.

 

[now i see it]

And in 10 years, they’ll be considered obsolete pokey slow things that nobody wants

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

And in 10 years, they’ll be considered obsolete pokey slow things that nobody wants

That’s how technology works. Always evolving though!

 

[jmgregory1]

Watched MKBHD’s latest review of the M1 Pro and Max MBP’s and he was blown away by the performance. He also made a point about what we could expect with the M1/2 based Mac Pro, whenever that gets released. Apple is definitely leading the market with performance per watt, and that isn’t likely to change going forward. The best that any competitors can hope for at this point, be they Intel, AMD, Samsung or Google, is to catch up to where Apple is today, at some point in the next 3-5 years. Of course Apple will have advanced further by then too. It’s certainly getting difficult to imagine that Apple will get leap-frogged by anyone, unless there are advancements in quantum computing.

 

[Bounce1]

And in 10 years, they’ll be considered obsolete pokey slow things that nobody wants

Because then we all have 1000 core M10 Max implanted in our heads doing serious Matrix level VR stuff

 

[ddtmm]

With Intel apparently also planning on using n3 we will see what happens

TSMC Confirms 3nm Delay: What This Means For TSM Stock

TSMC has finally confirmed that the shifted N3 cadence is due to a delay. This reduces TSMC’s competitiveness against Samsung and Intel. Read more here.

seekingalpha.com

Great article. Really good insight. Thanks!

 

[svish]

So successor to M1 Pro/Max should probably be launched in 2023. Maybe with the next Macbook Pro refresh

 

[jz0309]

nothing really surprising here, new(er) process, more cores - why would anyone expect anything different??

 

[macintoshmac]

forums be filled with anxiety about newer chips with more cores. M1 Max is so yesterday.

 

[jz0309]

Intel did fine before Apple and will do fine after. But I like Apple lighting a fire under them. Being flexible is good.

and competition is a great thing - for all of us

 

[Marshall73]

Intel Alder Lake reviews are out today - about as fast as AMD's current chips but use twice the power of AMD, which itself uses at least twice the power of M1s. Intel's HQ should make for a nice museum.

Power usage will drop dramatically “when” intel gets to 5nm. But will be higher than AMD if they keep pushing into 5Ghz clock speeds. Who knows how long it’s going to take them to get down to 5nm as they are just on 10nm at the moment, even if they try to dress it up as equivalent to 7nm, LOL

 

[FindingAvalon]

Intel, x86, and Microsoft did not dominate the market because they were always faster or more economical.
In fact there have been more than one occasion where there were better, faster, cheaper alternatives and yet it barely affected them.
I am happy for Apple and want them to do well, but if you believe this will destroy Intel and "PC" then you must be new here.
Which is fine. But it ain't gonna happen unless Apple opens up. Apple will never open up again.

You really don’t understand the processor business nor can you see the “big picture”.

 

[Bandaman]

In the future computers will get faster and more efficient!? ?

Not if you’re Intel.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

That doesn't make ANY sense !

They've already over-shot their existing market by a wide margin !

The M1 Pro & M1 Max are over-kill for 99.9% of Apple's existing customer base !

ah yes, absolutely perfect market strategy.
“The current ones are fast enough, absolutely no need for any future improvement.
Close down the R&D department, tell TSMC to give up, M1Max will never become dated, it’s the processor to end all processors, it will never be improved, it’s just perfect.”
Btw, even though it’s extremely impressive, it’s still outclassed by the Intel Mac Pro in certain circumstances.

 

[Bandaman]

Power usage will drop dramatically “when” intel gets to 5nm. But will be higher than AMD if they keep pushing into 5Ghz clock speeds. Who knows how long it’s going to take them to get down to 5nm as they are just on 10nm at the moment, even if they try to dress it up as equivalent to 7nm, LOL

They’ll get to 5 nm in about 10 years at the rate they’re going.

 

[pi=e=3]

Intel Alder Lake reviews are out today - about as fast as AMD's current chips but use twice the power of AMD, which itself uses at least twice the power of M1s. Intel's HQ should make for a nice museum.

You realize how tiny the Mac market share is right?

Intel could care less, there's like zero overlap with their customer base and Apple's. Intel still has a ton of very long standing agreements with OEMs (this is why you see so few AMD laptops), and they are still very popular in the pro-sumer market.

 

[Bandaman]

You realize how tiny the Mac market share is right?

Intel could care less, there's like zero overlap with their customer base and Apple's. Intel still has a ton of very long standing agreements with OEMs (this is why you see so few AMD laptops), and they are still very popular in the pro-sumer market.

If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have made a statement saying they’re going to try and win Apple back. Nobody wants to lose a client in which you provide millions of your products for, regardless if that’s considered “tiny”…

 

[citysnaps]

Do you REALLY think software developers can't come up with ways to use all that power?

In my experience, there is no amount of power that is ever too much for software developers.

Rather, computing power is a bottle neck that once removed or significantly eased, will usher in a new generation of apps, services, and possibly even devices.

That's the exciting part. That's where Apple is headed. LFG!

AI, AR, and VR can, depending how far you want to take it.

 

[jjswan33]

Intel Alder Lake reviews are out today - about as fast as AMD's current chips but use twice the power of AMD, which itself uses at least twice the power of M1s. Intel's HQ should make for a nice museum.

Alder Lake is for Desktops. So who cares about power consumption when gaming on a desktop?

 

[Warfie]

Apple is gonna lay waste to Intel and the rest of the PC industry. Hard to see how Apple does NOT double its market share in 3-5 year time

If that were true we'd have seen Apple significantly expanding its share in the mobile space given its dominance in performance over Qualcomm, but we haven't - market share in the US against Android has decreased. People are locked into their ecosystems at this point and Apple's products are priced at a premium for top level specs.

I agree, surely it will gain some market share but I seriously doubt that a lot of PC users will switch to Apple, they won't be able to run 100% of the software they could today, and not everybody is rendering 8K videos 24/7.
Plus gaming, which is an underestimated topic.

At the same time, thanks to competition, AMD, Intel and Microsoft will improve their products.
Even if they will not offer the best and very expensive machines for content creation, will still be a good choice for people that make a mixed use of PC, which are the vast majority of the consumers population.

After more than 10 years of being an Macbook consumer I can see my self into switching to a Windows laptop next time, ironically after having switched to Iphone from Android last year.
Most of the people will buy what they need, not what has higher specs (wasn't this a typical Apple user motto?)

 

[Michael Scrip]

No, I get that, but the Afterburner doesn't suddenly stop working or be less valuable just because an M1 Pro has a ProRes decoder built right in.

You're exactly right. They can still use their Afterburner-equipped Mac Pro just like they always have.

I think the issue comes when they realize they spent $20,000 on a Mac Pro a couple years ago specifically to edit video... and now a $2,000 laptop actually beats it in a few ways!

It's gotta feel like a kick in the nuts.

You're right though... they already have the Mac Pro... they got to use it for the last two years... and it's probably paid for by now. So it wasn't actually wasted.