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Future Apple Silicon Macs Will Reportedly Use 3nm Chips With Up to 40 Cores
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I wouldn't be so sure. I agree that Apple is unlikely to buy off the shelf processers from Intel anytime soon or ever since they now have their own design and they likely see the advantage of continuing that. They could easily look to Intel to make future products for them with Apple's design assuming they can release a better technology. Apple does have a history of diversifying it's suppliers when it can.
If I were in the market for a desktop it's a consideration I'd make. I've had Windows desktop towers in the past that doubled as space heaters, which is great in the winter but not so much in the summer.
Because it’s worth comparing a mobile chip when it’s performing almost as well as a desktop class chip at 1/10th the power draw. This isn’t a hard concept to grasp.
Exactly. It sure would be great if the entire world was reliant on one chip fab in Taiwan.
Intel doesn’t care what Apple is doing for the Mac. It’s the perception of what Intel is not doing that matters. Apple Silicon is going to give intel customers more reason to look at ARM solutions from a variety of different vendors. And the first ones that put competitive performance numbers on the board are really going to cut into Intel’s chip sales. In all the ways Microsoft’s first ARM-based Surface made people dismiss ARM for laptops and desktops in favor of Intel, the ARM-based Macs are making them reconsider it. Companies like Qualcomm or Nvidia could have viable ARM SOCs ready long before Intel can and that is a huge concern for them.
Today's Apple Silicon chips & form factors vs those rumored to be out in 2022.
Watch the video below for an explanation how Apple will possibly use TSMC's updated chiplet tech to attain such insane transistor counts.
As early as 2025 we can see TSMC's 2nm node process be applied to iPhones then the rest of Apple silicon devices. If 5nm & 2nm are not marketing terms but actual measures then expect the chips to shrink by ~60%.
| Form Factor (As of 6 Nov 2021) | Mac Pro iMac Pro | Mac mini Pro Mac Pro iMac Pro | MBP 14" MBP 16" Mac mini Pro iMac 24" iMac Pro | MBP 14" MBP 16" Mac mini Pro iMac 24" | MBA MBP 13" iMac 24" Mac mini 2021 iPad Pro | iPhone 13 iPhone 13 mini iPhone 13 Pro iPhone 13 Pro Max 2021 iPad Mini | 300mm² Silicon Wafer |
| Apple silicon chip | M1 Max Jade-4C | M1 Max Jade-2C | M1 Max | M1 Pro | M1 | A15 | ? |
| Launch | Q2 or Q4 2022 | Q2 or Q4 2022 | Q4 2021 | Q4 2021 | Q4 2020 | Q3 2021 | ? |
| # of dies | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 49 |
| CPU | 40 | 20 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 6 | 490 |
| performance cores | 32 | 16 | 8 | 8 | 4 | 2 | 392 |
| efficiency cores | 8 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 98 |
| GPU core | 128 | 64 | 32 | 16 | 8 | 5 | 1568 |
| Neural Engine core | 64 | 32 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 784 |
| memory bandwidth | 1,600GB/s | 800GB/s | 400GB/s | 200GB/s | 68.2GB/s | 68.2GB/s | 19.6TB/s |
| Max Memory | 256GB | 128GB | 64GB | 32GB | 16GB | 6GB | 3,136GB |
| Hardware-accelerated H.264, HEVC, ProRes, and ProRes RAW | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | - | - | 49 |
| Video decode engines | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | - | - | 49 |
| Video encode engines | 8 | 4 | 2 | 1 | - | - | 98 |
| ProRes encode and decode engines | 8 | 4 | 2 | 1 | - | - | 98 |
| Transistors at TMSC's 5nm (2020) 173 million transistors per mm² | 228 Billion | 114 Billion | 57 Billion | 33.7 Billion | 16 Billion | 15 Billion | 5.19 Trillion |
| Estimated Die Size | 8.502cm² | 6.3765cm² | 4.251cm² | 2.513cm² | 1.19cm² | 1.116cm² | 30cm² |
| Estimated AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Performance | 4x | 2x | 1x | - | - | - | 49x |
| Estimated RTX 3080 Performance | 4x | 2x | 1x | - | - | - | 49x |
| Estimated Transistors at IBM's 2nm (2025) 333 million transistors per mm² | 438.87 Billion | 219.43 Billion | 109.72 Billion | 64.87 Billion | 30.8 Billion | 28.87 Billion | 9.99 Trillion |
Watch the video below for an explanation how Apple will possibly use TSMC's updated chiplet tech to attain such insane transistor counts.
As early as 2025 we can see TSMC's 2nm node process be applied to iPhones then the rest of Apple silicon devices. If 5nm & 2nm are not marketing terms but actual measures then expect the chips to shrink by ~60%.
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Apple is just showing off at this point 🤣
If these rumors are true, these chips would be crazy powerful.
If these rumors are true, these chips would be crazy powerful.
Na.
Anyone purchasing any type of technology knows that, no matter how much money they spend on it and how impressive it may be, it can and most likely will be easily outclassed within months by something quieter, cheaper, cooler, prettier.
Hell, just a couple weeks ago you could purchase a 16 inch Intel MacBook pro for over $6000 that the baseline $1999 M1pro MacBook Pro absolutely smokes today.
That’s just how technology goes
Exactly. Intel is in a very different business than Apple is. BUT Intel did fall victim to some of the issues that Steve Jobs often talked about. Companies become addicted to the business they are currently doing and do not look forward. They begin to sacrifice functionality or ability to protect what they have. I think Jobs greatest legacy was that - keep moving forward, changing things and trying new things. Getting complacent in tech means your eventual death.
All points did not apply to Intel PCs.
It's one or the either. Not all points.For >80% of users the base model will fully address all their concerns.
If someone wants a guide then anyone with an Intel Mac and the money should buy any Mac with Apple Silicon today.
For those less liquid upgrade from a 2015-2016 or earlier Mac to any Mac with Apple Silicon today.
Of course technology advances.
But in Marques' case... I don't think even he was expecting these new Macbooks to do a better job with his videos than some of his other super-expensive computers. It was quite a jump.
Luckily for him... he doesn't have to carry 50lbs of iMac Pro + giant rolling Pelican case to edit videos at events anymore.
He can now do it with a 5lb laptop.
Of course technology advances.
But in Marques' case... I don't think even he was expecting these new Macbooks to do a better job with his videos than some of his other super-expensive computers. It was quite a jump.
Luckily for him... he doesn't have to carry 50lbs of iMac Pro + giant rolling Pelican case to edit videos at events anymore.
He can now do it with a 5lb laptop.
Or the future requirements change and he needs to use a 2022 Mac Pro because a laptop won‘t meet the new requirements. This has always been the case for me. People still doing yesterday’s work can save a few bucks, but doing tomorrow’s work, today, will always require deep pockets.
Why does every one of your posts drip with "paid shilling"?
So my reading of this report suggests that there are 10 cores in this upcoming chip, which is exactly the same as the current M1 Pro/Max.
Sure, you can stitch 4 of these together and get 40 cores, but that's going to be a Mac Pro only kind of thing.
So really we are going to be looking at architectural improvements and clock speed boosts from the newer process?
I'm sure it will be very good, but I very much doubt a 40 core config will be getting into a laptop any time soon.
Kind of crazy the change in dialog regarding the Mac from just a few years ago where I remember many members on here thought Apple was going to cannibalize the Mac in favor of iPad and iPhone. That has proven to be completely opposite the case.
Well unless they fire many of their hires from the last several years, I don't see it changing. They found out the hard way that you can't promote people based on something other than qualification to leadership positions without consequences.
Funny how any white dude hire is automatically assumed to be hired based on qualifications while every not-white-dude is automatically assumed to be a "diversity hire" despite (which is something multi-billion dollar corporations are definitely going to waste money on)
There is no assumption here. Apple literally has a diversity score that it uses to rate its hiring process. This is public information. They openly have offensive hiring policies that they deliberately engage in. They are doing everything they can to hire people based on race, gender, and sexual identity. The more marginalized the better, as it ticks more notches on their diversity score. Don't believe me? Google it. This disgusting crap is actually real.
And no one can hide the fact that this effort at Apple has paralleled their decline in quality.
Mac: M3 - *Hardware accelerated RT (Part 1)
It is nothing new. AMD uses something similar: Yes, Apple would need a super fast bus connections between chips. No, it is cost effective solution. AMD proved this. Architecture updated with cross connections 🙂
For a lot of users you are probably correct but keep in mind that there will always be those who require faster computing.
I also think that many of the tests we see on the internet for the new machines tend to be specifically focused on areas where we would expect the new laptops to perform well. It's very nice that the new machines can edit video in FinalCut Pro faster than their predecessors but not everyone is cutting video. For me the real test is how they handle corporate tasks like running Windows so I can run MS apps like Visio and Project. You may not like Visio but for the vast majority of corporate use MS has succeeded in making it the application of choice.
My point is that not all Mac use cases are creative ones. Some of us have to use our Macs for boring corporate work as well. I'd love to see a review of how the new Macs handle the widely used, albeit boring, corporate apps.
