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Dell XPS are great machines. Kabylake 13" available now. 15" arriving march. Great selection of ports (usb 3.1, SD-card, Thunderbolt 3, ...), great keyboard and build-quality AND the option for "only" a Full HD screen, matte antireflective. Which, in my book, is the most "professional choice" for a Laptop. 4K on a 13" is a joke, also on 15" still. My opinion though. You can get up to 14-16 hours of battery out of the Full HD XPSs. That's awesome.

Still Windows though.

Dells have poor build quality. Got two Dell chromebooks and on one the audio went out, and on the second one the key fell out. If you look at reviews on Amazon the dell xpses have like 33% had bad reviews due to poor build quality. Dells are only great when they're new until they inevitably break.
 
i do not understand the comments on this sight sometimes, if they add more ram and lower the price apple get complaints, if they put up prices and don't add more ram they get complaints. and also people should remember Steve Jobs also created some right old rubbish also don't keep hammering Cook.
 
1)New Macbooks coming!...in late 2019

2)Unless OLED is going to give you a 2+ hour battery boost while actively using the laptop, stop with the battery advertising. I'm really sick of the non-stop "better battery life" claims that give 10 minutes here and 20 minutes there...and that's under strict conditions of throttling your CPU way down and hibernating your drive every 5 minutes and dimming the display after 1 minute, disabling wifi, etc. It's not just Apple with all these battery claims, HOWEVER, Apple seems to lead its Marketing with battery life and also thinness. Maybe if it was a little thicker (gasp!), Apple could plop in a slightly larger battery (adding a, gasp again!, 0.3 pounds of weight).

The computer world needs a giant leap in battery technology if the goal is to make laptops, on average, last 8+ hours of non-stop use (such as while at work) or 24+ hours while being used intermittently such as commuting or light travel.

I believe the battery focus is such a far-too-important feature for the vast majority of consumers...laptops are cool and hip because they're portable and functional. But when you really sit down and think about it (the 90% of consumers), how often are you going to need 6+ hours of battery life? A plane ride or a power outtage really. Otherwise, you're sitting at your desk/home plugged into the wall (for at least a little while). And if you want to surf on the couch for 6 hours, a full recharge is usually 3 hours or less.

Part of the reason the battery industry has not developed a 24+ hour battery for laptops is because the need has not been there. People charge their laptops while they sleep for 6+ hours. The laptops are charging at least a few hours while at work if not all day at work. Laptops charge at the hotel room while you have dinner and fun. Most commercial planes in the USA have power outlets in each seat. And again, laptops charge from completely empty to full capacity in under 3 hours.
 
1)New Macbooks coming!...in late 2019

2)Unless OLED is going to give you a 2+ hour battery boost while actively using the laptop, stop with the battery advertising. I'm really sick of the non-stop "better battery life" claims that give 10 minutes here and 20 minutes there...and that's under strict conditions of throttling your CPU way down and hibernating your drive every 5 minutes and dimming the display after 1 minute, disabling wifi, etc. It's not just Apple with all these battery claims, HOWEVER, Apple seems to lead its Marketing with battery life and also thinness. Maybe if it was a little thicker (gasp!), Apple could plop in a slightly larger battery (adding a, gasp again!, 0.3 pounds of weight).

The computer world needs a giant leap in battery technology if the goal is to make laptops, on average, last 8+ hours of non-stop use (such as while at work) or 24+ hours while being used intermittently such as commuting or light travel.

I believe the battery focus is such a far-too-important feature for the vast majority of consumers...laptops are cool and hip because they're portable and functional. But when you really sit down and think about it (the 90% of consumers), how often are you going to need 6+ hours of battery life? A plane ride or a power outtage really. Otherwise, you're sitting at your desk/home plugged into the wall (for at least a little while). And if you want to surf on the couch for 6 hours, a full recharge is usually 3 hours or less.

Part of the reason the battery industry has not developed a 24+ hour battery for laptops is because the need has not been there. People charge their laptops while they sleep for 6+ hours. The laptops are charging at least a few hours while at work if not all day at work. Laptops charge at the hotel room while you have dinner and fun. Most commercial planes in the USA have power outlets in each seat. And again, laptops charge from completely empty to full capacity in under 3 hours.
Indeed. OLED battery savings are too little to notice. You can save more juice by optimising everything else.
 
Yes drop the prices of Retina and hike up OLED :)

A new reason for price increase, also im sure they will have ONLY high end Iphone with OLED
 
Dells have poor build quality. Got two Dell chromebooks and on one the audio went out, and on the second one the key fell out. If you look at reviews on Amazon the dell xpses have like 33% had bad reviews due to poor build quality. Dells are only great when they're new until they inevitably break.

I believe it's the vocal minority. There's plenty of problems with Mac hardware too. But generally, yes Macs have higher build quality. No question about that. But in the real world Lenovos and XPSs are the next best thing.
 
Yeah, but it gets 4-5 hours battery life. It's the worst on the market for it.

The non-touch model with an 84w battery gets double digit battery life.

The low battery life is on the 4K Ultra HD model... and it's entirety due to that screen, and nothing to do with Skylake or RAM.
 
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Wow. The machine has barely been announced and there's already talk of the next rev.

I'm starting to think it's best to just buy the lowest end machine and renew every 3 years instead of trying to keep the machine as long as possible.
 
another article that's sadly very true. I really hope Apple starts getting their act together. Otherwise MSrumors (if there is one) might be a more interesting site than macrumors
http://mashable.com/2016/10/27/microsoft-better-apple/#ZpRunVg6tqqy

I went to my nearby MS store yesterday to check out the Surface Studio. Actually pretty cool. If I had the money, I'd definitely consider it. It was way more innovative and useful for me than a touchbar. However, I still wish it ran macOS & had Apple support. I've pretty much always had good experiences with Apple support and bad with MS.

slimmer and thinner...
no thank you.
Thin enough. More battery. More Power. More Ram. More accurate color-displays.

But NO, NOT thinner and lighter please.
And NO more HIPSTER-emoji-bar.

I agree with you, I'd like better battery life and maybe more processing power. However, there's probably more people who care about thinness than people like us who care about power. As a company who cares about maximizing profits, who do think Apple will target? My only thing is if Apple can make certain components slimmer while retaining the same, if not better, quality, I'm all for it. That just means more room for other stuff like batteries, RAM, and getting the SD card reader back. Plus, I've seen way too many times someone "lose" their laptop or iPad because they put a sheet of paper or two on it. A single sheet and you can't even see it. There's thin and then there's too thin.
 
I believe it's the vocal minority. There's plenty of problems with Mac hardware too. But generally, yes Macs have higher build quality. No question about that. But in the real world Lenovos and XPSs are the next best thing.


Dell pre-2014 is radically different to their revised XPS line, I think that's where the confusion comes from.

The current XPS line is the same build quality as Apple or the new Razers.
 
Looking forward to screen burn-in and color shift over time. :(

With OLED, every pixel has a "half-life" depending on how long its on. It's inevitable that screens will burn in. It's less of an issue with phones, since those tend to get replaced a bit more often, but on laptops which you tend to keep for 4-5 years, with the screen being on for hours at a time when using it, it WILL be a problem. Especially with static images on the display like the menu bar with Apple logo.

Unless Apple has somehow solved this problem, which I doubt they have since they don't manufacture the panels.
 
I can't wait to see what these will $ell for.

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I shudder to think of the massive price hike and sales persons trying to persuade potential (rich) buyers that dongles are the best things since sliced bread
 
The non-touch model with an 84w battery gets double digit battery life.

The low battery life is on the 4K Ultra HD model... and it's entirety due to that screen, and nothing to do with Skylake or RAM.

The non-touch model has nearly half the resolution of the retina MacBook Pro though and from the benchmarks i've seen, still doesn't get double digit battery life.
 
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The non-touch model has nearly half the resolution of the retina MacBook Pro though and from the benchmarks i've seen, still doesn't get double digit battery life.


My partner's goes all work day and only gets charged at night... that's 10+ hours, mixed use.

There's a 54whr and an 84whr version - maybe the benchmarks you've seen are for the former?


My point wasn't about Dell though, it's about Apple's... curious... Skylake/32gb battery claims.
 
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