Galaxy S8 plus or keep 7plus

[I7guy]

Good enough to thrash the Iphone 7 plus in drain test.
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In that case can buy the C9 Pro or A-series which are lower priced and yet can do everything xiaomi and oneplus can do. Of all the samsung I have owned over the years, none of them needed to go back to service center. Maybe I am lucky or maybe I don't hold the phone for too long. So I don't really know Samsung service is. What I know is their service centre only do warranty repair for locally bought phones. If your phone is bought in another country, you have to pay for repair eventhough it is under warranty. I don't know how Apple warranty is. Does it cover worldwide or not?



Why should iphone be different? You use the iphone in the same context as you use an android phone. Android and iphone are competing against each other so there should not be double-standard when it comes to iphone.

btw: I am not offended. And alsothis thread is about the iPhone 7 vs s8.

The difference is very little differentiation in the android world and if all you care about is file system, Facebook and camera you can get a phone for free or you can overpay and get a galaxy s8. You can say same for iPhone but then you factor in longevity, value, support and that the iPhone works seamlessly and much better with your other idevices than android does with windows, may make a difference.

 

[mib1800]

The difference is very little differentiation in the android world and if all you care about is file system, Facebook and camera you can get a phone for free or you can overpay and get a galaxy s8. You can say same for iPhone but then you factor in longevity, value, support and that the iPhone works seamlessly and much better with your other idevices than android does with windows, may make a difference.

If you are not totally into idevices then iPhone is much worse off than s8. Most of world are with windows or google or a mix. This factor is actually a disadvantage to iphone.

Support is a tricky thing. For iPhone it is essential. If you dont upgrade OS, all apps cannot update as well. Android has no such issue. And all the issues running new iOS on older devices is another factor against Apple mandatory updates. Also you get screwed into paying excessive price for non-warranty repair since apple controls this as well.

Longevity is also an oversell. How many really use their phone beyond 2 years?

 

[I7guy]

If you are not totally into idevices then iPhone is much worse off than s8. Most of world are with windows or google or a mix. This factor is actually a disadvantage to iphone.

Support is a tricky thing. For iPhone it is essential. If you dont upgrade OS, all apps cannot update as well. Android has no such issue. And all the issues running new iOS on older devices is another factor against Apple mandatory updates. Also you get screwed into paying excessive price for non-warranty repair since apple controls this as well.

Longevity is also an oversell. How many really use their phone beyond 2 years?

Some of what you say is true, but I also say that on Samsung support is mandatory and difficult/impossible to get when needed.

Frankly I don't care if my neighbor uses windows or google, I only care about what I need and use. That Apple has an integrated ecosystem is the biggest advantage over the competition.

I dont have any issues running the latest iOS versions on older hardware so I'm not sure what you are referring to, might be the same as running newer android versions on old hardware but I don't know.

I use my phones for at least 4 years, my 5s is running great on iOS 11.

 

[mib1800]

Some of what you say is true, but I also say that on Samsung support is mandatory and difficult/impossible to get when needed.

Frankly I don't care if my neighbor uses windows or google, I only care about what I need and use. That Apple has an integrated ecosystem is the biggest advantage over the competition.

Like I said before the above is not unique to apple. If you just use all Samsung devices, you have a much wider and deeper integration than what Apple can provide.

I dont have any issues running the latest iOS versions on older hardware so I'm not sure what you are referring to, might be the same as running newer android versions on old hardware but I don't know.

I got that impression from people here who said that about new IOS. The thing with Android updates is that the newer version is specifically written/tested/deployed to one and only one single hardware. This is unlike Apple where the same software update image is used on many generations of devices.

As discussed before, almost all apps have been decoupled from the Android OS core. So it is not critical (unlike iOS) if the phone does not have the latest Android. Phone with older OS still can run the latest apps.

I use my phones for at least 4 years, my 5s is running great on iOS 11.

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Didnt you say you have the 7 plus?

 

[I7guy]

Like I said before the above is not unique to apple. If you just use all Samsung devices, you have a much wider and deeper integration than what Apple can provide.

Except neither android nor Samsung has better ecosystem integration than Apple in terms of computing. Now if you want to integrate with your refrigerator ok.

I got that impression from people here who said that about new IOS. The thing with Android updates is that the newer version is specifically written/tested/deployed to one and only one single hardware. This is unlike Apple where the same software update image is used on many generations of devices.

That is my one off anecdotal experience. iPad 2 running iOS 9, iPhone 5s running iOS 11 etc, iPhone 6 running iOS 10 etc. ymmv and another's persons anecdotal reply does not invalidate mine.

As discussed before, almost all apps have been decoupled from the Android OS core. So it is not critical (unlike iOS) if the phone does not have the latest Android. Phone with older OS still can run the latest apps.

As discussed before major functionality is delivered in new iOS versions. Apple has started to decouple apps as well.

Didnt you say you have the 7 plus?

I've got a bunch of IPhones.

 

[Geert76]

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As discussed before major functionality is delivered in new iOS versions.

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haha...yeah cause all of those iOS updates the last 2 years gave us really some new functionality.

Apple is a master in releasing iOS updates, most of them are just placebo (or very very tiny under the hood refinements) updates.

Any idea why Apple is releasing so many very very tiny under the hood iOS updates for the last 2 years?

try to find the anwer in a pure marketing corner

 

[I7guy]

[QUOTE="I7guy, post: 24664993, member: 863841"

As discussed before major functionality is delivered in new iOS versions.

haha...yeah cause all of those iOS updates the last 2 years gave us really some new functionality.

Apple is a master in releasing iOS updates, most of them are just placebo (or very very tiny under the hood refinements) updates.

Any idea why Apple is releasing so many very very tiny under the hood iOS updates for the last 2 years?

try to find the anwer in a pure marketing corner

I don't know about you but I'm using the major functional iOS upgrades delivered in the last few years.

It's quite ok, if you feel these upgrades aren't to the scale you feel they should be. Difference of opinion and all that.

My guess Apple is releasing incremental upgrades is security patches, something that android rarely sees.

 

[Geert76]

My guess Apple is releasing incremental upgrades is security patches, something that android rarely sees.

You should read again what this topic is about. I see the words iPhone and Samsung, not Android

Samsung releases monthly security updates.

Most of your posts are simply false. Not Just this In, topic by the way.

Its almost funny to see how brainwashed you are by Apples marketing

 

[I7guy]

You should read again what this topic is about. I see the words iPhone and Samsung, not Android

Samsung releases monthly security updates.

Most of your posts are simply false. Not Just this In, topic by the way.

Its almost funny to see how brainwashed you are by Apples marketing

Samsung may release updates for its software but not every handset gets these updates unlike Apple.

Most of what you post about Apple is also hyperbole in most of the threads, since you bring up that topic. And I'll ignore your attempt at insults.

 

[mib1800]

Except neither android nor Samsung has better ecosystem integration than Apple in terms of computing. Now if you want to integrate with your refrigerator ok.

Hyperbole.

Google and/or Microsoft integration is as good or better without hardware dependency.

The joke with apple integration is many who bought mac use it to run windows.

 

[I7guy]

Hyperbole.

Google and/or Microsoft integration is as good or better without hardware dependency.

The joke with apple integration is many who bought mac use it to run windows.

Hyperbole is right I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[mib1800]

Hyperbole is right I agree wholeheartedly.

Right back at you.

But seriously what is so great about apple integration considering most of us use windows at work. At home for most people it is unlikely they will have only apple computing hardware in their home. You may want to give some real life examples instead of copping out just using your standard rhetoric.

 

[I7guy]

Right back at you.

But seriously what is so great about apple integration considering most of us use windows at work. At home for most people it is unlikely they will have only apple computing hardware in their home. You may want to give some real life examples instead of copping out just using your standard rhetoric.

These real life examples are all over the forum. You may want to give some real life examples instead copping out with refrigerator integration. Plus you don't know what people in general have at home and that is a deflection anyway.

 

[mib1800]

These real life examples are all over the forum. You may want to give some real life examples instead copping out with refrigerator integration. Plus you don't know what people in general have at home and that is a deflection anyway.

You are the one who started this "Apple integration/eco-system is better". Isnt it the onus is on you to backup your point with examples how is it better than the competition? Are there any game changing functionalities it can do that nobody else can? How is apple integration better in a heterogeneous environment? How does it extend beyond computing?

 

[I7guy]

You are the one who started this "Apple integration/eco-system is better". Isnt it the onus is on you to backup your point with examples how is it better than the competition? Are there any game changing functionalities it can do that nobody else can? How is apple integration better in a heterogeneous environment? How does it extend beyond computing?

Android has almost no integration with it's devices, and certainly not the same level as apple with other devices. Based on what you are claiming isn't the onus on you to backup your point?

http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/9906-ios-vs-android-business.html

 

[b18221964]

Good enough to thrash the Iphone 7 plus in drain test.
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I am sure Uber drivers love the S8, the phone is always on don't need to worry about standby.

Overall android is just badly optimised. We are using a SMART phone not a dumb phone. A SMART phone suppose to automatically optimise the phone for us.

Example, on the S8 why do you even need a DEVICE MAINTENANCE app which you need to manually press the "optimise now" buttons in order to Sleep some unused app? Is Android not smart enough to do these things automatically?

For the Location services on Android, there are three types of GPS to choose. On the iPhone its either on or off, the OS automatically choose between power saving mode to full GPS if you are using turn by turn navigation. On Android, you need select those options yourself.

Yes you PROBABLY have good battery on S8 by turning off mobile data, location service, always on display, bluetooth and set the screen timeout to 5 SECONDS which these tips are recommended by a lot of the "REVIEWERS" on the internet. Why not just use a Startac. You see I never turn off mobile data (data plan unlimited LTE), location service, bluetooth and the screen on time is 2 min. As for the "ALWAYS ON DISPLAY" when Samsung marketed this to consumer its one of the reasons I felt like buying the S8 and turning it off to save battery is not an option.

 

[mib1800]

Android has almost no integration with it's devices, and certainly not the same level as apple with other devices. Based on what you are claiming isn't the onus on you to backup your point?

http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/9906-ios-vs-android-business.html

In your living room

Control a number of devices and appliances whether you’re at home or out of the house.
Turn on the lights, turn up your music or schedule your washing machine’s cycle, all from your phone
http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/apps/samsung-connect/

For your computing

Using SideSync, you can conveniently share the screen and data between your PC and mobile device. Receive alarms of your phone through PC and use various features of your phone on the computer. Enjoy the smarter and more convenient life with SideSync.

https://www.gihosoft.com/hot-topics/things-you-can-do-with-samsung-sidesync.html

Samsung Flow - Facilitates Android and Windows integration
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-gap-between-android-and-windows-devices.html


Around your home

Add smartness to your home with a SmartThings Hub that wirelessly connects hundreds of compatible smart devices including lights, speakers, locks, thermostats, sensors, and more, allowing them all to work together.
http://www.techradar.com/news/samsung-smartthings-meet-the-center-of-your-future-smart-home

Samsung’s also got some competition – both Google and Apple have their own smart home solutions in the form of the Made by Google platform and Apple HomeKit. Both these solutions are relatively far behind Samsung in terms of quality and number of products that they support

In your kitchen

https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-family-hub-refrigerator/

 

[I7guy]

In your living room

Control a number of devices and appliances whether you’re at home or out of the house.
Turn on the lights, turn up your music or schedule your washing machine’s cycle, all from your phone
http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/apps/samsung-connect/

For your computing

Using SideSync, you can conveniently share the screen and data between your PC and mobile device. Receive alarms of your phone through PC and use various features of your phone on the computer. Enjoy the smarter and more convenient life with SideSync.

https://www.gihosoft.com/hot-topics/things-you-can-do-with-samsung-sidesync.html

Samsung Flow - Facilitates Android and Windows integration
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-gap-between-android-and-windows-devices.html


Around your home

Add smartness to your home with a SmartThings Hub that wirelessly connects hundreds of compatible smart devices including lights, speakers, locks, thermostats, sensors, and more, allowing them all to work together.
http://www.techradar.com/news/samsung-smartthings-meet-the-center-of-your-future-smart-home



In your kitchen

https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-family-hub-refrigerator/

Nice. iPhone can do all of that plus what's mentioned in the article between your idevices, which is to use them interchangeably to get phone calls on any device signed in to your Apple ID on lte, emails, passwords, start work on one device finish on any other(no extra software needed), glucose monitoring, (coming soon), based on rumors integration with "Apple car", home alarms and garage doors, lights, fans, thermostats, home theater, wireless kitchen appliances, etc and I don't need a pc, but if I did, Microsoft has one drive and iOS office apps.

 

[mib1800]

Nice. iPhone can do all of that plus what's mentioned in the article between your idevices, which is to use them interchangeably to get phone calls on any device signed in to your Apple ID on lte, emails, passwords, start work on one device finish on any other(no extra software needed)

With Sidesync, I can run any apps in phone from the PC. e.g. I can send a whatsapp message from my PC or reply to a FB message in phone via PC. You CAN'T do that with your iphone. btw: Sidesync works on Samsung tablet as well.

Since iphone doesnt have a file system you cannot drap & drop files phone to PC or vice versa like Sidesync.

Apple also makes it difficult since you have to login with same ID on all devices before you can hand-off. With Sidesync, I just need to setup up the pairing that's all.

Another huge advantage Sidesync has is that it is compatible with both Windows and Mac so you are not hardware bound like iphone.

, glucose monitoring, (coming soon), based on rumors integration with "Apple car", home alarms and garage doors, lights, fans, thermostats, home theater, wireless kitchen appliances, etc and I don't need a pc, but if I did, Microsoft has one drive and iOS office apps.

Like I said before unlike Apple which is just in the computing arena, Samsung manufactures everything in your home and office. Samsung Connect and SmartThings are real and available now. For Apple many of those are "coming soon".

 

[Shanghaichica]

With Sidesync, I can run any apps in phone from the PC. e.g. I can send a whatsapp message from my PC or reply to a FB message in phone via PC. You CAN'T do that with your iphone. btw: Sidesync works on Samsung tablet as well.

Since iphone doesnt have a file system you cannot drap & drop files phone to PC or vice versa like Sidesync.

Apple also makes it difficult since you have to login with same ID on all devices before you can hand-off. With Sidesync, I just need to setup up the pairing that's all.

Another huge advantage Sidesync has is that it is compatible with both Windows and Mac so you are not hardware bound like iphone.



Like I said before unlike Apple which is just in the computing arena, Samsung manufactures everything in your home and office. Samsung Connect and SmartThings are real and available now. For Apple many of those are "coming soon".

There is a mac client for what's app so I can access and reply to my messages on my mac.

A files app is coming in iOS 11 but for now I can save/ move files to iCloud Drive on my mac and have them show up on my iPhone or iPad in the iCloud Drive app.

The home app works now and can be used to control lights, heating and can also be used to open and lock doors. It can be used for other things too.

I think side sync has improved in both functionality and stability but when I used it with my S5 and PC it was a pile of poo.

The Apple ecosystem has a lot of advantages but only if you own a lot of Apple devices. I own several Apple devices so it works for me very well.

You could also mention DeX which is a good option for S8/S8+ users.

 

[mib1800]

There is a mac client for what's app so I can access and reply to my messages on my mac.

That's the thing. Only Apple apps are able to do continuity/hands-off. For others you need workaround like installling client or using the web-browser.

The approach is totally different. I think Apple took a roundabout and complicated way to do integration compared to Samsung SideSync which is simple and straight forward and yet can do more.

A files app is coming in iOS 11 but for now I can save/ move files to iCloud Drive on my mac and have them show up on my iPhone or iPad in the iCloud Drive app.

Iphone is a bit late to the game, isnt it?

The home app works now and can be used to control lights, heating and can also be used to open and lock doors. It can be used for other things too.

But this is just piece meal.

Samsung is the largest consumer electronics/appliances. Without compatibility with Samsung products, Apple home app is just not going anywhere. Many newer Samsung products are now smart enabled so you can use Samsung Connect with them. Plus you can interface 3rd party products to SmartThings Hub and get access via Samsung Connect.

I think side sync has improved in both functionality and stability but when I used it with my S5 and PC it was a pile of poo.

Sidesync 4.0 is much better and working well.

The Apple ecosystem has a lot of advantages but only if you own a lot of Apple devices. I own several Apple devices so it works for me very well.

You could also mention DeX which is a good option for S8/S8+ users.

The point is that Apple is not the only one that have an eco-system. And neither it is the best. It is just one of the competing eco-systems out there.
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I am sure Uber drivers love the S8, the phone is always on don't need to worry about standby.

Overall android is just badly optimised. We are using a SMART phone not a dumb phone. A SMART phone suppose to automatically optimise the phone for us.

Example, on the S8 why do you even need a DEVICE MAINTENANCE app which you need to manually press the "optimise now" buttons in order to Sleep some unused app? Is Android not smart enough to do these things automatically?

For the Location services on Android, there are three types of GPS to choose. On the iPhone its either on or off, the OS automatically choose between power saving mode to full GPS if you are using turn by turn navigation. On Android, you need select those options yourself.

Yes you PROBABLY have good battery on S8 by turning off mobile data, location service, always on display, bluetooth and set the screen timeout to 5 SECONDS which these tips are recommended by a lot of the "REVIEWERS" on the internet. Why not just use a Startac. You see I never turn off mobile data (data plan unlimited LTE), location service, bluetooth and the screen on time is 2 min. As for the "ALWAYS ON DISPLAY" when Samsung marketed this to consumer its one of the reasons I felt like buying the S8 and turning it off to save battery is not an option.

There are many S8 users that have posted their battery usage stats. Why don't you go and have a look at those instead of talking nonsense over and over. Most of those usage stats are pretty consistent. 5-7 hours of SOT over a 15-20 hours period. This means the phone will not run out of battery for full the day under heavy use.

Care to show me which reviewers recommended to turn off everything otherwise S8 battery is crap? Someone in AppleInsider?

Since you said you have used S8 but it is strange that you are so blur that you don't know Device Maintenance is an automated task which put to sleep apps that you have not used for a period (or if it detects unusual high background usage).

 

[torana355]

Yes you PROBABLY have good battery on S8 by turning off mobile data, location service, always on display, bluetooth and set the screen timeout to 5 SECONDS which these tips are recommended by a lot of the "REVIEWERS" on the internet. Why not just use a Startac. You see I never turn off mobile data (data plan unlimited LTE), location service, bluetooth and the screen on time is 2 min. As for the "ALWAYS ON DISPLAY" when Samsung marketed this to consumer its one of the reasons I felt like buying the S8 and turning it off to save battery is not an option.

Ive got everything turned on mate, QHD, high accuracy location, Bluetooth always paired to my LG Urbane Smart watch, Wifi always on. I get 6-8 hours SOT every day with around 20 hours off the plug. Right now im at 50% battery with 13 hours off the plug and 3 hours SOT after streaming Music all day at work. The S8 is a beast, just deal with it.

 

[I7guy]

With Sidesync, I can run any apps in phone from the PC. e.g. I can send a whatsapp message from my PC or reply to a FB message in phone via PC. You CAN'T do that with your iphone. btw: Sidesync works on Samsung tablet as well.

Since iphone doesnt have a file system you cannot drap & drop files phone to PC or vice versa like Sidesync.

Apple also makes it difficult since you have to login with same ID on all devices before you can hand-off. With Sidesync, I just need to setup up the pairing that's all.

Another huge advantage Sidesync has is that it is compatible with both Windows and Mac so you are not hardware bound like iphone.



Like I said before unlike Apple which is just in the computing arena, Samsung manufactures everything in your home and office. Samsung Connect and SmartThings are real and available now. For Apple many of those are "coming soon".

Havings windows isn't an advantage because I don't want to be tied to it. Being able to start a document on my ipad and finish on my mac or iphone, is more important than being tied to windows. Or picking up a call on any of my devices I have with me including AW, so I don't have to carry my iphone around the house. You CAN'T do those on your galaxy.

I also am not tied into buying Samsung appliances, thankfully to have that type of home automation control.

And yes, you can drag and drop files from your PC using icloud and the new IOS logical file manager.

I can send a whatsapp message from my PC or reply to a FB message in phone via PC. You CAN'T do that with your iphone.

Seems useless to me when you can log into the website, but to each their own.
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The point is that Apple is not the only one that have an eco-system. And neither it is the best. It is just one of the competing eco-systems out there.

The "ecosystem" such as it is, is piecemeal and not well designed or thought out as apples, and doesn't tie you into buying Samsung refrigerators, or dishwashers or TVs.

 

[nviz22]

The Apple ecosystem is overrated. I personally won't handicap myself to it because Apple limits what you can do with a product. For the price you pay, you better have the latest and greatest. Lately, that isn't the case with Apple. Gimmicky touch bars, major bezels, no quick charge, no wireless charging. Software wise, you're limited to what they want you to do. For instance, no group FaceTime, no default apps. And that's from someone who owns an iPhone, iPad, and MacBook.

 

[b18221964]

You could also mention DeX which is a good option for S8/S8+ users.

Dex works if they are everywhere, since they won't be in a coffee shop, library or 7 eleven I don't need a Dex at home when I have a fully functional computer.

That's the thing. Only Apple apps are able to do continuity/hands-off. For others you need workaround like installling client or using the web-browser.

The approach is totally different. I think Apple took a roundabout and complicated way to do integration compared to Samsung SideSync which is simple and straight forward and yet can do more.





Iphone is a bit late to the game, isnt it?



But this is just piece meal.

Samsung is the largest consumer electronics/appliances. Without compatibility with Samsung products, Apple home app is just not going anywhere. Many newer Samsung products are now smart enabled so you can use Samsung Connect with them. Plus you can interface 3rd party products to SmartThings Hub and get access via Samsung Connect.



Sidesync 4.0 is much better and working well.



The point is that Apple is not the only one that have an eco-system. And neither it is the best. It is just one of the competing eco-systems out there.
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There are many S8 users that have posted their battery usage stats. Why don't you go and have a look at those instead of talking nonsense over and over. Most of those usage stats are pretty consistent. 5-7 hours of SOT over a 15-20 hours period. This means the phone will not run out of battery for full the day under heavy use.

Care to show me which reviewers recommended to turn off everything otherwise S8 battery is crap? Someone in AppleInsider?

Since you said you have used S8 but it is strange that you are so blur that you don't know Device Maintenance is an automated task which put to sleep apps that you have not used for a period (or if it detects unusual high background usage).

There are also people reporting usage otherwise. If I ever need to continuously keep the screen on my phone ON for 7 hours I will think about the S8

Battery Saving Tips, I don't want to waste more time finding these for you just google it.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-and-S8-battery-life-test-result-is-out_id92744
Battery Review between S8 and iP7P

I see thats why they place an "Optimise" button there, so that it automatically does everything for you. And they are so smart they send you a notification once a while (at least once a day) ask if you want to put some of the apps to sleep too, and if you feel like sleeping those battery draining apps click on the notification and click "Optimise now". Perfect!

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Ive got everything turned on mate, QHD, high accuracy location, Bluetooth always paired to my LG Urbane Smart watch, Wifi always on. I get 6-8 hours SOT every day with around 20 hours off the plug. Right now im at 50% battery with 13 hours off the plug and 3 hours SOT after streaming Music all day at work. The S8 is a beast, just deal with it.

Thats great, I deal with it already.