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[scem0]

OngBak is insanely good.

I can't wait to see it, I'm thinking about putting it at a higher priority so that I can get it sooner. The stunts are just crazy (no wires, no nothing, that's just insane). I've seen a lot of them via promotional videos.

edit - it appears we have hit the eye of the posting storm.

_Emerson

 

[MontyZ]

Such as what? It was horrible Monty!

Such as: All of Season 2! Why did you think it was so horrible?

 

[CHAOS STEP]

Six Foot Under is immense, although it is a bit patchy around places - possibly season 2.

Doesn't help that I watched most of the end of the final season before I had caught up with the penultimate season talk about

The final season's ending was cool, well maybe the best was third to the end and the final episode didn't come good to the end.

Did you guys ever see the UK version of Queer as Folk? I'm not keen on the US re-hashed versions of UK shows. Not that it was bad, mind.

More randonmess, TV related, I really, really get annoyed with Will and Grace - talk about a Gay Sitcom made for homophobes - Terrible jokes, no guts to the dialogue or plot, very poor.

To the chap who was buying Ong-Bak - it's great! You can really feel the blows!

Might I suggest some really cool Korean movies - A tale of Two Sisters, Save the Green Planet, My Sassy Girl and not forgetting the awesome Sympathy for Mr Vengance and Oldboy.

Check out some reviews!

eep, this post is completely in disarray! I'd better slink off!

 

[scem0]

I'll definitely check out the korean films, I'm all about foreign films, especially martial arts films.

I suppose it's from doing so many years of it myself and then being a gymnast of sorts too.

_Emerson

 

[leekohler]

Six Foot Under is immense, although it is a bit patchy around places - possibly season 2.

Doesn't help that I watched most of the end of the final season before I had caught up with the penultimate season talk about

The final season's ending was cool, well maybe the best was third to the end and the final episode didn't come good to the end.

Did you guys ever see the UK version of Queer as Folk? I'm not keen on the US re-hashed versions of UK shows. Not that it was bad, mind.

More randonmess, TV related, I really, really get annoyed with Will and Grace - talk about a Gay Sitcom made for homophobes - Terrible jokes, no guts to the dialogue or plot, very poor.

To the chap who was buying Ong-Bak - it's great! You can really feel the blows!

Might I suggest some really cool Korean movies - A tale of Two Sisters, Save the Green Planet, My Sassy Girl and not forgetting the awesome Sympathy for Mr Vengance and Oldboy.

Check out some reviews!

eep, this post is completely in disarray! I'd better slink off!

I saw the British version of QAF first and then the American version- loved both.

Will and Grace- YUCK.

A Tale of Two Sisters is AWESOME.

 

[leekohler]

I'll definitely check out the korean films, I'm all about foreign films, especially martial arts films.

I suppose it's from doing so many years of it myself and then being a gymnast of sorts too.

_Emerson

OK- I looked at your towel pic. What- no legs?? I'm bummed.

 

[gekko513]

More randonmess, TV related, I really, really get annoyed with Will and Grace - talk about a Gay Sitcom made for homophobes - Terrible jokes, no guts to the dialogue or plot, very poor.

I thought it was made by a couple of gays ... the same guys that make Desperate Housewives?

 

[scem0]

OK- I looked at your towel pic. What- no legs?? I'm bummed.

I thought I was supposed to leave something to the imagination for you babe .

Gah... I just looked through hundreds of photos of the parade from the parade's official website and I'm not in any! More pictures will be posted later though .

_Emerson

 

[MontyZ]

Did you guys ever see the UK version of Queer as Folk? I'm not keen on the US re-hashed versions of UK shows. Not that it was bad, mind.

British version of QAF was much better than the American one. It was edgy and naughtier. The first season of the American version of QAF was good, but, after that it just became a lame, boring gay soap opera.

And I agree about Will & Grace -- it's just embarassing to watch now. Can you believe the actor who plays Jack is convinced he's not gay in real life?? PUHLEEEEASE!!!!

 

[scem0]

I just finished Get Real, it was sweet .

The whole coming out in a letter thing strikes a chord with me for obvious reasons. From my letter:

The beginning: It takes courage to communicate honestly and for some people, including myself, it is hard to communicate at all. I really wouldn’t have been able to bring myself to type this if tonight hadn’t given me the courage I needed. I’m going to voice my opinion on things that need to be talked about, starting with generalities, then the family, and then myself.

First I’d like to say that if you are reading this letter, I care about you. I am going to work my hardest to improve my relationship with you. The first step to doing that is to communicate with you. Good relationships are built on honesty, and I feel that everyone in the family hasn’t been completely honest

From the middle - I am struggling with how I should phrase the following paragraph, because it is a very important one. I think the best way to go about this would be to reiterate that I want to better my relationship with you, and I want to do that through communication and honesty. With that in mind – I’m gay. I hope you can read this and understand that I am still the same person I ever was.

The end - Please understand that I don’t know what’s best for everyone. I want Dad to ----edited for privacy----, Mom to ----edited for privacy----, and Abby to ----edited for privacy----, but who am I to say what’s right and what’s wrong? Just do what you know is right in your heart and talk about the things that need to be talked about, that’s all I ask. I’m trying to do the same, and that’s why I wrote all of this.

I censored parts to respect my family's privacy.

So, I related to Get Real, because I've sat down at my computer before and poured my soul into a document (funny that my soul only fills up a 7 and a half page document ). When he told the audience about him writing that letter it made me cry, because that's the hardest part. It's like writing a loaded email to someone. Writing the email isn't hard, pressing the send button is hard .

Anyways, I just wanted to share that piece of my heart with you fine people, for no particular reason. it just feels good to know that I have nothing to hide anymore from anyone, and I mean that in every facet of my life, from my sexuality to my everyday affairs. It won't be hard for me to press the send button on just about anything anymore, including this post, and that makes me much happier than I've been in the past .

_Emerson

 

[noaccess]

Only a mature, confident, sensitive and, of course, honest person could have written a letter such as the one you wrote. Reading your post almost brought me to tears. It's a good thing to know that there still are people such as yourself around, in a world flooded with superficiality and lies.
Sharing your experience isn't an easy thing to do, and certainly not something that most people would be capable of doing. And that's admirable. I mean it .

 

[leekohler]

I just finished Get Real, it was sweet .

The whole coming out in a letter thing strikes a chord with me for obvious reasons. From my letter:

The beginning: It takes courage to communicate honestly and for some people, including myself, it is hard to communicate at all. I really wouldn’t have been able to bring myself to type this if tonight hadn’t given me the courage I needed. I’m going to voice my opinion on things that need to be talked about, starting with generalities, then the family, and then myself.

First I’d like to say that if you are reading this letter, I care about you. I am going to work my hardest to improve my relationship with you. The first step to doing that is to communicate with you. Good relationships are built on honesty, and I feel that everyone in the family hasn’t been completely honest

From the middle - I am struggling with how I should phrase the following paragraph, because it is a very important one. I think the best way to go about this would be to reiterate that I want to better my relationship with you, and I want to do that through communication and honesty. With that in mind – I’m gay. I hope you can read this and understand that I am still the same person I ever was.

The end - Please understand that I don’t know what’s best for everyone. I want Dad to ----edited for privacy----, Mom to ----edited for privacy----, and Abby to ----edited for privacy----, but who am I to say what’s right and what’s wrong? Just do what you know is right in your heart and talk about the things that need to be talked about, that’s all I ask. I’m trying to do the same, and that’s why I wrote all of this.

I censored parts to respect my family's privacy.

So, I related to Get Real, because I've sat down at my computer before and poured my soul into a document (funny that my soul only fills up a 7 and a half page document ). When he told the audience about him writing that letter it made me cry, because that's the hardest part. It's like writing a loaded email to someone. Writing the email isn't hard, pressing the send button is hard .

Anyways, I just wanted to share that piece of my heart with you fine people, for no particular reason. it just feels good to know that I have nothing to hide anymore from anyone, and I mean that in every facet of my life, from my sexuality to my everyday affairs. It won't be hard for me to press the send button on just about anything anymore, including this post, and that makes me much happier than I've been in the past .

_Emerson

Very nice scem0. That was wonderful.

 

[Grey Beard]

So, I related to Get Real, because I've sat down at my computer before and poured my soul into a document (funny that my soul only fills up a 7 and a half page document ). When he told the audience about him writing that letter it made me cry, because that's the hardest part. It's like writing a loaded email to someone. Writing the email isn't hard, pressing the send button is hard .

Anyways, I just wanted to share that piece of my heart with you fine people, for no particular reason. it just feels good to know that I have nothing to hide anymore from anyone, and I mean that in every facet of my life, from my sexuality to my everyday affairs. It won't be hard for me to press the send button on just about anything anymore, including this post, and that makes me much happier than I've been in the past
_Emerson

Yes Emerson, I can fully agree with you that hitting the send button is just, just so final - like casting the dice. Like you, I have trouble with verbal communication but find I can put my feelings in written form where I cannot speak out about things. The time between formulating the idea and then committing it to paper allows my mind a second chance to edit it as well.

I'd strongly urge every dear reader to use a metaphoric pen and paper, and to put your thoughts, ambitions, loves and hates, everything, down in writing. Most of us will use a keyboard, but there is something about real paper and a scratching pen. I've recently been introduced to IM'ing, and find that it is just too instant and doesn't allow me the full thought process, and yep, it gets me into trouble, but then I really have to work at crafting a piece, due in part to a degree of aphasia. Instant Messaging doesn't give me that latitude.

Even if, as it will be in most cases, that send button is not struck, in articulating your thoughts you will reach a better understanding of yourself and that can only be a good thing.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard

 

[scem0]

Thanks, everyone .

It certainly felt good to read that letter again. It marked a very big turning point in my life. Not only out of the closet, but out of the shadows and into the light. I'm genuinely happy at this point in my life, maybe the happiest I've ever been. My letter launched me in the direction I'm going, I'm so glad I worked up the courage to write it.

_Emerson

 

[scem0]

Even if, as it will be in most cases, that send button is not struck, in articulating your thoughts you will reach a better understanding of yourself and that can only be a good thing.

I used to write my thoughts and feelings in Notepad and close the document without saving all the time, it definitely helped me cope with being lonely during high school. It was just a way of getting the emotion out.

I wrote poems and hid them in my room. They are still there and they are still amateur and stupid. Part of me wants to burn them when I go back to Texas at Winter break, because they were written out of loneliness and I don't feel that emotion anymore - I don't want to go back there. Another part of me wants to read them and it'll help me appreciate where I am now.

We've gotten all mushy all of the sudden. Quick, let's talk about something superficial !

_Emerson

 

[Grey Beard]

I don't feel that emotion anymore - I don't want to go back there. Another part of me wants to read them and it'll help me appreciate where I am now.

We've gotten all mushy all of the sudden. Quick, let's talk about something superficial !
_Emerson

Emerson, read them and keep them, they are part of your history now.

And now for an attempt at the superficial. When you are rich and famous and writing memoirs you'll need your reference materials.

Arrggg, what am I doing up and at the computer before my brain has woken up, and I haven't even had a coffee yet. Oh yeah another damned asthma attack, now where are my cigarettes ? Far to early to be out of bed for this white boy.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard

 

[scem0]

Being rich would be nice, but I don't desire fame.

A memoir would probably be a good think to write on the way down though.

_Emerson

 

[superninjagoat]

I wrote poems and hid them in my room. They are still there and they are still amateur and stupid. Part of me wants to burn them when I go back to Texas at Winter break, because they were written out of loneliness and I don't feel that emotion anymore - I don't want to go back there. Another part of me wants to read them and it'll help me appreciate where I am now.

I pop in to read this thread from time to time. It's (generally) had a very different and honest tone from other threads here. Refreshing. But not being gay, I've never had much reason to post.

But, scem0, your letter to family and friends touched me. I'm thankful that I've never had to feel the separation from my loved ones that your "secret" caused. Being a teenager is hard enough, with crushes, problems with friends and the cocktail of emotions that comes with those years. I can't imagine feeling like I had to keep mum about my sexuality (which in those years seemed like the most important part of life). Funny how it turns out to be secondary to everything else. Did things work out the way you hoped with your family? It's been my experience that people are a lot more narrow mined in our minds than they are in theirs. But I digress.

While you had the sharing bug, you mentioned the old poems you'd written when you lived at home. I just had managed to get an old PowerBook Duo I have to boot up. I boght it in high school and it died years ago. Since that time, I've married and now have a son on the way (DUE TODAY!!!!!!!!). It was something else to read all those poems, emotions so raw. They were simple, painful to read (both in language and subject), but they were very real.

And you are right. It was quite therapeutic. I was so lonely then, so afraid that I wouldn't find someone to share my life with. Now, I've come so far, and I have a new set of worries. And, honestly, they feel just as overwhelming.

I wish I could capture the feelings I have now the same way I did on that little PowerBook. But, experience seems to have killed the melodramatic in me.

s.n.goat

 

[iGary]

I'm glad you liked Get Real, Emerson. I cried, too.

You'll like Beautiful Thing a lot, too as well as Nico and Danni, but Get Real pulls on a lot of heart strings for a lot of us.

 

[Grey Beard]

Being rich would be nice, but I don't desire fame.
_Emerson

OK - Rich and Infamous then.
Kevin
aka Grey Beard

 

[leekohler]

I pop in to read this thread from time to time. It's (generally) had a very different and honest tone from other threads here. Refreshing. But not being gay, I've never had much reason to post.

But, scem0, your letter to family and friends touched me. I'm thankful that I've never had to feel the separation from my loved ones that your "secret" caused. Being a teenager is hard enough, with crushes, problems with friends and the cocktail of emotions that comes with those years. I can't imagine feeling like I had to keep mum about my sexuality (which in those years seemed like the most important part of life). Funny how it turns out to be secondary to everything else. Did things work out the way you hoped with your family? It's been my experience that people are a lot more narrow mined in our minds than they are in theirs. But I digress.

While you had the sharing bug, you mentioned the old poems you'd written when you lived at home. I just had managed to get an old PowerBook Duo I have to boot up. I boght it in high school and it died years ago. Since that time, I've married and now have a son on the way (DUE TODAY!!!!!!!!). It was something else to read all those poems, emotions so raw. They were simple, painful to read (both in language and subject), but they were very real.

And you are right. It was quite therapeutic. I was so lonely then, so afraid that I wouldn't find someone to share my life with. Now, I've come so far, and I have a new set of worries. And, honestly, they feel just as overwhelming.

I wish I could capture the feelings I have now the same way I did on that little PowerBook. But, experience seems to have killed the melodramatic in me.

s.n.goat

Thanks for posting! You're welcome here anytime!

 

[scem0]

But, scem0, your letter to family and friends touched me. I'm thankful that I've never had to feel the separation from my loved ones that your "secret" caused. Being a teenager is hard enough, with crushes, problems with friends and the cocktail of emotions that comes with those years. I can't imagine feeling like I had to keep mum about my sexuality (which in those years seemed like the most important part of life). Funny how it turns out to be secondary to everything else. Did things work out the way you hoped with your family?

Yeah! I had a great relationship with my family at the time and I still do.

I wrote the letter after a very emotional night when my parents had a pretty big argument. I'll keep the subject of the argument secret out of respect for my parents, but it involved me and my sisters, so we were all emotional. That argument, and that expression of emotion gave me the courage I needed to write the letter. To be honest, I only talked about me being gay for half a page out of 7 and a half pages. So, the letter itself was more about communication and honesty than me being gay.

But they took it very well, as I knew they would. I come from a very liberal, open minded family. I wrote the letter at 3 or 4 AM, printed 4 - one for each member of my family, put them on my Mom's desk with a note to give one to each member of the family to read. My dad and my sister woke me up at 12 with smiles on their faces, and hugs . It was a good day.

While you had the sharing bug, you mentioned the old poems you'd written when you lived at home. I just had managed to get an old PowerBook Duo I have to boot up. I boght it in high school and it died years ago. Since that time, I've married and now have a son on the way (DUE TODAY!!!!!!!!). It was something else to read all those poems, emotions so raw. They were simple, painful to read (both in language and subject), but they were very real.

Congrats ! I might want to have a kid one day, it's a bit overwhelming to consider such things at my current age though . There are medical projects in which a sperm's nucleus is put into an enucliated egg, creating a male egg, which is able to be fertilized by another man. Two men could have a genetic child - the thought appeals to me on some levels. But as I said, it's a bit overwhelming to think about at the moment . I'm happy for you, though, you found what I wrote about in my poems, mutual security and love. I'm happy for myself because those things aren't out of my grasp anymore.

Thanks for posting! You're welcome here anytime!

I concur.

_Emerson

 

[Grey Beard]

I wish I could capture the feelings I have now the same way I did on that little PowerBook. But, experience seems to have killed the melodramatic in me.
s.n.goat

As one from the other end of the age spectrum, from my personal experience, that with the passing of the years, my ability to communicate using the written form has increased greatly. I guess that I'm more melodramatic than ever before. Some folk say that I'm just more of a drama queen, but it arrives at the same result. I have, as I said earlier a degree of aphasia, and this causes me to lose words or my train of thought. I muddle words and have a little difficulty in getting my spoken point across. However in writing using the same data, I've the opportunity to review and edit and make my point clearer. So after a bit of a ramble, the melodramatic is still there, and you'll find it when you have something worthwhile to write about. Your soon to arrive child will be just such an occasion.
Kevin
aka Grey Beard

 

[scem0]

Bad news, I'm getting torn in half. Explanation:

My Mom called me just now and told me that she is against go-go dancing more than ever now. The extent to which she is against it was also revealed. She said that if I do it she will send me back home . I was awe-struck. It's not like her to be so closed minded.

Her qualm with me go-go dancing is that she thinks it's dangerous. And it could be, but I don't think it'd be dangerous for me because I don't drink or do drugs and I have strong moral boundaries regarding sex. I'm not easily manipulated especially in regards to safety.

I am really frustrated by the whole situation. I care so much about my parent's opinion but I also feel strongly about not doing something just because someone tells you to. I still don't feel that she gave me a logical reason not to do it. I still feel that there is no logical reason not to. So I'll either have to do it without telling her, which would drive me nuts, or not do it at all which would also drive me nuts because it sounds like the perfect job for me.

She is going to send me an email with clearly defined points on why she doesn't want me to do it. I might post that and I'll rebut logically. I really don't like the current situation, though.



_Emerson

 

[leekohler]

Bad news, I'm getting torn in half. Explanation:

My Mom called me just now and told me that she is against go-go dancing more than ever now. The extent to which she is against it was also revealed. She said that if I do it she will send me back home . I was awe-struck. It's not like her to be so closed minded.

Her qualm with me go-go dancing is that she thinks it's dangerous. And it could be, but I don't think it'd be dangerous for me because I don't drink or do drugs and I have strong moral boundaries regarding sex. I'm not easily manipulated especially in regards to safety.

I am really frustrated by the whole situation. I care so much about my parent's opinion but I also feel strongly about not doing something just because someone tells you to. I still don't feel that she gave me a logical reason not to do it. I still feel that there is no logical reason not to. So I'll either have to do it without telling her, which would drive me nuts, or not do it at all which would also drive me nuts because it sounds like the perfect job for me.

She is going to send me an email with clearly defined points on why she doesn't want me to do it. I might post that and I'll rebut logically. I really don't like the current situation, though.



_Emerson

What is your situation regarding your college funding? If your parents are helping you out, I'm afraid you have no choice but to respect their wishes. If you're on full ride scholarship, you're 18. You can do what you want. Be careful with this scem0. It's not worth risking family. It may be wise to wait a few years. You'll still be cute as hell (I didn't do nudity til my 30's), and I'm sure the offer would still stand.