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Abercrombieboy said:
It is fun to hear about your experiences in NY however. Some say that I was brave to go to Iraq and serve in a "Front-line" role for 6 months of my year over there, but I think you are brave to live in NY. I'd be too scared to leave the rural areas. Funny isn't it, I fear NY, but managed to go to Iraq. haha... See I told you I am a strange breed.
Hey, if you survived Iraq, you can definitely handle New York City. In fact, you might feel right at home as there are Nat'l Guard and lots of military/police crawling all over the city 24 hours a day. The only thing that is scary are the drugged-out drag queens in the Village late at night on weekends. But I'll protect you. :)
 
Yeah, they can be quite intimidating. And the funny thing is that Monty isn't joking, there are drugged out drag queens in the village during the wee hours of the morning. A sober one walked me home from a club last Thursday (see 'My First Night at Stonewall' from my blog for more info on that night, if you're interested. There are much more exciting things to read on my blog though. Try getting 'Splashed at Splash' :) - I'll be going there tonight I think. Yay for putting too much inside parentheses).

And I'm far from brave. The things I do in clubs just seem to happen, there's not a lot of build-up or suspense. It's not like skydiving or something in which you'd have a plane ride to contemplate whether or not you want to make decision a or decision b, you just make the decision at the moment and that takes most of the fear away from the situation.

_Emerson
 
MontyZ said:
Hey, if you survived Iraq, you can definitely handle New York City. In fact, you might feel right at home as there are Nat'l Guard and lots of military/police crawling all over the city 24 hours a day. The only thing that is scary are the drugged-out drag queens in the Village late at night on weekends. But I'll protect you. :)

Well I would like to visit New York City someday. It is one place of many I have never been. My travel in the US has actually been fairly limited, other then flying into some airport and flying right back out. I spent about 3 months living near Springfield, MO when I was down there for a military course a few years ago and spent a summer in Italy working with NATO when I was back in college. Italy for 3 months was a neat experience. Much better then my 12 months in Iraq! These days however, I am a resident in a town of 400 people somewhere near Sioux Falls, SD. It is close enough I can get to Sioux Falls or Sioux City, IA within 40 minutes if I really get the urge to get out of here. I am not really big into the military, I just kept signing papers because they kept offering me more money for college and finally they said, "It's time to pay up boy!" and they sent me to war!

scem0 said:
It's not like skydiving or something in which you'd have a plane ride to contemplate whether or not you want to make decision a or decision b, you just make the decision at the moment and that takes most of the fear away from the situation.

_Emerson

WOW...that sounds like being in Iraq for me. Many times on the ground you just made a decision without contemplating because you did not have the time to think about it. Once you got involved in your decision, you are right the fear is gone. I did some wild things in clubs back in my college days! I guess I am old now, 29, and I don't risk being too crazy anymore. If I came to New York, you guys are right, you would have to protect me from the drugged out drag queens! I had a different form of protection in Iraq, and being back in the US the only protection I have here has the name Trojan stamped on it. South Dakota corn fed farm boys like me might seem all tough when we are in our element, but taken out we are like a lost puppy.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
I would agree, in most places people would never figure this out. I guess this is more because of my background living in South Dakota. If you did it here, they WOULD find out sooner or later. lol One of my good friends lives across the state and he was chatting with someone in the middle of the state that I talked to one time 4 years ago and this person remembered my name and where I lived. How's that for a small world?

About you guys being a strange breed...it is ok because I am a strange breed myself. I mean I am a person that teaches in an elementary school that just last year was in Iraq getting blown up, nothing in my life really adds up... I grew up on a farm in SD and never made it too far out of this place. I guess my heart will always be in the wide open spaces. It is fun to hear about your experiences in NY however. Some say that I was brave to go to Iraq and serve in a "Front-line" role for 6 months of my year over there, but I think you are brave to live in NY. I'd be too scared to leave the rural areas. Funny isn't it, I fear NY, but managed to go to Iraq. haha... See I told you I am a strange breed.

Of course you're welcome here! As for the wide open spaces, of course there's appeal there- understandable. I grew up between two cornfields in Ohio, just wasn't for me. I ran away to Chicago as soon as I could. But, my family also owns a place in Allegheny National Forest in PA. I love that place a lot. And thank you for your bit of advice to my little scem0. :) BTW- you'd be surprised how not scary NYC is.
 
scem0 said:
So when will you be in New York, babe? :D As I said, I'm getting impatient :).
E

Dammit, now I don't know. I just got slapped with a bill for parking tickets from 8 years ago I didn't even know I owed- $340. I haven't even owned a car for the last 6 years. I'm trying though! I've been watching my cash and I have a freelance check coming, so cross your fingers. I will try for December, but I just don't know. Oh- and skydiving's fun! I've done it a lot!
 
leekohler said:
Of course you're welcome here! As for the wide open spaces, of course there's appeal there- understandable. I grew up between two cornfields in Ohio, just wasn't for me. I ran away to Chicago as soon as I could. But, my family also owns a place in Allegheny National Forest in PA. I love that place a lot. And thank you for your bit of advice to my little scem0. :) BTW- you'd be surprised how not scary NYC is.

Yeah, well I am most happy when I am cresting a snowy hill in the mountains out west on my Yamaha. Just feels like I am breaking out of the world and into the open skies. I guess we all need our places to get away from it all and relax.

As far as New York not being scary I have worked with people from there in the military and always enjoyed them. We could talk and talk for hours about how different our lives were, yet we are all joined by a common love for our country. There were things they would discuss that I had no idea about and the same with me. An example was they had no idea what a quonset was and I thought everyone knew what a quonset was! They came in this summer as evaluators for training that was going on here in SD. I volunteered to help evaluate the training units with them and it was a lot of fun. They got the biggest kick out of the fact that we are all "storytellers" in SD. What I mean by that is, if we are driving down a road and see a deer, they would say, "There is a deer." and go back to what they were doing. If we see a deer along the road, the experience will turn into some kind of story to explain the deer being there.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Yeah, well I am most happy when I am cresting a snowy hill in the mountains out west on my Yamaha. Just feels like I am breaking out of the world and into the open skies. I guess we all need our places to get away from it all and relax.

I understand. I try to get to our place in PA as much as I can.
 
superninjagoat said:
Since that time, I've married and now have a son on the way (DUE TODAY!!!!!!!!).

Congrats on the new life in your world. Some of us have wanted that, but time and society has passed us by. For others like scem0, there is still a fighting chance.

Your new son is a very lucky person to have a warm and compassionate father to show him a world as it is supposed to be.
 
leekohler said:
What is your situation regarding your college funding? If your parents are helping you out, I'm afraid you have no choice but to respect their wishes. If you're on full ride scholarship, you're 18. You can do what you want. Be careful with this scem0. It's not worth risking family. It may be wise to wait a few years. You'll still be cute as hell (I didn't do nudity til my 30's), and I'm sure the offer would still stand.

Add to that she probably has the concerns that some of us already posted here. I trust that scem0 has his head on tight, but hell things happen. Just remember a couple of scem0's posts with some run ins and "questionable dancing" :) . She is only concerned for the well being of her son.

I remember the first (and so far the only time) that I left the "safety" of my hometown. It was a job change to Dallas in the late 80's. Hell I was just in my early 30's at the time. Being away from home, in a new town allowed me a freedom that I never really had before that time. I did things that I had never done before, and won't do again. :eek: There was one close call, even though I thought of myself as responsible and level headed. Sometimes even the best get caught up in the moment.
 
MontyZ said:
Em, it's not the end of the world if you can't be a go-go boy. In fact, I think your mother is doing the right thing, and I totally understand where she is coming from. Lots of go-go boys become prostitutes or get involved in self-destructive behavior, and the people you'll have to deal with (nyc club owners and promoters) are one of the sleaziest lot you'll find. Even if you think you've got your head on straight, the temptations can be very compelling. You'd be like a lamb thrown into a pack of wolves. I've seen it happen to others, it's not pretty.

So, listen to your mother. Don't do it and just focus on your studies and have fun going to the clubs instead of working in them.

So right on! Much the same happens to those that get in to the porn industry. Case in point is a "boy" model by the name of Sammy Case. He was/is a sweet mid-west guy that did some porn vids (a friend said I had to see this guy in one of first vids). I have to admit that he had that boy next door quality. My friend has followed his "career". One, youth is fleeting. But according to my friend Sammy's videos have become more and more desperate and pathetic. It now appears that that Sammy has gotten into drugs, and is now engaging in unsafe sex practices, all to get his next video money.

Not that all such things end in disaster. A co-worker has a brother, Frederick Ford, that does porn - and now is starting a music career. But from what I have heard, his story is not the norm in the "sex industry".
 
Abercrombieboy said:
You also need to look at your future. There may be places that you want to go in life that would not be compatible with that type of behavior. I mean I would hate to see you do something like this and years down the road regret it when you are running for the local school board! Not saying you will ever do that, but people's goals and career choices change over the years and you don't want to do something that you will regret in the end.

I guess in the end however, the biggest problem I have with this activity is that it reduces a person. Makes people look at them in a different way. They no longer judge you for the beautiful person you are, but judge you for how hot you look on stage. You seem like a very level-headed 18 year old. I know a person in college can always use more money and I can imagine living in NYC would have to be very expensive compared to where I live. Again, the decision is yours, but I have to agree with your mother. She loves you and only wants the best for you.

Thanks for posting! Another post well said.

Skeletons in the closet, can come back to haunt.

A former club brother is now a registered "sex offender" due to a statutory rape conviction. The short story is that the "kid" lied about being over 18, the Mom was OK with the relationship, but the Dad wasn't. this club brother is no longer able to practice as a nurse because of that conviction.

One never knows where life will lead one in the future. The shame of it is the double standard that exists today. A woman can dance naked in a bar, in order to finish law school. That is OK. But let a guy do the same and he is a sleaze, and not worthy.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
WOW...that sounds like being in Iraq for me. Many times on the ground you just made a decision without contemplating because you did not have the time to think about it. Once you got involved in your decision, you are right the fear is gone. I did some wild things in clubs back in my college days! I guess I am old now, 29, and I don't risk being too crazy anymore. If I came to New York, you guys are right, you would have to protect me from the drugged out drag queens! I had a different form of protection in Iraq, and being back in the US the only protection I have here has the name Trojan stamped on it. South Dakota corn fed farm boys like me might seem all tough when we are in our element, but taken out we are like a lost puppy.

{Wow, go to work and come home and all hell has broken loose on the GayWay. Hope none are offended by my posting to each post separately, since there is much ground to be covered.}

Glad that you are safe and sound now. Hope that the demons of your tour will not be to hard to overcome.

Thanks for the chuckle about the "lost puppy". The same goes for us that visit rural areas. :) You corn fed boys know how to get the best of us "city slickers".

I think that you life experiences will serve you well in the Big Apple. Just as when you were in Iraq, you had to listen that inner voice. The only difference is that you only have your feet, not a rifle (or more) to protect you from harm. Just don't spend too much time staring at all the tall buildings, this is the sure sign that you are "fresh meat" for the taking. :eek:
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
I think that you life experiences will serve you well in the Big Apple. Just as when you were in Iraq, you had to listen that inner voice. The only difference is that you only have your feet, not a rifle (or more) to protect you from harm. Just don't spend too much time staring at all the tall buildings, this is the sure sign that you are "fresh meat" for the taking. :eek:

Well- it's not quite that scary. NYC is nothing now like it was in the 70's and 80's. THAT could be scary. But dammit, I loved those days. :)
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
So right on! Much the same happens to those that get in to the porn industry. Case in point is a "boy" model by the name of Sammy Case. He was/is a sweet mid-west guy that did some porn vids (a friend said I had to see this guy in one of first vids). I have to admit that he had that boy next door quality. My friend has followed his "career". One, youth is fleeting. But according to my friend Sammy's videos have become more and more desperate and pathetic. It now appears that that Sammy has gotten into drugs, and is now engaging in unsafe sex practices, all to get his next video money.

Not that all such things end in disaster. A co-worker has a brother, Frederick Ford, that does porn - and now is starting a music career. But from what I have heard, his story is not the norm in the "sex industry".

Well I don't really know who this person is but when I hear about things like this it makes me sad. A young man like that could have went places in life, yet he was sucked into a system that is ran for nothing but profit. I hope he will some day find a way out before the drugs take over his life. There is a website somewhere that I saw once. It was dedicated to all the porn stars that died over the years and listed all of them and causes of death (if known). The majority of deaths of both male and female's included: drug overdose, suicide, homicide, and HIV/AIDS. Very few were from accidents or natural causes. Something is going on in that industry and it's not good. I still think it all goes back to how you feel about yourself, your self esteem, and the people you are around. There are some personality types that might be able to do this type of work without these issues, but for many it is too much. Think about most humans. There are all things in life that we view as private. Most people view their sex life as something that is private, yet very special to them and their wife (or other partner if they so choose.) Sex in porn is meaningless. You have just taken a large part of something that is very special and has deep meaning for many people and recorded it for the whole world to see.

When I hear about this stuff, I always think of my students and hope I can somehow make a difference when the time comes and they face these challenges in life. There is nothing more that hurts a teacher's feeling then when they see one of their students they worked so hard with go down the wrong path. I guess if I can just save one here and there I will have been successful. Many people will say my only job is to teach academics, but everyday I find myself guiding them on many things. When I find a "teachable moment" I take the time to connect my experiences in life to theirs so hopefully they can view me as a role model instead of all the negative, yet much more flashy, pop culture out there.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Well I don't really know who this person is, nor do I care, but it is sad. A young man like that could have went places in life, yet he was sucked into a system that is ran for nothing but profit. I hope he will some day find a way out before the drugs take over his life. There is a website somewhere that I saw once. It was dedicated to all the porn stars that died over the years and listed all of them and causes of death (if known). The majority of deaths of both male and female's included: drug overdose, suicide, homicide, and HIV/AIDS. Very few were from accidents or natural causes. Something is going on in that industry and it's not good. I still think it all goes back to how you feel about yourself, your self esteem, and the people you are around. There are some personality types that might be able to do this type of work without these issues, but for many it is too much. Think about most humans. There are all things in life that we view as private. Most people view their sex life as something that is private, yet very special to them and their wife (or other partner if they so choose.) Sex in porn is meaningless. You have just taken a large part of something that is very special and has deep meaning for many people and recorded it for the whole world to see.

I think the people who get into porn by choice at an older age, and aren't coerced, probably do OK. There's a guy here, who does it and is also quite visible publicly. He also works in a gay sports bar down the street and is part of band. Very friendly, nice guy and seems pretty intelligent. There's also Simon Rex, who started out in porn and was an MTV VJ and has been in several hollywood films. His career has been a bit haunted by it, he lost the MTV job, but it looks like he's making the best of it.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005350/

There is of course, so many bad things that have happened to people as well, no denying that. I'm not necessarily defending it. It's a risky thing to get involved in.
 
leekohler said:
I think the people who get into porn by choice at an older age, and aren't coerced, probably do OK. There's a guy here, who does it and is also quite visible publicly. He also works in a gay sports bar down the street and is part of band. Very friendly, nice guy and seems pretty intelligent. There's also Simon Rex, who started out in porn and I was an MTV VJ and has been in several hollywood films. His career has been a bit haunted by it, but it looks like he's making the best of it.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005350/

There is of course, so many bad things that have happened to people as well, no denying that. It's a risky thing to get involved in.

Ok I have seen that person on a movie before (non pornagraphic) and I am glad to see that things have worked out for him. Sad to say I am afraid that is not the norm however. I once watched a documentary about young ladies getting coerced into these over the top films doing things that involved pain and torture. They came forward against the porn industry and some of the things they discussed were quite shocking to me. Again, I must remind you that I live a sheltered life in the middle of cattle and corn country so things that might upset me would have no impact on someone else.

Not all pornographers are bad people and I totally respect freedom of speech and expression, meaning I DO NOT support banning porn, but I think that industry should be more regulated and should be held to a higher standard.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Ok I have seen that person on a movie before (non pornagraphic) and I am glad to see that things have worked out for him. Sad to say I am afraid that is not the norm. however. I once watched a documentary about young ladies getting coerced into these over the top films doing things that involved pain and torture. They came forward against the porn industry.

That was my point. I don't always express myself so well. :) And just so you know, I've appeared nude in films myself, though not porn. There was a reason for it.
 
I need to get out more so I can have stories to share...

I also need to stop lurking and post self-reflective one sentance posts.

Well it looks like I achieved that last one. This post is 4 sentances.
 
Guitarius said:
I need to get out more so I can have stories to share...

I also need to stop lurking and post self-reflective one sentance posts.

Well it looks like I achieved that last one. This post is 4 sentances.

Welcome back, Guitarius!
 
Guitarius said:
I need to get out more so I can have stories to share...

I also need to stop lurking and post self-reflective one sentance posts.

Well it looks like I achieved that last one. This post is 4 sentances.
Hey Dave, Just to be the usual bitch, it's only 3 sentences long. I'd assumed you'd be still getting over your birthday party. So, where have you been hiding?
Kevin
aka Grey Beard
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Well I don't really know who this person is but when I hear about things like this it makes me sad. A young man like that could have went places in life, yet he was sucked into a system that is ran for nothing but profit. I hope he will some day find a way out before the drugs take over his life. There is a website somewhere that I saw once. It was dedicated to all the porn stars that died over the years and listed all of them and causes of death (if known). The majority of deaths of both male and female's included: drug overdose, suicide, homicide, and HIV/AIDS. Very few were from accidents or natural causes. Something is going on in that industry and it's not good. I still think it all goes back to how you feel about yourself, your self esteem, and the people you are around. There are some personality types that might be able to do this type of work without these issues, but for many it is too much. Think about most humans. There are all things in life that we view as private. Most people view their sex life as something that is private, yet very special to them and their wife (or other partner if they so choose.) Sex in porn is meaningless. You have just taken a large part of something that is very special and has deep meaning for many people and recorded it for the whole world to see.

When I hear about this stuff, I always think of my students and hope I can somehow make a difference when the time comes and they face these challenges in life. There is nothing more that hurts a teacher's feeling then when they see one of their students they worked so hard with go down the wrong path. I guess if I can just save one here and there I will have been successful. Many people will say my only job is to teach academics, but everyday I find myself guiding them on many things. When I find a "teachable moment" I take the time to connect my experiences in life to theirs so hopefully they can view me as a role model instead of all the negative, yet much more flashy, pop culture out there.

Self esteem is an important part of the story.

Self esteem comes from both the family unit and social groups. I will be forever in debt to Coach Harrison (who died in tragic car accident so many years ago).

Weight loss has always been an issue for me in life. In JHS, I was 5'5" and weighed 240+ pounds. Gym class was never my "friend". How in the Hell does someone that is 240+ pounds get themselves up a fricking rope? Till I had Coach Harrison for gym, I was graded on how well I did on the tasks required.

Have you seen a 240+ pound JHS kid try to do the balance beam? Not pretty. :eek: In track and field I came in last - surprise there. :) Gym in JHs was so painful that I became violently ill before each class! This was before "common sense" took hold in realizing that mental health was as important as physical health.

A couple years down the road, I lost weight. Still not the "athlete" to get good grades in gym. Till I met Coach Harrison. I learned early on it was easier to get the "pain" out of the way in gym class. That meant being the first to "volunteer" to "demonstrate" the task at hand. To try and live through the jeers and catcalls. To Harrison's credit, he did not take these lightly. I remember my failing the the balance beam with the jeers and catcalls one day.

He halted the class and called us in to the locker room. He proceeded to tell the other guys that at least I had the guts to go out there and try. And that as long as one went out there and tried, they would get an A for effort. It was the first time that I had gotten an A in in a gym class.

It was because of him that I dropped to under 200#'s by graduation.

I also did substitute teaching for the first couple years or so in college. I was given notes by the teachers to watch out for so and so. One kid "performed" on cue of course. To make a long story short on him, it was his acting out that showed that he needed a more focused approach. I decided to give it to him, while I was at his school. He came up a full point and half in his grades. I think it was due to my wanting to give back to Coach Harrison, and his belief that helping one student make themselves better was a reward that would give back 10 fold.
 
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