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scem0 said:
Yeah, I don't think I'd tan if I could. I don't find tanned skin any sexier than untanned skin. But it annoys me that tanned skinned is percieved as being sexier, in general. Oh well._Emerson
On the sun tan aspect Emo, good advice to take care. My Mam spends a lot of time in the rose garden and has the skin cancer to prove it. I'm light skinned too, (Contary to the popular misconception that I'm a thick skinned insensitive bastard) and sun is contra indicated for one of my meds. I'm just as happy to stay indoors at galleries or cafes though. And the night was mine when I trolled the scene every damn night.
Kevin
aka Grey Beard
 
scem0 said:
I just got the iron on t-shirt transfer paper.

Any ideas for potential designs, anyone?

I'll probably post some possibilities and see what y'all think :).

_Emerson
' No one needs more than six inches out of life '
' For attention please tweek a nipple '
Kevin,
aka Grey Beard
 
I would say this thread is bordering on bad taste but it's way past that, from what I've seen lately. I don't want to end anyone's fun but sometimes, things are better left in private. I'm not going to be graphic because that's already been done.

Perhaps, you should start to treat these forums as you would your grandmother. She doesn't want to know everything you do.
 
Bad taste? The gay thread is getting a bad rap. I don't see why. I've seen threads here with more overtly sexual innuendo in them or gross comments, and no warnings from Mods. Looks like this topic's days are numbered.
 
MontyZ said:
Bad taste? The gay thread is getting a bad rap. I don't see why. I've seen threads here with more overtly sexual innuendo in them or gross comments, and no warnings from Mods. Looks like this topic's days are numbered.
Yes, bad taste. Everyone doesn't need to know every detail of nights out etc.
 
Not trying fan the fire here (thought about using the word "flames" - but knew where that would go :) ), but the mods have now indicated some concern about the tone of this thread.

I wonder what posts have caused a concern. The only ones that I can think of were iAlan's creative editing of emo's posts. But those were done in satire, and did bring a smile to my face when reading it.

bousozoku said, "Perhaps, you should start to treat these forums as you would your grandmother. She doesn't want to know everything you do.". And edesignuk added, "Yes, bad taste. Everyone doesn't need to know every detail of nights out etc.".

With their comments, I am making an assumption that emo's dancing adventures are offending some lurkers on this thread. But without plowing through past posts here to see what has been edited or deleted, we are second guessing the mods here. Because of the playful (and careful IMO) posts, almost from the beginning, we need to hear more directly (without being "graphic" as bousozoku had said) as to the posts that brought two mods in.

For this thread has been fun, informative, and supportive. I and many others would hate to see it closed or wastelanded.

That being said. I would be more than willing to use my .Mac account to host the MR GayWay - Uncensored (as much as Apple would allow under their rules, haven't read the TOS) on my .Mac groups option. For I do believe that many of us here hold back on our words in order to try and keep MR peace.

Just some thoughts.
 
I don't mean to fan any flames either, but I feel it is important to give some other people some insight into why this thread is the way it is.

edesignuk said:
Yes, bad taste. Everyone doesn't need to know every detail of nights out etc.
And nobody's forcing anybody to read such things.

Personally, I've posted my adventures because, being new to the gay scene, and being fresh out of the closet, it's helpful for me to have the perspective of other gay men on what I do. Plus, I think some people have a bit of interest invested in my outings since I've started posting.

bousozoku said:
Perhaps, you should start to treat these forums as you would your grandmother. She doesn't want to know everything you do.

Why in the world should I treat the friendships I've formed in this thread like the relationship I have with my grandmother? That just doesn't make sense to me, and the relationships I've formed could not be any more different than the ones I have with either of my grandmothers.

I've told all my new friends that I've made since moving to NYC all the stories I've told on here (which are now on my blog, see sig), and I don't plan on hiding such stories anymore. I've done absolutely nothing wrong according to my own moral standards. If another person takes issue with the things that I've done, or even with my sexual orientation in general, the ball is in their court and it's not my problem. There are things I've done since coming to New York that I wouldn't do again (namely, the infamous night of getting Splashed at Splash), but I don't regret any of my actions. Your experiences teach you very important things. I share my experiences here because I no longer have anything to hide from any of my friends and I like it that way. The people in this thread are my friends, and it's just that simple.

_Emerson
 
I've been checking this thread periodically over the past 3 weeks. It's gone from bad to worse.

A lot of things, straight or gay, don't need to be said in anything thread on these forums.

It's within a moment of being closed and all such threads being off-limits.
 
scem0 said:
I don't mean to fan any flames either, but I feel it is important to give some other people some insight into why this thread is the way it is.


And nobody's forcing anybody to read such things.

Personally, I've posted my adventures because, being new to the gay scene, and being fresh out of the closet, it's helpful for me to have the perspective of other gay men on what I do. Plus, I think some people have a bit of interest invested in my outings since I've started posting.



Why in the world should I treat the friendships I've formed in this thread like the relationship I have with my grandmother? That just doesn't make sense to me, and the relationships I've formed could not be any more different than the ones I have with either of my grandmothers.

I've told all my new friends that I've made since moving to NYC all the stories I've told on here (which are now on my blog, see sig), and I don't plan on hiding such stories anymore. I've done absolutely nothing wrong according to my own moral standards. If another person takes issue with the things that I've done, or even with my sexual orientation in general, the ball is in their court and it's not my problem. There are things I've done since coming to New York that I wouldn't do again (namely, the infamous night of getting Splashed at Splash), but I don't regret any of my actions. Your experiences teach you very important things. I share my experiences here because I no longer have anything to hide from any of my friends and I like it that way. The people in this thread are my friends, and it's just that simple.

_Emerson

Don't share these graphic experiences here. It's just that simple.
 
bousozoku said:
I've been checking this thread periodically over the past 3 weeks. It's gone from bad to worse.

A lot of things, straight or gay, don't need to be said in anything thread on these forums.

It's within a moment of being closed and all such threads being off-limits.

It's hard to respect such instructions (But I will if it is necessary) when no reasons or explanations are given. Is it because young people might be reading these posts? Do you consider me a bad role model?

Why are y'all so concerned about whether or not we stay proper and civilized?

To be honest, I really wish this thread was active a year ago when I was in highschool, closeted and going crazy because I was so lonely. I can't stress enough how much this thread would have helped me.

It has helped others much more than myself though. Check out some of the emotional posts from Chip (Chip NoVaMac) and Kevin (Grey Beard), they needed this thread as an outlet. Who knows who will need it in the future.

_Emerson
 
scem0 said:
It's hard to respect such instructions (But I will if it is necessary) when no reasons or explanations are given. Is it because young people might be reading these posts? Do you consider me a bad role model?

Why are y'all so concerned about whether or not we stay proper and civilized?

To be honest, I really wish this thread was active a year ago when I was in highschool, closeted and going crazy because I was so lonely. I can't stress enough how much this thread would have helped me.

It has helped others much more than myself though. Check out some of the emotional posts from Chip (Chip NoVaMac) and Kevin (Grey Beard), they needed this thread as an outlet. Who knows who will need it in the future.

_Emerson

I'm not against the thread. I'm against the very graphic nature of the recent posts, most of which are yours. I'm glad the thread has helped you. I think you should tell your friends, but MacRumors is not a place to tell everything about your encounters.

If your moral code tells you that telling everything in a public place is okay, then you should re-evaluate it.
 
bousozoku said:
It's within a moment of being closed and all such threads being off-limits.
edesignuk and bousokoku, I've only been posting here since 9/11 this year, and perhaps that's auspicious. During this time I've made several good friends and they've helped me come to terms on many facets of my past. I've also been aided and abetted in some future directions that I shall be taking. For this I am greatful both to MR and those posters who have shared their time and opinions. I am not saying I agree with everything I've read, that would be plain stupid. But what I've taken on board is damned important to me.

Through this list I've come to terms with the suicide of my buddy and the deaths of many more. I sincerely hope that the comments I have made, may have aided (no pun) others. While I've only implied it to date, I've serious health concerns, and it's only that the devil looks after his own that I kept on at it. While I'm still seeing specialists and don't have a date carved in stone, it seems that my 'problem' does not yet have a cure and yes it is terminal.

I was hoping that this thread would be there when I need it. It seems that this may not be the case, then sobeit. I, for one will be very sorry to see it's demise, but I've coped so far with losses throughout my life, and I guess that I still will. Nonetheless it will be a sad day for MR as after all what are threads without posters, or posters without threads.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard
 
Grey Beard said:
edesignuk and bousokoku, I've only been posting here since 9/11 this year, and perhaps that's auspicious. During this time I've made several good friends and they've helped me come to terms on many facets of my past. I've also been aided and abetted in some future directions that I shall be taking. For this I am greatful both to MR and those posters who have shared their time and opinions. I am not saying I agree with everything I've read, that would be plain stupid. But what I've taken on board is damned important to me.

Through this list I've come to terms with the suicide of my buddy and the deaths of many more. I sincerely hope that the comments I have made, may have aided (no pun) others. While I've only implied it to date, I've serious health concerns, and it's only that the devil looks after his own that I kept on at it. While I'm still seeing specialists and don't have a date carved in stone, it seems that my 'problem' does not yet have a cure and yes it is terminal.

I was hoping that this thread would be there when I need it. It seems that this may not be the case, then sobeit. I, for one will be very sorry to see it's demise, but I've coped so far with losses throughout my life, and I guess that I still will. Nonetheless it will be a sad day for MR as after all what are threads without posters, or posters without threads.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard

I'm sorry to hear of your condition and I can only hope that you can recover your health. ::hugs::

I'm glad that the thread has been of use to so many and I don't want to stop the thread. It's just that it needs to be done in such a way that your grandmother wouldn't be totally shocked to read it. She can be a hip grandmother who is fine with gay guys. :)
 
Grey Beard said:
edesignuk and bousokoku, I've only been posting here since 9/11 this year, and perhaps that's auspicious. During this time I've made several good friends and they've helped me come to terms on many facets of my past. I've also been aided and abetted in some future directions that I shall be taking. For this I am greatful both to MR and those posters who have shared their time and opinions. I am not saying I agree with everything I've read, that would be plain stupid. But what I've taken on board is damned important to me.

Through this list I've come to terms with the suicide of my buddy and the deaths of many more. I sincerely hope that the comments I have made, may have aided (no pun) others. While I've only implied it to date, I've serious health concerns, and it's only that the devil looks after his own that I kept on at it. While I'm still seeing specialists and don't have a date carved in stone, it seems that my 'problem' does not yet have a cure and yes it is terminal.

I was hoping that this thread would be there when I need it. It seems that this may not be the case, then sobeit. I, for one will be very sorry to see it's demise, but I've coped so far with losses throughout my life, and I guess that I still will. Nonetheless it will be a sad day for MR as after all what are threads without posters, or posters without threads.

Kevin
aka Grey Beard

grey, if I understand the concerns of the mods; you would not be prevented from posting a new thread to let us know how things are going. And to have our support.
 
I'll stop posting graphic things for the sake of the children who may or may not view this thread, but I don't think anybody who has read or will read this thread is having their innocence stolen. People lose their innocence long before they join these kinds of forums.

But I could care less about something being granny-safe. For me, only young children shouldn't read through this thread. And by young children I mean 11 and under. How many 11 year olds are active here? Not many... A grandmother should be wise enough to know that reality isn't peachy-keen and is far from proper. The only reason I don't tell my grandmothers about my outings is because they don't ask. If they get peace of mind by creating their own reality of what I am, then I won't take that away from them.

_Emerson
 
scem0 said:
I'll stop posting graphic things for the sake of the children who may or may not view this thread, but I don't think anybody who has read or will read this thread is having their innocence stolen. People lose their innocence long before they join these kinds of forums.

_Emerson

13 year olds hopefully won't have lost their innocence, although that's debateable in the current climate.
 
slooksterPSV said:
Please don't close this thread! Everyone, remove the "Graphic Nature" that you've put on here. I love this thread, it's the biggest one I've seen on MR.

That might be a good idea, if a little late. :D
 
slooksterPSV said:
Please don't close this thread! Everyone, remove the "Graphic Nature" that you've put on here. I love this thread, it's the biggest one I've seen on MR.
SlooksterPSV,
Somewhat emboldened, and with my foot in my mouth (that's one fetish y'all didn't know about) I thought you and I were to keep it clean. He he he.
Kevin
aka Grey Beard
Keep it Clean,Keep it Green
 
scem0 said:
I'll stop posting graphic things for the sake of the children who may or may not view this thread, but I don't think anybody who has read or will read this thread is having their innocence stolen. People lose their innocence long before they join these kinds of forums.

But I could care less about something being granny-safe. For me, only young children shouldn't read through this thread. And by young children I mean 11 and under. How many 11 year olds are active here? Not many... A grandmother should be wise enough to know that reality isn't peachy-keen and is far from proper. The only reason I don't tell my grandmothers about my outings is because they don't ask. If they get peace of mind by creating their own reality of what I am, then I won't take that away from them.

_Emerson

Emerson, I don't think that it is this thread specifically. It seems to be a trend that people are going beyond the bounds of decency in many threads.

Saying that you met up with a cute guy at a club is OK; but going in to details is causing problems. Much like I think a thread about Keira(sp?) talking in detail about her assets may now be a problem.
 
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